# First order of Ammo, TUTH, IO, Shine and IH: how not to OD on day one? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 29, 2009, 12:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-order-of-ammo-tuth-io-shine-and-ih-how-not-to-od-on-day-one/28470 "2009-04-29T00:43:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![downqueue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ea5d25/32.png) [@downqueue](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/downqueue)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 12:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-order-of-ammo-tuth-io-shine-and-ih-how-not-to-od-on-day-one/28470/1 "2009-04-29T00:43:14Z")
and as I sit here looking at them.. (my little to go bottles)(cause i am a skeptic).. and the rules I have read ring in my ears, try one at a time… TRY ONE AT A TIME… LOLOLOL yea… RIGHT… did everyone OD on day one? cause I might… LOL I have ammo, TUTH, instant openness, instant shine, and instant honesty. oh my, whatever should I try… ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Feel\_Good](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mr.feel_good/32/1148_2.png) [@Mr.Feel\_Good](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mr.Feel_Good)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 12:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-order-of-ammo-tuth-io-shine-and-ih-how-not-to-od-on-day-one/28470/2 "2009-04-29T00:57:33Z")
Yeeeeah… we don’t encourage it, but it’s called the newbie phero baptism and most of us did it the first time. I’ll speak up and say i might have… 🙄 Do try to only use one -none product though on your first go. You’ll thank me for it later. ---
**Author:** ![downqueue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ea5d25/32.png) [@downqueue](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/downqueue)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 1:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-order-of-ammo-tuth-io-shine-and-ih-how-not-to-od-on-day-one/28470/3 "2009-04-29T01:04:45Z")
> [@Mr.Feel\_Good](#): > > Yeeeeah… we don’t encourage it, but it’s called the newbie phero baptism and most of us did it the first time. I’ll speak up and say i might have… 🙄 Do try to only use one -none product though on your first go. You’ll thank me for it later. hey. while your hear.. what the heck is -none I see it in many posts but im not really 100% sure what your saying. is that the main phero in TUTH and ammo?😕 ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Feel\_Good](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mr.feel_good/32/1148_2.png) [@Mr.Feel\_Good](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mr.Feel_Good)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 1:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-order-of-ammo-tuth-io-shine-and-ih-how-not-to-od-on-day-one/28470/4 "2009-04-29T01:06:27Z")
> [@downqueue](#): > > hey. while your hear.. what the heck is -none I see it in many posts but im not really 100% sure what your saying. > is that the main phero in TUTH and ammo?😕 Yeah, sorry about that, it’s a bad habit for us veterans. -none is short for androstenone, which is the male sexual phero. And yes, it’s the main component in both [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and TUTH. Ammo is better buffered with social phero’s though, so can be worn around more places than the more sexual TUTH. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 1:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-order-of-ammo-tuth-io-shine-and-ih-how-not-to-od-on-day-one/28470/5 "2009-04-29T01:08:17Z")
[quote=“downqueue, post:1, topic:28470”] did everyone OD on day one? cause I might… LOL [quote] _raises hand and starts waving_ I DID!!! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![hopefulpherouser](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hopefulpherouser/32/2239_2.png) [@hopefulpherouser](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hopefulpherouser)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 1:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-order-of-ammo-tuth-io-shine-and-ih-how-not-to-od-on-day-one/28470/6 "2009-04-29T01:44:12Z")
> [@downqueue](#): > > and as I sit here looking at them.. (my little to go bottles)(cause i am a skeptic).. and the rules I have read ring in my ears, try one at a time… TRY ONE AT A TIME… LOLOLOL > > yea… RIGHT… > > did everyone OD on day one? cause I might… LOL > > I have ammo, TUTH, instant openness, instant shine, and instant honesty. > > oh my, whatever should I try… I did not OD on a -none product on day 1. You can try it to see how others react. I would try the Ammo alone first, then maybe throw in the shine, openness or honesty. Use 1 spray at first then move up or down a spray depending on reactions. Also I would advise you to not use [Turn Up the Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) as a casual everyday wear. It works best around women you have already spoken to and know a bit( perhaps on a third date). It can also be used in a nightclub. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Feel\_Good](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mr.feel_good/32/1148_2.png) [@Mr.Feel\_Good](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mr.Feel_Good)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 1:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-order-of-ammo-tuth-io-shine-and-ih-how-not-to-od-on-day-one/28470/7 "2009-04-29T01:47:52Z")
Yeah, he knows the drill, he just wants to try spraying them all on at once, same as most of us did. He’ll figure out afterwards that although you may get a hit, there’s NO WAY to know which phero or which combination of phero’s that hit was from. That’s why it’s best to keep it simple in the beginning. ---
**Author:** ![downqueue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ea5d25/32.png) [@downqueue](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/downqueue)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 1:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-order-of-ammo-tuth-io-shine-and-ih-how-not-to-od-on-day-one/28470/8 "2009-04-29T01:51:52Z")
LOL. just cause I know the right way to do things.. does not mean I always do the right thing… here is my thinking for day one, and after that I will go with the right way to do things. Ammo chest X2 instant shine wrist X2 and rubbed together. (or openness?) and I will leave it at that and not go too over board.(yea I’m still thinking on this) ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 2:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-order-of-ammo-tuth-io-shine-and-ih-how-not-to-od-on-day-one/28470/9 "2009-04-29T02:18:52Z")
