# First Day of School Mix.....NOT GOOD. **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 2, 2008, 6:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-of-school-mix-not-good/18699 "2008-09-02T18:38:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 8:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-of-school-mix-not-good/18699/21 "2008-09-10T20:54:09Z")
I suppose you have done so, but try to stay low on any product first, and try them only one at a time until you understand perfectly what does it do to you and others, and your sweet point on dose… maybe one of those products in high doses or a combination is giving you an undesired effect… I, for example, get so fooled with high levels of -ols that i speak a little worse than normally, people doesn’t normally notice it but I do so, and that lowers your self esteem and so you tend to do things not properly. That bad-feedback is what I tend to avoid not using lots of -ols, or at least using b-Androstenol that I can stand much more of it 🙂. It’s stated here that a-Androstenol in high doses does not have bad effects normally, well that’s one for me 😉, same happens with every product, I prefer to kwow them sepparately and in what doses have what effect… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 12:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-of-school-mix-not-good/18699/22 "2008-09-11T00:07:15Z")
Yeah IDK… I think it’s just that signature IMO. When I first joined this forum, I was after this Latina chick. Summer has passed, and this year she is in one of my classes (unfortunately, it’s a class with upwards towards 50 friends, and like all her best friends are in her class) and, what can I say, she just got HOTTER. IDK if it’s just me or it’s the A314, but when she passes me in the hallways, she’s just like “Oh, hey John” with no enthusiasm. After reading Snook’s notes, I think I may get CTTM, and mix it with Instant Shine and [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/). I also wanted to add some IG. I may put it in a small sample atomizer to carry with me to school. Thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 12:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-of-school-mix-not-good/18699/23 "2008-09-11T00:19:21Z")
> [@lakerman34](#): > > Yeah IDK… > I think it’s just that signature IMO. > > When I first joined this forum, I was after this Latina chick. Summer has passed, and this year she is in one of my classes (unfortunately, it’s a class with upwards towards 50 friends, and like all her best friends are in her class) and, what can I say, she just got HOTTER. > > IDK if it’s just me or it’s the A314, but when she passes me in the hallways, she’s just like “Oh, hey John” with no enthusiasm. > > After reading Snook’s notes, I think I may get CTTM, and mix it with Instant Shine and Instant Openness. I also wanted to add some Instant Gentleman. I may put it in a small sample atomizer to carry with me to school. > > Thoughts? I don’t know your story with that latina, but saying “hey john” is more than not saying anything 😉. Girls here do not have any problem in not greeting you if they are not interested, or at least so they were when I was your age. 😉 IMO if you use A314, stay away of Ammo 'cos more -none would do no good for attracting girls around 17, I’d use one spray of Ammo, alone and see what happens, go up with the dose if you feel it’s allright. A good product for your age is [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/), too, instead of A314, also try and see what happens if you do not use so high doses of -ols and TAA 🙂, and try not mixing until you find what’s happening with those pheros separately in that concrete situation. Just an opinion! 😃 Please keep us informed! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 12:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-of-school-mix-not-good/18699/24 "2008-09-11T00:32:10Z")
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention as well [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) in that mix. Maybe I should just stick with my Instant Shine 2X instead of using the 4x?? With IFM, I would almost have to use it with IO and IS so I don’t feel depressed, and so other guys don’t feel depressed being near me. I believe she said ‘hey’ because I was staring right at her coming down the hallway LOL. So, tomorrow I’ll bring the IG in an atomizer and I’ll re-apply during lunch. ONLY IG tomorrow, 2 sprays right on the chest, sound good? Thing is, if I’m targeting one Latina chick, I have to beware of the consequences I think. They can handle some Ammo, but white girls can’t, so I’m really risking A LOT wearing Ammo IMO. But, then again, the classes I’m taking this year, sadly, she’s the only hot girl I come in close proximity with. IDK why, they stuck me with all underclassmen this yr. 😠 ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 12:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-of-school-mix-not-good/18699/25 "2008-09-11T00:39:39Z")
If you don’t wear A314 I think you can stand 2.5mcg of well balanced -none in one spray of Ammo. But do not use both. BTW I have noticed some strange effects when combining A314 and [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/), keep simple at first during some days until you are able to add more components one by one and start mixing. That advice has been stated in this forum lots of times for this cases, I have experimented it and must say it’s a very good piece of advice 🙂. Anyway as people say here, if you want people to talk you more than ususal, A314 is not the product to use. ---
**Author:** ![Tenant](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tenant/32/1668_2.png) [@Tenant](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tenant)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 12:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-of-school-mix-not-good/18699/26 "2008-09-11T00:51:27Z")
Pheromonal effects are not black and white either. There is a spectrum, a continuum of pheromone effects because pheromones must be balanced against other factors. If this latina chick is as hot as you say, she might have a high opinion of herself and think so too. The pheromones must then balance against her own “i’m hot shit” self-perception leaving you with a “Hi John,” as opposed to a “Hi John” + wink + assgrab. ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 2:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-of-school-mix-not-good/18699/27 "2008-09-11T02:04:40Z")
