# First order, some advice would be dandy! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 27, 2007, 4:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-order-some-advice-would-be-dandy/4836 "2007-07-27T16:53:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SanjuroDP](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sanjurodp/32/1431_2.png) [@SanjuroDP](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SanjuroDP)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 4:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-order-some-advice-would-be-dandy/4836/1 "2007-07-27T16:53:02Z")
Heya all, thanks for looking, A couple of n00b questions, but first some background: Male, 21, Mixed race, athletic/skinny build, kinda short, unknown blood type. Am currently planning on buying 1XAmmo (regular strength) 1XShine once my gift certificate comes through. N00B Question 1: I’m hoping to create the random conversations with females down town, waiting in line, purchasing refreshments, at the post office etc, so essentially girls talking to me out of the blue as opposed to me making a fool of myself approaching them, which Pre-Mix should I try/go for? N00B Question 2: I’ve read some pretty scary stories about OD especially on -none based products, I’ve already placed a limit of 3 sprays max of any product on myself, is this a smart thing to do? N00B Question 3: I’m still hanging with younger people, 20yo’s and below (To maybe 16 depending upon setting), does the age of the err… Audience for lack of a better word, need to be considered when 'moneing up? N00B Question 4: If a girl is already showing IoIs, specifically me catching her watching me dispite her being in a conversation, or singling me out to be partnered with her in say… an arm wrestle for example, smiling, hair twirling etc, what would y’all suggest to encourage her to actually close the deal and make a move? (I ask not because I’m too chicken to do it myself… or so I keep telling myself, but because if I know my friends like a certain girl or what not, and not wanting to feel guilty, I refuse to move in on mate’s territory; I’d rather deal with “Oh man, I can’t believe she went for him and not me” as opposed to “What the hell man?! She’s mine, you can’t go for her! I’ll fight you!”) N00B Question 5: If you were me, but with a wisened, Phero-Veteran head on my body, and you were making for first purchase, knowing what you currently know, what would you purchase? Feel free to answer, some, all, or none of my questions, I’m just trying to gather some insight and help from people who truely know what they’re doing, as opposed to my extensive Pherlure experience… yeah… really stuffed up there didn’t I? Cheers! ---
**Author:** ![HABIB001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/habib001/32/2159_2.png) [@HABIB001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HABIB001)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 6:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-order-some-advice-would-be-dandy/4836/2 "2007-07-27T18:20:07Z")
You may want to read the Mystery method by Erik von Markovik, give you some pointers. Pheros wont instantly make women come up to you. You need to be within smelling distance or the wind has got to be blowing in the right direction for the pheros to waft up their noses. Attitude and presentation are important to pull women. With all things in life moderation is best, if you read some of the other threads, you will see that depending on how much you apply, you may end up attracting different age groups. More you apply the more older women will be attracted to you, ( Correct me if i am wrong) but it depends on the product you use. ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 6:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-order-some-advice-would-be-dandy/4836/3 "2007-07-27T18:22:08Z")
Welcome here! I am sure you will have fun experimenting with us 😉 I supouse you have read the sticky posts havent you? I would recommend you not to mix until you have understood each phero separately and found your limits and your sweet spot in dose, search about it, there are many posts describing this 😉 If you want a pre-made symphonic mix very compensated, try Ammo (it has -none, -Androsterone, a-Androstenol and maybe TAA). It’s the best option for starting here, although it may not be the most exciting or “proofing” group of pheros to demostrate phero effects if you are a agnostic and do not (still) believe in them. If you want more approaches from them to you, let me tell you that, even with pheros this won’t change a lot, you have to play the game, and play it well, pheros help a lot, but you have yet to open (normally) a conversation. Anyway Instant Openness and Instant Honesty are the best products for make people come and talk to you, IMO they’re are better than Come Talk To Me Mix 2 mix. It’s a wise thing to limit yourself to 3 sprays but, after a little experimenting you might find useful to OD on some pheros to understand certain things and reactions. Anyway the 3 sprays rule of thumb is better applied only to -none and you can even have an OD at your age with 3 sprays of anything like Ammo or Turn Up The Heat which contains 2.5 mcg of -none per spray. I would start with one spray (or half a spray if your target population is under 20) and go up with the dose untill you find your sweet points. As you might have read in other posts, more -none means you attract older women and frighten or upset younger ones and men. So if your targets are very young you may even have to use half sprays or not using -none at all, just test, experiment, and find the best dose for attracting each group, in each context, each environment and time of the day (not joking 😉). For the close problem, if you were talking about pheros, I would recomend A314, [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) and TUTH for creating sexual tension, but it’s a complicated problem that has to be treated dinamically depending on the girl, situation, your attitude and behaviour, etc. It’s normally a talking problem, if you don’t play the game very well, pheros will help you less. If you manage to play the game reasonabily, you will find that pheros really make the difference sometimes. And the last question, I would buy Ammo (prefer PheroProof but it’s out of market i think), TUTH, IFM, A314 and IH. But if your problem is opening you may need IO or someting, i would recommend to play the game a lot and try a lot of openings until you lose respect to that kind of situations and your behaviour become natural. Good Luck!! tell us! ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 10:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-order-some-advice-would-be-dandy/4836/4 "2007-07-27T22:17:38Z")
