# first go **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 13, 2011, 7:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-go/50301 "2011-05-13T19:46:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Jetto](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jetto/32/698_2.png) [@Jetto](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jetto)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 11:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-go/50301/21 "2011-05-14T11:54:14Z")
I’ll try the IS all by its onsies today. BTW what is lmboff? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 12:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-go/50301/22 "2011-05-14T12:02:45Z")
> [@Jetto](#): > > not going for anything specific just reactions. Could care less about anyone at the gym, they are my little guinea pigs Wrong testing attitude, but I can appreciate the fact that you’re trying. They arent guinea pigs - they are people. It’s obvious your issue is congruency and that you are overloading signals. ---
**Author:** ![Jetto](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jetto/32/698_2.png) [@Jetto](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jetto)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 12:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-go/50301/23 "2011-05-14T12:09:07Z")
People, guinea pigs, test subjects, etc. I’m not stringing them up and applying jumper cables to their nipples just yet. It’s all harmless and in good fun. Unless of course there are some harmful side effects I just haven’t heard about yet. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 12:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-go/50301/24 "2011-05-14T12:11:50Z")
> [@Jetto](#): > > People, guinea pigs, test subjects, etc. I’m not stringing them up and applying jumper cables to their nipples just yet. It’s all harmless and in good fun. Unless of course there are some harmful side effects I just haven’t heard about yet. It’s about the attitude of it. These are social products and if in your head you are lowering them to a non-human/objective level - then you aren’t being congruent with the vibe, which would account for many of the downfalls you’ve listed in results. ---
**Author:** ![Jetto](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jetto/32/698_2.png) [@Jetto](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jetto)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 12:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-go/50301/25 "2011-05-14T12:19:21Z")
I see what you’re saying there. I’m not being completely analytical on them, I’m just being me and seeing if there is any difference in how others react. I personally haven’t changed my own attitude towards others. I’ll try the shine alone and than maybe openness later today. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 12:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-go/50301/26 "2011-05-14T12:37:30Z")
> [@Jetto](#): > > I see what you’re saying there. > I’m not being completely analytical on them, I’m just being me and seeing if there is any difference in how others react. I personally haven’t changed my own attitude towards others. I’ll try the shine alone and than maybe openness later today. Cool, I was just pointing out what you said and that it may be coming through without you realizing it. IS alone is a great time. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 4:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-go/50301/27 "2011-05-14T16:24:28Z")
Don’t want this to come across as harsh, this is in all seriousness a critique if you will and solely based upon your posts in this thread. I can’t decipher tone, or intent, I’m only reading words posted on a msg board on the interwebs. If I’m wrong, then you’ve done a poor job of communicating what it is you’re needing and feeling. So here goes… take my “tone” with a grain of salt. Cut the I’m so fucking macho crap. It doesn’t come off as “alpha,” it is coming off as try hard. And yeah, I’m with John on this one. The whole, “they’re my guinea pigs” comment is exactly what I’m talking about and the kind of attitude that came through. You’re not Svengali, you’re not working your magic over people with your new little toys we lovingly call 'mones." Your issue right now is or could be a combo of congruency, high none output or you just had an off day. Not every day do we see what we want to see. There are hits, but yeah they are ones we don’t wanna consider hits. You could have had multiple females walking by announcing their intentions with a smile here, a nod there, or “oops dropped my pencil.” But because you weren’t attracted to them, or had your mind set on someone / something else you completely missed it. Why do you think a magician uses a beautiful woman in his show, for misdirection. It grabs your attention to check her out while the real shit is going down in the other direction. The same here. You could have been standing in a check out line with 3 cute women who just didn’t meet your criteria and all 3 were fawning over your attention, but your eyes were on some sort of beautiful misdirection. Also, if you knew your date rather well before hand. She might have been uncomfortable with all these new urges and signals you were sending her. People know you…especially women by many things other than just your face and name. Your smell, your tone of voice, the energy and vibe you give off. Women walk through this world feeling anything and everything, and they feel you. You’ll notice differing reactions from women around you, you’ve known for some time. Some may be surprised at this new guy in front of them and excited. Others may be uncomfortable in an “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” sort of way until they get to know the new signal / you. And now onto the 2nd part. We all do it. We all still do it. Spray this, spray that, a little of this and a little of that and next thing you know we’ve got a smorgasbord of mones coating our skin. But now that you got that out of your system… slow your roll bro! Find out through some simple testing what kind of reactions you get from Ammo by solo testing it. Then test each and every product that way so you get to know them really well, and in the long run save some money because instead of spraying 4-6 sprays each time you walk out the door, you only spray 1 or 2 because that is your sweet spot. Read the sweet spot testing guide. Read the stickies. If you’re truly analytical, then do this analytically. Break this all down so you have a deeper understanding. You don’t have to make it a full on hobby, but you will make yourself happier in the long run if you understand what you’re dealing with. ---