I like all the advice I’m getting guys, thank you. Does it do anything to the product if I transfer it with an eye dropper from the consumer bottles into a smaller container so I can re-apply at school?? So tomorrow: 2 sprays [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) on the neck, 1 spray Ammo to the chest (leave at home), and 1 spray Instant Openness 2X. VERY simple. I’ll bring in the IG in a smaller bottle, and the IO TO-GO to school so I can re-apply. Sound good? Also, just purchased CTTM 2 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 2:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-of-school-mix-not-good/18699/28 "2008-09-11T02:24:55Z")
> [@lakerman34](#): > > I like all the advice I’m getting guys, thank you. > > Does it do anything to the product if I transfer it with an eye dropper from the consumer bottles into a smaller container so I can re-apply at school?? > > So tomorrow: 2 sprays Instant Gentleman on the neck, 1 spray Ammo to the chest (leave at home), and 1 spray Instant Openness 2X. VERY simple. I’ll bring in the Instant Gentleman in a smaller bottle, and the Instant Openness TO-GO to school so I can re-apply. Sound good? > > Also, just purchased CTTM 2 🙂 IMHO it’s too much -rone (IG+Ammo) for young people and specially if your objective is being talked 😉. I’d try without the [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/), or changing it by a little TAA, but it’s up to you! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 2:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-of-school-mix-not-good/18699/29 "2008-09-11T02:37:09Z")
Yeah I think I’m going to try the tip I got a while back. 1 spray of Ammo on the cotton ball and dab. I also found [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) works great for me, probably works better than any other product for me, but I don’t think it suits the situation. ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 2:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-of-school-mix-not-good/18699/30 "2008-09-11T02:52:15Z")
> [@lakerman34](#): > > Yeah I think I’m going to try the tip I got a while back. 1 spray of Ammo on the cotton ball and dab. > > I also found Instant Honesty works great for me, probably works better than any other product for me, but I don’t think it suits the situation. By the way, I use to-go bottles for renew my phero sig, I spray from the full bottle to the to-go and carry the to-go away… there is no problem with spraying in another bottle, besides that one spray of a to-go is a little less quantity that a full-bottle spray. [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) is one of the greatest products in here IMO 😉, it might suit the situation, theorically it’s better Instant Openess but, for example i’d use IH, because prefer the kind of conversation given by b-nols than the babbling that produces a-nols, without contempling the strange effects when I use high a-nol doses. ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 6:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-of-school-mix-not-good/18699/31 "2008-09-11T18:13:35Z")
Good news, I guess, but I might just be taking it for more than it’s worth. This morning, I did dab on some Ammo, put on 2 sprays of IG and 1 of IO 2X, and re-applied the IG and IO during lunch. That girl was staring at me (I think it was me, could have been the other Latino kid in the class, good looking kid, who sits next me) for much of the class. Could be wrong though. At the end of the class, I playfully started like punching her arm and she said “you think you’re tough?” and punched me back. It looked like she turned away, but then it SEEMED like she was trying to walk next to me out the door (once again, could be wrong). HOWEVER, her friends interfered, so I kept walking and she went to talk to her friends. I still do think my sig. needs SOME adjusting, but overall, I think this sig was a little better. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2008, 6:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-of-school-mix-not-good/18699/32 "2008-09-11T18:24:36Z")
I think your phero sig is just fine, but you may want to consider finding your sweetspots with each product. If anything, what happened after stepping out of class? Did she punch you back in a playful manner or in an annoyed manner? Was it that impossible to get past her friends? Think Dave Chappelle in The Greatest Moments in Hook-Ups, he dodges, dips, ducks, dives…and dodges to get where he wants to be. What was the point of punching her in the arm? To get her attention? Well, you got it, so whatcha gonna do with it? I don’t think you’re taking it for more than it’s worth, and I don’t think you had to biggest hit in the world, but I do think you had an opening if it is how you thought it was. ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2008, 6:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-of-school-mix-not-good/18699/33 "2008-09-12T18:41:45Z")
Ahhh…it’s just her friends. The girls like me, the guys not so much (they are all drama geeks, and I’m the oddball cuz I’m “The Jock.”) Way I see it, I got all year til Senior Ball to get her. I should have at least SOME encounters with her. One of her best friends is on my team in one of my classes, and we are all supposed to hang out sometimes (it’s mandatory for the class). I think, when it comes time, she could be helpful in getting her friend 🙂 The Latina has a rep for not being the dating type, but who DOESN’T want a date to Senior Ball? ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2008, 7:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-of-school-mix-not-good/18699/34 "2008-09-12T19:03:46Z")
Wait for senior ball, if you like, but I wouldn’t. Not after having gone through the experience of a hottie snatched up before I could go for it. When you have the chance, take it. Oh and with the drama geeks, just be chill and friendly with them, if they give you a hard time, they’ll just look like dicks. It’s the same thing you do when approaching a cheerleader surrounded by jocks. In the end it’s just ‘males protecting their females’ behavior.. ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 11:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-of-school-mix-not-good/18699/35 "2008-09-15T23:36:28Z")
