# first night.. what happened? advice **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 23, 2010, 3:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-night-what-happened-advice/42807 "2010-10-23T03:53:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![fearz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecc23a/32.png) [@fearz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/fearz)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 3:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-night-what-happened-advice/42807/1 "2010-10-23T03:53:15Z")
so last night was my first time using phermones. instead of trying it out slow, and finding my sweat spot, i decided to just do it for the night. i didn’t really care if ill be OD-ing or what not, just wanted see how the pheromone experience is like. i was going to a club, and 45 minutes before entering into the club. i sprayed on 2 \* AMMO on chest 2 \* instant openness on neck 2 \* instant shine on arms (then i realize its cold out, so i had to wear a jacket) & so i sprayed another 2 \* on my jacket sleeves 2 \* TUTH near behind my ears + sides of my face and back of my head Long story short, basically in the club, No IOIs, I seemed to be ignored and even avoided. I thought this could be the ghost effect from OD? So, I told my friend girls i bought a new cologne and asked them how i smell like. They told me it is very weak, and they could hardly smell anything? I asked more people if they could smell my new scent, they couldn’t. It couldn’t have been OD effect, as they couldn’t even smell the [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/), so perhaps it wasn’t the ghost effect. One of my friend girl told me to spray more next time, so people can smell it. So, what happened?😕 A few more questions: 1. Do mones make you mentally tired? When it first came (I was about to head out for basketball), I thought why not just spray 1_AMMO for fun. So, I sprayed 1_ ammo, rubbing wrist onto neck. I was so mentally tired after basketball, it was unusual. 2. When people say spray on chest, do they mean onto the chest part of the shirt they are wearing? or the skin? 3. if you are wearing a jacket, is it effective to spray onto the jacket? I know it is most effective on skin, where heat is emitted. But what if weather is cold? Just everything near neck and face? will continue to keep track. ---
**Author:** ![TheBoogieMan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theboogieman/32/1136_2.png) [@TheBoogieMan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheBoogieMan)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 4:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-night-what-happened-advice/42807/2 "2010-10-23T04:18:23Z")
You most likely OD’ed. 2 sprays of TUTH can be enough to OD if you’re a younger guy and the Ammo would only add to that. The fact that could or couldn’t smell the scent does not mean the pheromones were not present. The scent only helps the mones diffuse, it is not the mones themselves. Cold climates and a lack of body heat can hinder the diffusion of scents. Or there’s the possibility that they had a “blind spot” of sorts because of the overload of mones which caused their subconscious mind to cancel out the scent. 1. Mones affect your neurotransmitters and when overstimulated this can cause you to be tired. It’s known as a “phero crash” and can be very common with certain products like [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). It is possible to build up a tolerance against this. 2. Either. I personally don’t spray mones on my clothes but there are those that do. 3. Once again, there are those who spray mones on clothes and find it effective. I personally prefer not to do that but it’s up to you. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 4:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-night-what-happened-advice/42807/3 "2010-10-23T04:20:53Z")
> [@fearz](#): > > so last night was my first time using phermones. instead of trying it out slow, and finding my sweat spot, i decided to just do it for the night. **i didn’t really care if ill be OD-ing or what not** , just wanted see how the pheromone experience is like. > i was going to a club, and 45 minutes before entering into the club. > > i sprayed on > 2 \* AMMO on chest > 2 \* instant openness on neck > 2 \* instant shine on arms (then i realize its cold out, so i had to wear a jacket) > & so i sprayed another 2 \* on my jacket sleeves > 2 \* TUTH near behind my ears + sides of my face and back of my head > > Long story short, basically in the club, No IOIs, I seemed to be ignored and even avoided. I thought this could be the ghost effect from OD? So, I told my friend girls i bought a new cologne and asked them how i smell like. They told me it is very weak, and they could hardly smell anything? I asked more people if they could smell my new scent, they couldn’t. It couldn’t have been OD effect, as they couldn’t even smell the pheromones, so perhaps it wasn’t the ghost effect. One of my friend girl told me to spray more next time, so people can smell it. So, what happened?