If I were to offer you one bit of advice, it would not be about [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) … it would be to _lose_ the idea that you want women to approach you, and completely embrace the idea of **fearlessly approaching women** , assured that they are already attracted to you and just don’t know it yet! THAT is sexy (and passivity in a man is decidedly not) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2007, 12:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-order-some-advice-would-be-dandy/4836/5 "2007-07-28T00:55:54Z")
> [@Carrie](#): > > If I were to offer you one bit of advice, it would not be about pheromones … it would be to _lose_ the idea that you want women to approach you, and completely embrace the idea of **fearlessly approaching women** , assured that they are already attracted to you and just don’t know it yet! THAT is sexy (and passivity in a man is decidedly not) 😃 Carrie I absolutely agree with you, in fact i think it’s one of the most terrific placebo powers of pheros (or maybe you are sometimes affected by your own pheros in certain mixes), you feel full of conficence because you wear them and approach women with a feeling that you have half the way walked and women are more probably to fall at your feet. You women may even not be necessarily affected by the pheros but… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2007, 2:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-order-some-advice-would-be-dandy/4836/6 "2007-07-28T02:23:22Z")
> [@SanjuroDP](#): > > N00B Question 1: I’m hoping to create the random conversations with females down town, waiting in line, purchasing refreshments, at the post office etc, so essentially girls talking to me out of the blue as opposed to me making a fool of myself approaching them, which Pre-Mix should I try/go for? Say “Hi,” and ask a polite question that needs more than a yes/no answer. That gives them the opening to engage with you if they want to. If you don’t do that, pheromones aren’t likely to help. You do still need to approach. Pheromones that will encourage them to want to engage if you give them the opportunity are IO, IH, Shine. > [@SanjuroDP](#): > > N00B Question 2: I’ve read some pretty scary stories about OD especially on -none based products, I’ve already placed a limit of 3 sprays max of any product on myself, is this a smart thing to do? Yes. Start out with 1. By the time a couple of weeks have elapsed you’ll have a lot better idea what they do and if you can relax your rules. > [@SanjuroDP](#): > > N00B Question 3: I’m still hanging with younger people, 20yo’s and below (To maybe 16 depending upon setting), does the age of the err… Audience for lack of a better word, need to be considered when 'moneing up? Age makes a difference. Younger girls are more sensitive to -none. They’re easy to scare. They respond well to -nols. > [@SanjuroDP](#): > > N00B Question 4: If a girl is already showing IoIs, specifically me catching her watching me dispite her being in a conversation, or singling me out to be partnered with her in say… an arm wrestle for example, smiling, hair twirling etc, what would y’all suggest to encourage her to actually close the deal and make a move? (I ask not because I’m too chicken to do it myself… or so I keep telling myself, but because if I know my friends like a certain girl or what not, and not wanting to feel guilty, I refuse to move in on mate’s territory; I’d rather deal with “Oh man, I can’t believe she went for him and not me” as opposed to “What the hell man?! She’s mine, you can’t go for her! I’ll fight you!” You may be waiting a long time if you don’t want to open. You need to initiate a conversation. That let’s her know it’s ok to interact with you without getting shot down. She’ll take it from there if she’s interested. Just give her a chance. > [@SanjuroDP](#): > > Heya all, thanks for looking, > N00B Question 5: If you were me, but with a wisened, Phero-Veteran head on my body, and you were making for first purchase, knowing what you currently know, what would you purchase? Shine is a good starter product. For you, IO and IH may also be worth considering. Ammo is good but you should probably go pretty light. Maybe start with 1/2 spray and work upwards on subsequent wearings. Shine, IO, and IH should help you get some interactions started, if you are willing to do your part. ---
**Author:** ![SanjuroDP](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sanjurodp/32/1431_2.png) [@SanjuroDP](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SanjuroDP)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2007, 2:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-order-some-advice-would-be-dandy/4836/7 "2007-07-28T02:37:09Z")
Heya all, Thanks for all the advice, it is a real help. Like you said, my problem probably isn’t in my [Pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) deficeny… if I have one, but my attitude towards the situation, unfortunatly, especially with interacting with some of the younger age groups, some tend to say I come off a little arrogant, although this is said by one or two people who aren’t fond of me anyway, but I guess I’m sort of shell shocked into the idea that its best to OD on the humbleness and passivity(Assuming there is such a word 🆒) than come out of the ordeal being called an “Arrogant Sleaze”. Ridiculous story; some of my male friends who, for some unknown reason think I’m a total hit with the women, come to me for advice and the number one thing I tell them is “You can’t bore a woman into liking you, you have to be confident, interesting and above all, not be afraid to make a move once in a while” Turns out I don’t practise what I preach. _Repeatedly hits self_ DUMMY DUMMY DUMMY! 😃 I’m planning on buying 1X Ammo (For the whole attraction and getting rid of the potential “Just a friend” problem) 1X Shine (I’ve read some awesome stories) and 1X Instant Openess (Ice breaker mostly).