# First day on A314 with 5 drops and no results: advice on dosing and approach **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 7, 2008, 4:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-on-a314-with-5-drops-and-no-results-advice-on-dosing-and-approach/17096 "2008-08-07T16:40:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![baba\_maal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed655f/32.png) [@baba\_maal](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/baba_maal)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 4:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-on-a314-with-5-drops-and-no-results-advice-on-dosing-and-approach/17096/1 "2008-08-07T16:40:02Z")
It was my first experience with [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) product…before trying hands on kind of product i was actually expecting a miracle. Today first time ever i wore A314 … after taking my bath i wore 1st drop on my right wrist beneath, 2nd drop on left wrist applied same area and gently rubbed both wrist together. 3rd drop on front neck above shoulder and 1 drop on each behind the ear. so total 5 drops i wore today. Result was Zero!! nothing happened, Even i didn’t notice any hits or waves while i was trevling in metro train the whole journy went as usual just boring. But i wore A314 for maintaining relationship in office but there too nothing happened.Today i was expecting meeting with my female boss that too could not happened and when MD of company came to my cabin i’ve notice his face was unhappy even he didn;t said any “hello” and went back to his office …just for once he saw me and ignored badly ☹ Did i make any mistake using A314? or it never works for the first time? Welcome your suggestions. Regards Suresh (Baba maal is just a ID not my Name…Baba Maal is a folk singer who has sung and been featured in many movies like Black Hawk dawn etc ) ---
**Author:** ![Tenant](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tenant/32/1668_2.png) [@Tenant](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tenant)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 6:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-on-a314-with-5-drops-and-no-results-advice-on-dosing-and-approach/17096/2 "2008-08-07T18:16:26Z")
First, read this: > [@What pheromones can and can't do: realistic expectations for newcomers](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-pheromones-can-do-and-what-they-cant-updated/9558): > > A lot of people come in to the forum and read all the wonderful stories about peoples experiences with [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/). New people end up trying them out with high expectations and usually as they get to know the product those expectations are met to some extent and sometimes not because there expectations were to high But I think its best for people to have a realistic view on what exactly they can and can not do. I get a lot of PM’s from people asking me why "they couldn’t get there cheati… Possible OD-Ghosting, try two drops then go from there. One drop between the wrists, then one on your neck where you can feel your pulse. Also, A314 will generally not bring people to you, you must still engage with people. Thus on the metro, it’s not surprising that no one gave you any attention. Next time if you’re sitting next to someone, strike up some random fluff. Also, the person you said who saw you, then “ignored you badly.” His quick departure from your presence might have been caused by A314. ---
**Author:** ![Robbie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2acd7d/32.png) [@Robbie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Robbie)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 6:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-on-a314-with-5-drops-and-no-results-advice-on-dosing-and-approach/17096/3 "2008-08-07T18:20:14Z")
Five drops seems like a lot to me, how old are you? A314 may make people back off a bit, you’ve got to do the approaching when you wear that stuff. From Trish’s Men’s [Pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) guide: "It ups your status, give you a alpha aura, people treat you with more respect and trust, they tend to look up to you more and bend over backwards to please you. **Whats hard about it… a lot of people are intimidated by the alpha aura so sometimes it can bring your approachability down.** You may have to give cues or initiate the conversation with this one. Ahhh but once you do you will see the power behind A314." To me, it sounds like the A314 worked as described, you just need to get a better handle on how to use it. Hope that helps… ---
**Author:** ![baba\_maal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed655f/32.png) [@baba\_maal](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/baba_maal)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 6:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-on-a314-with-5-drops-and-no-results-advice-on-dosing-and-approach/17096/4 "2008-08-07T18:26:39Z")
[quote=“Robbie, post:3, topic:17096”] Five drops seems like a lot to me, how old are you? A314 may make people back off a bit, you’ve got to do the approaching when you wear that stuff. I am 30 year old guy. i applied drops on that body part which were mentioned on the site. like neck, both wrist and behind ears. what cause A314 that started giving negative result is Overdose? Then how many drops are sufficient for new user at my age? ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 6:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-on-a314-with-5-drops-and-no-results-advice-on-dosing-and-approach/17096/5 "2008-08-07T18:44:12Z")
> [@baba\_maal](#): > > Then how many drops are sufficient for new user at my age? I would start with 2 drops. One on neck and one split between wrists. I’m twice your age and only use 3. ---
