# First purchase at 16: switching pheromones day to day, and which products to buy **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 17, 2012, 7:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610 "2012-02-17T19:47:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![maxx55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8491ac/32.png) [@maxx55](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/maxx55)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2012, 7:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/1 "2012-02-17T19:47:18Z")
For those that dont know I’m 16 and currently in HS. I have a few questions and concerns before I make my first purchase today 😃 1. I understand that I must be congruent with my [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) sig. That’s no problem. But also I read that I cant change my phero from one day to the next (like A314 one day and Spaceland the next) and that if I do I’ll get ghosting and I have completely messed up with my target. Is this true? 2. Consumer line products I’m interested in: Ammo, IG, IO, IJ, IS, A314, CTTM2 (Looking for positive self effects and attraction from girls 14-16, a “badass, date me, alpha vibe”) 3. I understand that samples are sometimes sent with orders. Could I request something specific? 4. From what I know, an oil based phero lasts wayy longer than a spray. Can I convert my sprays into oils somehow to have them last practicaly all day? 5. At my age would A1 help with the vibe I want to give off? Is it useless for me? Or only useful in combo with other pheros? If you can answer any of these questions, I’d be really thankful. Also don’t discourage me from using some of stuff like A314, I’d rather have advice on how I could buffer it to make it work. ---
**Author:** ![maxx55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8491ac/32.png) [@maxx55](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/maxx55)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2012, 7:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/2 "2012-02-17T19:48:57Z")
Two more things: Can “female” pheros be used effectively by me? (TAL) Is thinking outside the box like this useful for this kind of thing? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2012, 8:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/3 "2012-02-17T20:58:00Z")
1 - No, provided you scrub-up well, you can vary your phero signature as drastically as you like. Although a regular “clean” day or two/break between a run of a particular mix and the next does help you keep perspective and improve you evaluations. However, if you do change your sig a lot but are regularly around the same people, they can find this confusing and this can become a hurdle all by itself. Some mixes can be immediate whilst others, especially ones involving IH or A314 can take repeated exposure to hit home fully and will reveal further nuances with prolonged use. 2 - All those are good but do remember that whilst the strongest self effects can be from products like IJ and A314 but whilst they may give you confidence, they can also repel the very people you are interested-in. Whilst this can be offset with socials and A314, the none content in IJ is difficult to moderate without massive doses - and then you lose almost all its effect anyway. 3 - You certainly used to be able to “hint” at what freebie you might like to see but IME, AD have usually managed to put-in something that complemented the order in some interesting way. However, the current series of MXs prompted a change in policy a few months back - John posted a thread explaining the current position but its not leaping to hand just now. 4 - No, not easily. For starters, oils need a much higher phero concentration (7-20x depending) for an equivalent volume. You can prolong alcohol activity slightly by applying over a small amount of lotion - Use as little as you possibly can to cover the app point then give it a minute or two to sink-in, so you are not applying to sticky skin, which will impact on diffusion. 5 - You know my opinion of A1 in your context already and it is far from a beginners phero. Maybe think about working through the instants first? Also, any mix involving A1 will not count towards your RU status, which would be a shame. Lastly, IMO, people can get too hung-up on status. Which is fine if you can be congruent but in many cases they could do far better with something social/engaging that draws people to them and topples barriers/inhibitions. Anyway, just don’t use A314/IO together - IME they just wreck each other to the point of being a complete waste of product. Female pheros - can do, it seems to work for some and others use them as alternatives to socials when moderating none. You will need to try them and see. Try searching past threads as some folk have done this before with good results. My experience was mixed - Yes I got results but not always in the range or quality I wanted. ---
**Author:** ![maxx55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8491ac/32.png) [@maxx55](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/maxx55)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2012, 9:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/4 "2012-02-17T21:50:49Z")
Thank you and what does RU stand for? ---