😕 1.) that you’re asking means that you actually did care. 2.) with 2 sprays each of 4 different products it’s hard to say for sure but I’ll put dollars to peso’s it’s the TuTH. Honestly unless you’re over the age of 35 combining TuTH with Ammo is not only unnecessary but counter productive. For clubbing the Ammo alone should have been fine. 3.) people not being able to consciously smell the mones has nothing at all to do with them working or not. Mones have a smell but they don’t work via the olfactory nerve so a person could have no sense of smell at all and still be effected. 4.) What happened is you experienced a phero baptism, overeager newbies follow a “more must be better” approach and throw on multiple sprays of every product they’re able to get their hands on, the result is usually either too much None (which can be very aggressive and intimidating) or phero overload where you just have too much signal in general and conflicting signals which don’t make sense to the brain and are thus disregarded. My guess would be the first option since simple overload usually just means nothing happens at all…you got ghosted, happened to me when I decided to try something like 6 plus sprays of TuTH. You wind up with a space cushion around you of about 6-8 feet and you feel like the invisible man. > [@](#): > > A few more questions: > > 1. Do mones make you mentally tired? When it first came (I was about to head out for basketball), I thought why not just spray 1_AMMO for fun. So, I sprayed 1_ ammo, rubbing wrist onto neck. I was so mentally tired after basketball, it was unusual. They can have that effect of some people. My theory is that humans produce mones in much smaller quantities than you get with [synthetic pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) and thus the region of the brain designed to process the information of a pheromone signal gets stimulated to a greater degree than is normal, as a result it can tax the brains neurotransmitters. I did a sort of experiment a while back by giving several coworkers supplements designed to support healthy NT levels in the brain. The result over several weeks of use was the effects of the mones seemed amplified. Thus implying a strong correlation between the two. > [@](#): > > 1. When people say spray on chest, do they mean onto the chest part of the shirt they are wearing? or the skin? On the skin, mones need body heat in order to waft off and form a cloud around you. They CAN diffuse off of your clothes but with much more difficulty. > [@](#): > > 1. if you are wearing a jacket, is it effective to spray onto the jacket? I know it is most effective on skin, where heat is emitted. But what if weather is cold? Just everything near neck and face? See above answer. Basically when you’re heavily covered like during winter, behind the ears, neck, upper chest (if you can wear an unbuttoned shirt), or the wrists. Ultimately it’s an irrelevant point though. First off if you’re outdoors almost any time of year simple air currents would spread your cloud out so much it’s not likely to be very effective save at VERY close range Secondly even at close range, if the mones wafted off of you the condensation from the cold air would not allow them to travel far or even stay airborn for long…fart in a cold room and do it again after the heater has been on for a while and you’ll understand what I mean. You’re best bet is to use the mones indoors where you can wear less clothing and expose more application points, the temperature is warmer and walls keep your cloud around you where it can build up and actually be effective. ---
**Author:** ![fearz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecc23a/32.png) [@fearz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/fearz)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 6:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-night-what-happened-advice/42807/4 "2010-10-23T18:30:59Z")
that was really helpful. thanks for the detailed advice! Guess I really did OD? Will try less dosage next time, and will be testing out my sweet spot. Keep you guys updated! Btw, is it less effective, if a phermone covers anoother? For example, if i applied instant shine on neck, I probably should apply instant openness perhaps on another area right? or does it actually not matter? And how long do phermones usually last? How do I know they are wearing off? Would the ghost effect be so much so that you that people are actually avoiding you? Man…im a complete noob. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 7:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-night-what-happened-advice/42807/5 "2010-10-23T19:08:18Z")
Shouldn’t matter too much, the stuff comes off your skin and forms a cloud around you, as long as your application areas are exposed and not covered by clothing you should be good.