**Author:** ![Climax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c68b51/32.png) [@Climax](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Climax)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 4:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-go/50301/28 "2011-05-14T16:38:16Z")
Even though he said Guinea pigs I have seen many people here say test subjects before, same thing. I think this is a bit of a mis understanding, some people don’t always come off the right way behind a keyboard. In other ways he could come off as cocky or macho but in the line of experimenting this information is a need to judge the experiments. It’s not like he is on [xbox.com](http://xbox.com) telling everybody how alpha he is. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 4:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-go/50301/29 "2011-05-14T16:45:40Z")
No he said.. > [@](#): > > Could care less about anyone at the gym, they are my little guinea pigs And I already explained the whole not knowing tone etc on a message board. Anyway, I got stuff to do today. There’s a lot of info in my post above, don’t focus on the minutiae or you might miss out on something important. ---
**Author:** ![Jetto](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jetto/32/698_2.png) [@Jetto](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jetto)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 5:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-go/50301/30 "2011-05-14T17:01:30Z")
Alpha and omega. Lol But yea, true meaning is often lost in translation on the net. I do have an A type personality, you have to in my line of work. I’m not a pissing contest kind of guy though. If I want someone to do something all I have to do is ask, I don’t yell. Voice can’t take it these days. I don’t concentrate on anyone specific. I’ll talk to ugly girls the same as I would to any other girl. I think I’m going to have to spray my friends and see how it works on them. I’ll use single mones but I honestly believe that my personality over powers this stuff. ---
**Author:** ![2000GT](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/2000gt/32/389_2.png) [@2000GT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/2000GT)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 5:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-go/50301/31 "2011-05-14T17:05:20Z")
It’s probably overpowering it but more inline with what TG said. You’re probably missing hits because not all of them are in your face blunt, which seems to be more your personality style. That personality type can be counter productive to the signals the pheros give off. ---
**Author:** ![Jetto](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jetto/32/698_2.png) [@Jetto](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jetto)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 10:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-go/50301/32 "2011-05-14T22:17:38Z")
GOOD POINT! I’VE BEEN GOING ABOUT THIS ALL WRONG! So I’ve been looking for positive hits, which I get naturally. So this time I’m going for the negatives. AMMO x2 JERK x2 TUTH x1 IS2 x2 IO2 x2 IH x2 That has to be enough. I figure the shine just in case the andros start acting on me, maybe it will counter. The openness and honesty so they don’t hold back. For the sake of science! Please critique, I also have IG on hand ---
**Author:** ![Jetto](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jetto/32/698_2.png) [@Jetto](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jetto)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 10:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-go/50301/33 "2011-05-14T22:27:55Z")
_ABORT_ _ABORT_ _ABORT_ Shit! I got my first spray of AMMO on and I got a text from the girl I’m seeing asking to go out tonight. So, I guess this experiment will have to wait! So I’ll hit the ammo + shine + openness and call it a night ---
**Author:** ![2000GT](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/2000gt/32/389_2.png) [@2000GT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/2000GT)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 11:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-go/50301/34 "2011-05-14T23:26:29Z")
Uh…you can still do IS and IO. Both are socials so it’s not likely to have a negative effect…unless you want the girl to talk her ear off. ---
**Author:** ![Jetto](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jetto/32/698_2.png) [@Jetto](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jetto)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2011, 3:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-go/50301/35 "2011-05-15T03:33:51Z")
I ran Ammo ISx4 IOx4 IHx2 I may have had a hit, she was about the norm on talkative but she was a little more open and honest about what she said. I think she even surprised herself at some of the things she was telling me. So IH may need more testing 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Jetto](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jetto/32/698_2.png) [@Jetto](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jetto)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2011, 5:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-go/50301/36 "2011-05-15T17:08:21Z")
So I feel I had a little bit of a hit with IH Today I’m going with the Jerk. I’ll try 1x to the chest and 2x IH to my hair. I’m on my way to a BBQ with some friends. There should be a diverse mix of sexes and ages so let’s see how this plays out. ---
**Author:** ![Climax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c68b51/32.png) [@Climax](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Climax)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2011, 5:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-go/50301/37 "2011-05-15T17:22:56Z")
My problem was the free ToGo of IH I got had a leak so I haven’t tested it much. Doesn’t get people talking but when I used it it seemed to do much of what you mentioned before. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2011, 8:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-go/50301/38 "2011-05-15T20:42:56Z")
> [@Climax](#): > > My problem was the free ToGo of IH I got had a leak so I haven’t tested it much. Doesn’t get people talking but when I used it it seemed to do much of what you mentioned before. You’re thinking of IO. That gets your ear talked off. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-go/50301.md?page=1)