2 shots ammo; 1 to each top of hand 4 shots instant shine to your hair 2 shots openness; one on each forearm 2 shots honesty; one to each inner elbow wear a short sleeved shirt. If you are still a skeptic… nothing will change you then LOL ---
**Author:** ![downqueue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ea5d25/32.png) [@downqueue](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/downqueue)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 2:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-order-of-ammo-tuth-io-shine-and-ih-how-not-to-od-on-day-one/28470/10 "2009-04-29T02:22:12Z")
> [@djandarial](#): > > 4 shots instant shine to your hair and if i am bald? come to think of it no one has said how well things work on a bald head. I shave my head every 3 days to keep things nice and close. ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 4:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-order-of-ammo-tuth-io-shine-and-ih-how-not-to-od-on-day-one/28470/11 "2009-04-29T04:35:02Z")
I am not bald, but am balding… so worries, hit it up let me know how it goes, ---
**Author:** ![downqueue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ea5d25/32.png) [@downqueue](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/downqueue)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 11:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-order-of-ammo-tuth-io-shine-and-ih-how-not-to-od-on-day-one/28470/12 "2009-04-29T11:06:31Z")
> [@djandarial](#): > > I am not bald, but am balding… so worries, hit it up > > let me know how it goes, what the heck.. its the first day and all, whats the worst thing that could happen??? I will give your mix a shot, but ill have to move the ones on the hands as I work in a hospital so those will be washed on in less then an hour at work. ---
**Author:** ![FastJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7c8e57/32.png) [@FastJ](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/FastJ)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 2:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-order-of-ammo-tuth-io-shine-and-ih-how-not-to-od-on-day-one/28470/13 "2009-04-29T14:05:19Z")
> [@downqueue](#): > > and as I sit here looking at them.. (my little to go bottles)(cause i am a skeptic).. and the rules I have read ring in my ears, try one at a time… TRY ONE AT A TIME… LOLOLOL > > yea… RIGHT… > > did everyone OD on day one? cause I might… LOL > > I have ammo, TUTH, instant openness, instant shine, and instant honesty. > > oh my, whatever should I try… I think I made it almost a week before I started layering different ones. 😃 OD’d, or at least came awfull close at the end of the second week. From what I’ve read, virtually every noob goes overboard. Enjoy! ---
**Author:** ![downqueue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ea5d25/32.png) [@downqueue](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/downqueue)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 12:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-order-of-ammo-tuth-io-shine-and-ih-how-not-to-od-on-day-one/28470/14 "2009-04-30T00:34:24Z")
well today went well.. I notices some things from gals.. but I noticed some from the guys I work with.. I ended up having a very long talk with my bosses boss, and thats not really normal at all. I also had a rather large chip on my shoulder all day… I know the basic rules are one at a time etc. but I think I will test this same mix the rest of this week. ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 12:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-order-of-ammo-tuth-io-shine-and-ih-how-not-to-od-on-day-one/28470/15 "2009-04-30T00:54:58Z")
ahhhh you lik’a th’a Mix’a??? Can I get a “What What DJ” BTW please describe as best you can what you noticed from the ladies and the guys, as well as if you noticed your BPM rise. The chip on your shoulder was from the -none in AMMO, you put it on your neck didn’t you? ---
**Author:** ![downqueue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ea5d25/32.png) [@downqueue](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/downqueue)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 1:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-order-of-ammo-tuth-io-shine-and-ih-how-not-to-od-on-day-one/28470/16 "2009-04-30T01:23:27Z")
well today was a good way to have as a first day. I had a job that took me an hour or so in a building full of slightly older but very professional well dressed and well payed women. normally me (being the IT tech) am all but invisible to these types of women at work. well I got a hello from every woman there, I also got a hand pat on my hand from the woman in charge here as she said she was sorry for the delay in getting what i needed.. only it was a hand pat and then she let her hand slide along the back of mine as she walked by. (kinda shocked me most of the time these ladies treat me about the same as they would their gardener) so physical contact is never so personal. now with my coworkers we had a meeting, I basically took over once the east state manager opened the floor, I just kept talking… and talking.. and after the meeting he pulled me down a hall away from the rest of the techs and talked to me(well I talked) for another hour. ---
**Author:** ![Ball.Saxbury](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ball.saxbury/32/1063_2.png) [@Ball.Saxbury](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ball.Saxbury)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 1:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-order-of-ammo-tuth-io-shine-and-ih-how-not-to-od-on-day-one/28470/17 "2009-04-30T01:57:10Z")
> [@djandarial](#): > > 2 shots ammo; 1 to each top of hand > 4 shots instant shine to your hair > 2 shots openness; one on each forearm > 2 shots honesty; one to each inner elbow I love your mixes, seriously, you are my personal Jesus. Great results with this one. I also tried using 4 sprays CTTM 2 instead of the Openness and Honesty and it worked basically the same. I’m going to try using some Primal Instinct in place of Ammo for the girlfriend tomorrow and see how that goes. You’re awesome.