**Author:** ![Robbie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2acd7d/32.png) [@Robbie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Robbie)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 6:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-on-a314-with-5-drops-and-no-results-advice-on-dosing-and-approach/17096/6 "2008-08-07T18:49:30Z")
It’s probably not a negative reaction, as I copied from Tisha’s guide, you may have made yourself SUPER unapproachable (that’s a guess on my part, tho). Everyone’s different, so maybe 5 drops is great for you, but for me, I think I’m good at just 2-3 drops and I’m almost 20 years older (less natural pheros as we age). But it’s not just how many pheros you pour onto yourself, it also matters what you bring to the table personality-wise. When you wear A314, you have to be prepared to be the person who does the approaching-- that’s what an Alpha male does. He doesn’t hide in the corner waiting for everyone to approach him. Maybe what would suit your personality better would be to invest in some [Come Talk To Me](https://a314.com/product/come-talk-to-me-cttm/) instead of A314? It sounds like you prefer to be approached and not be the approacher… And you could layer the two (A314+CTTM) to see how that works for you. For that matter, any of the social pheros would help soften the approachability factor. Just a thought… ---
**Author:** ![Adam\_Alpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Adam\_Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Adam_Alpha)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 6:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-on-a314-with-5-drops-and-no-results-advice-on-dosing-and-approach/17096/7 "2008-08-07T18:55:32Z")
The boss ignoring you is probably actually a hit. Too much alpha aura will intimidate some men. With pheros, you have to match your attitude to the signal you are giving off. So if you were riding the metro with anything less than an “I am the man” attitude, you were selling the A314 short. Keep experimenting! Adam ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 7:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-on-a314-with-5-drops-and-no-results-advice-on-dosing-and-approach/17096/8 "2008-08-07T19:04:13Z")
Heck I’m 40 and most of the time I wont go above 2 drops. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 7:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-on-a314-with-5-drops-and-no-results-advice-on-dosing-and-approach/17096/9 "2008-08-07T19:18:55Z")
Unless you don some serious social mones to counter the badass, the more A314 you wear, the less people like you! I think you got hits in the form of being ignored and being perceived as uninviting or unapproachable. You should always start with lower doses and work your way up. ---
**Author:** ![Badgered](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5daacb/32.png) [@Badgered](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Badgered)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 8:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-on-a314-with-5-drops-and-no-results-advice-on-dosing-and-approach/17096/10 "2008-08-07T20:27:37Z")
Yesterday: 2 x A314 split behind ears and wrists 1 x IO togo on forarms 1 x IH togo on chest 1 x togo IS back of neck feeling: Large and in charge. Pulled over for traffic infringement. Cop was really nice to me, and let me go without really warning me. Could have given me a ticket. I was super polite, respectful, and calm. First day with A314 - coincidence? The other stuff was for social buffers. ---
**Author:** ![chicagokid1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/53a042/32.png) [@chicagokid1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chicagokid1)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 9:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-on-a314-with-5-drops-and-no-results-advice-on-dosing-and-approach/17096/11 "2008-08-07T21:09:54Z")
I agree try 1 or 2 drops at first, dont expect miracles either. Hits are subtle but they happen too often to be coincidence. I think everyone gets there pack in the mail, and is so exited to try, that they often od then dont get the results they want. I get plenty of attention at 1 or 2 drops daily, I have never even thought of going over that(im satisfied at that dose and dont want to intimidate people). ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 11:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-on-a314-with-5-drops-and-no-results-advice-on-dosing-and-approach/17096/12 "2008-08-07T23:30:30Z")
The guys are right, Your wore to much, start with one or two drops. Wrists… I personally dont like them for mone applications. Go higher like your neck pulse points. Women dont want to bury there nose in your wrist. You do have pulse points on your wrist but we are going for strong reactions so you can see what the product does. A314 doesn’t increase attraction as much as it increases respect and your status. You need to make the move with this one. I explained this in your intro. Hits from strangers with this one look something like, More respect, people are more accommodating, they treat you as if your in a position of authority, you will even encounter a few ass kissers. Quick repeated glances, staring, Generally they are waiting for a Que from the Alpha male (you) that it is alright to approach. Make eye contact, smile, appear approachable. From those you know and have a comfort level with you already attraction and attention can increase as well. Keep in mind it takes some practice to get mones working to there best effectiveness. Dont get discouraged. If you wear them they will come 😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Baldman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/baldman/32/2015_2.png) [@Baldman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Baldman)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 7:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-on-a314-with-5-drops-and-no-results-advice-on-dosing-and-approach/17096/13 "2008-08-08T07:36:33Z")
I’ve found [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) is the best for instant results. Its strong and has the buffers needed for newer users. A314 + Ammo… Wowzers. Great mix that I have had ALOT of success with. But you need to have some experience under your belt in knowing what they do and how to best work with the results. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_ray](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smiling_ray/32/1314_2.png) [@smiling\_ray](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smiling_ray)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 10:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-on-a314-with-5-drops-and-no-results-advice-on-dosing-and-approach/17096/14 "2008-08-08T10:03:07Z")
If I was you, I would start off with one drop first, and use only one drop for one week and look at the reactions of people, both strangers and familiars. I think you also have to change your posture(standing erect and tall), smile 🙂 , and uncross all arms and legs. ---
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 10:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-on-a314-with-5-drops-and-no-results-advice-on-dosing-and-approach/17096/15 "2008-08-08T10:11:20Z")