So, my interests have shifted recently 🙂 In my humanities class, we were put into groups of 4, 2guys and 2 girls per group. THERE IS A GOD, the cutest girl in the class was put in my group, and it is REQUIRED to have team time outside of school. To make matters even better, the other guy couldn’t attend at the last moment. So, the 2 girls came to my house. I was wearing IG and [MX203](https://a314.com/product/mx203/). I CAUGHT the cute girl checking me out, SO obvious. She has a “boyfriend,” if you can call it that. They barely even see each other! Ironically, this girl is in that triangle. The girl I took to prom, the Latina girl that I think is probably the sexiest girl in the school, and this girl are all like best friends! The plot thickens… ---
**Author:** ![tfer15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfer15/32/711_2.png) [@tfer15](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfer15)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 1:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-of-school-mix-not-good/18699/36 "2008-09-16T01:47:12Z")
Pretty intense dude ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 9:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-of-school-mix-not-good/18699/37 "2008-09-17T21:07:53Z")
i told a mutual friend of mine that i thought the dominican girl was hot, and it happened that i was looking over at her at one time in class, and he caught me, and he said something to her then and there, im PRETTY sure he told her that i think shes hot, which i really hope he didn’t do. didnt approach the kid on the manner though. the next day, i went to the water fountain, and she came after me to “fill up her water bottle” (I like to think that was an excuse she was making to just talk to me, 😉 probs not tho) I actually kinda froze up. she asked how i was i said fine, how r u, good, how was ur summer, it was fine, lots of work, yeah i worked a lot too, i didnt make a lotta eye contact. IDK y, i choked guys!! ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 9:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-of-school-mix-not-good/18699/38 "2008-09-17T21:43:23Z")
It happens man. Just sack up and try it again..and again..and again..How’s that Nike slogan go? I say this as someone who has choked in the same way. 🙂 Good Luck, but you won’t need it. ---
**Author:** ![ntk23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/65b543/32.png) [@ntk23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ntk23)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 9:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-of-school-mix-not-good/18699/39 "2008-09-17T21:50:22Z")
> [@lakerman34](#): > > i told a mutual friend of mine that i thought the dominican girl was hot, and it happened that i was looking over at her at one time in class, and he caught me, and he said something to her then and there, im PRETTY sure he told her that i think shes hot, which i really hope he didn’t do. didnt approach the kid on the manner though. > > the next day, i went to the water fountain, and she came after me to “fill up her water bottle” (I like to think that was an excuse she was making to just talk to me, 😉 probs not tho) I actually kinda froze up. she asked how i was i said fine, how r u, good, how was ur summer, it was fine, lots of work, yeah i worked a lot too, i didnt make a lotta eye contact. IDK y, i choked guys!! If you are pretty sure your friend tipped the girl off, and she still followed you to the water fountain, I would be inclined to believe it was an IOI myself. And I wouldn’t worry too much about “choking”. If all bets were off the minute a guy went a bit shy in front of a woman, then the human race would probably die out due to lack of procreation 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 6:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-of-school-mix-not-good/18699/40 "2008-09-18T18:33:01Z")
> [@ntk23](#): > > If you are pretty sure your friend tipped the girl off, and she still followed you to the water fountain, I would be inclined to believe it was an IOI myself. And I wouldn’t worry too much about “choking”. If all bets were off the minute a guy went a bit shy in front of a woman, then the human race would probably die out due to lack of procreation 🙂 AHHH…well, I don’t think she’s interested. I have to ALWAYS approach her to talk, and it seems that she wants to keep the convo as short as possible. Just wants to “talk with her friends.” In my humanities group, as I said, her best friend sits in front of me, and she’s the most adorable girl in the world. Kinda weird, but so cute. I flirted A LIL bit with her today, it seems that she took it well, but then, between periods, she started talking to her friends about her boyfriend RIGHT in front of my desk, and how they were gonna hang out this weekend, and all her friends were like “AWWWWWW do we get to meet him?” I think it is her first relationship, so I’m just hoping it doesn’t last, or she’ll just eventually come to me (the kid is from another school district). Also, she was saying how she was his date to his sisters BatMitzvah, how they were going to go to each other’s homecoming dances, and all that. Just a little disheartening. I’m MUCH more confident in front of her than the Dominican chick, so in the meanwhile, pretend that I’m not ENTIRELY interested, but work my charm. This Sunday, the 2 girls, the other dude, and I are going to meet to finish a project, so I’m banking on these lil meetings, going EXACTLY by the book (by that I mean, “The Mystery Method”). I’ve been teasing her a bit, she’s been teasing me a bit, I’ve been throwing A LIL seduction in there, today I was playfully taking my pencil and playing with her hair. If she is somehow still dating that kid from the other school (he’s a year younger, and looks 10, has friggin lion’s mane) in 2 months, I’m going to move on. I think it’s best, with the Dominican girl, just to put her on hold. I’ll keep y’all posted. OH and BTW, 2 [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) 2X TO GO, 2 IG, 1 IS 4X. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-of-school-mix-not-good/18699.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-of-school-mix-not-good/18699.md?page=3)