Its strange… When i first started using A314 5 drops ware too much for me, 5 drops and everybody runs away 🙂 Everyone was scared to talk to me. Now 1 year later i am using 4-5 drops daily. 4 in the morning and 4 in the afternoon. Sometimes 4 more at night. With this usage i am verry happy with the results. But… thats 1 bottle each month. My last bottle from July 3, 2008 is all out. Just ordered 15ml.. hope this could last for 2 monts at least 🙂 androtics have to come up with with 30ml bottle soon 😛 ---
**Author:** ![baba\_maal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed655f/32.png) [@baba\_maal](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/baba_maal)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 6:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-on-a314-with-5-drops-and-no-results-advice-on-dosing-and-approach/17096/16 "2008-08-08T18:56:22Z")
> [@Robbie](#): > > It’s probably not a negative reaction, as I copied from Tisha’s guide, you may have made yourself SUPER unapproachable (that’s a guess on my part, tho). Everyone’s different, so maybe 5 drops is great for you, but for me, I think I’m good at just 2-3 drops and I’m almost 20 years older (less natural pheros as we age). > > But it’s not just how many pheros you pour onto yourself, it also matters what you bring to the table personality-wise. When you wear A314, you have to be prepared to be the person who does the approaching-- that’s what an Alpha male does. He doesn’t hide in the corner waiting for everyone to approach him. > > Maybe what would suit your personality better would be to invest in some Come Talk To Me instead of A314? It sounds like you prefer to be approached and not be the approacher… > > And you could layer the two (A314+CTTM) to see how that works for you. For that matter, any of the social pheros would help soften the approachability factor. > > Just a thought… By Nature i am very very shy i afraid to talk with girls and with stranger i m very shy even can’t courage my self to just pass one smile. just try to makes eye contact with few of girls. and some of guys are absolutely rights about me… i do expect that first girl has to approach me coz i can’t becoz of my shyness. my shyness becomes barrier. Okay one quick question…is there any phero which match with my shy personality…or do i need to change my nature or my self according to these phero which i’ve already bought? and one more question…to reapply Ammo and A314 for how long we should wait? 4 to 6 hours? ---
**Author:** ![Robbie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2acd7d/32.png) [@Robbie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Robbie)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 7:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-on-a314-with-5-drops-and-no-results-advice-on-dosing-and-approach/17096/17 "2008-08-08T19:28:16Z")
Shyness with A314 is a waste of your time, pheros and money, Suresh. I believe you would be better served by using [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and Instant Shine along with perhaps Heavy Ammo (2x strength due to your age) You can layer all of these products and I think you will find your success rate will be much better. Pheros cannot perform miracles, you have to be a participant! The self-effects from the Shine and Openness will help you greatly, though. Once you begin to achieve some success with the help of the pheros, I believe you’ll develop enough self-confidence to move onto the A314 and wear it like you mean it. So, I feel you can still get a lot of mileage out of the A314 you bought, but honestly, I’d set it in the back of the shelf and work my way slowly through the Ammo+Instant Openness+Shine combo first. You need to crawl before you can walk. Build your successes, work your way to the A314. And let me repeat, the Instant Shine and Inspant Openness will work very well with the A314 too, as Gegogi said, the socials will remove some of the “badass” of the A314. Hope this helps… ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_ray](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smiling_ray/32/1314_2.png) [@smiling\_ray](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smiling_ray)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2008, 12:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-on-a314-with-5-drops-and-no-results-advice-on-dosing-and-approach/17096/18 "2008-08-09T00:38:15Z")
I was very very shy too, similar to you a few years ago. Let me tell you a bit about my past. I went to an all boys high school during my teens. I went back home straight away after school and hoped on my computer to play diablo, starcraft, warcraft. I had 0, zero, absolutely no social skills with girls. When I went overseas to Melbourne, I lived by myself, with no family and friends. I was forced to talk to others. That was a start of my social life. What I can recommend you baba is to try to imagine yourself as an actor. You act as if you are a confident, social person. Go read a few books on body language and practise the open posture. The body affects the brain, and vice versa. So for example by smiling, you trick the brain in thinking that you are happy and it releases the feel good hormone. With the effect of the hormone, you feel even happier and your smile becomes even bigger! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![baba\_maal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed655f/32.png) [@baba\_maal](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/baba_maal)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2008, 9:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-on-a314-with-5-drops-and-no-results-advice-on-dosing-and-approach/17096/19 "2008-08-09T09:54:19Z")
So i need to act accordingly .ummmmmmmmmm As Robbie said i need to go with Instant openness and IS. but i have already owned Ammo 1X so cant buy right away 2X. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2008, 10:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-on-a314-with-5-drops-and-no-results-advice-on-dosing-and-approach/17096/20 "2008-08-09T10:29:05Z")
You dont need 2X until your pushing 40, you should be fine with 1X now. What you need due to your shyness is some socials to buffer the masculine mones and draw people in. I suggest IO and IH if you dont already have it. Tisha [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-day-on-a314-with-5-drops-and-no-results-advice-on-dosing-and-approach/17096.md?page=2)