**Author:** ![Pandakun](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pandakun/32/953_2.png) [@Pandakun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pandakun)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2012, 10:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/5 "2012-02-17T22:35:52Z")
> [@maxx55](#): > > Thank you and what does RU stand for? Reporting User… ---
**Author:** ![lowrider639](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lowrider639/32/2051_2.png) [@lowrider639](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lowrider639)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2012, 1:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/6 "2012-02-18T01:37:29Z")
Hi Maxx, About the signature, I noticed that if you keep changing it very frequently, it can become sort of confusing for others around you. They respond at first but later they think you’re weird. Also it’s a waste of mones if you keep changing it very often as it takes a bit longer (upto a week in my experience) for people to actually get used to the new signature and respond to it. The reason is that at first they’ll notice something different about you but overtime, they’ll make subconscious decisions and believe it’s actually you. What I like to do is that I keep a certain signature for a week or two and then I change it on Monday, so people do notice the change but it’s easier for them to accept the new signature. Hope that helps. Have fun! lowrider ---
**Author:** ![maxx55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8491ac/32.png) [@maxx55](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/maxx55)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2012, 10:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/7 "2012-02-18T10:52:45Z")
I have a few more questions: 1. What are the pros and cons of togo bottles vs normal 30ml bottles? (Strength, leakage, etc.) 2. I saw CTTM2 is out of stock. And there is a test pack based on it still in stock. CTTM will be back in stock later, right? 3. And also to my understanding most products last 4-6 hrs but Shine lasts like only 3. Bht oil based stuff lasts practically all day (8hrs) Is this true? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2012, 11:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/8 "2012-02-18T11:16:38Z")
1 - Togos only advantages are convenience on the move and as a relatively lower priced way of starting out. Beyond that, the 30mls are far better economy overall, less prone to leakage/damage and will keep the contents better long-term. FWIW, I now try to buy my main pheros in 30mls and just decant a small amount into a clean/empty togo (any number of threads on how to reuse togos already) to take out with me. Although I will try the odd togo of something new occasionally. Another thing to remember is that the spray volume of a togo is approx 80% of that from a 30ml, so its a factor to consider when dosing. 2 - CTTM2 went out of stock a good while ago, so FTM I would not hold out for a fast restock. John has since stated that equal quantities of 2x IO and IH is the “official” replacement. 3 - Yes, depending on several factors eg heat, humidity, sweating/bacteria, most alc-based mones are active in the 4-6 hour range. Some are less - on its own, TAA (main component of IS) will last around an hour and a half per application but the IS formula prolongs this to around three hours and the recent stealth diffusion MXs seem to have evened the gap and prolonged activity further. A314 in oil will give around 8-10hrs in normal temperate use and 10-12hrs if applied to clean skin over a small amount of lotion - there may be a slight penalty in diffusion range here but its not much IME. FTM, the only oil product in ADs range is A314 but if you really need the extra longevity, there are good oil-based formulas that complement it very well. You will soon find them and the other good phero sellers in discussion here. Alter Ego is a favourite of mine and many guys here rate Alpha-7 (which I’ve not tried yet) as a good complementary none product. You also need to remember that oils have properties all their own - particularly slower diffusion, more subtlety and an almost slowburn effect. So if you want impact, presence and in your face results, oils might not always be the way to go. ---
**Author:** ![maxx55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8491ac/32.png) [@maxx55](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/maxx55)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2012, 11:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/9 "2012-02-18T11:56:05Z")
Ok thanks 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![maxx55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8491ac/32.png) [@maxx55](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/maxx55)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2012, 1:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/10 "2012-02-22T13:29:10Z")
I would say that my teachers and some other students would say that I’m more mature than my age (in terms of intelligence and some behaviors), but I do joke around with my friends. Considering I’m an upperclassmen, if I was interested in underclass girls, would IG be a help or hinderance? Also I dont want to be looked at as uptight or stiff or boring. And also when people say 1-2s or 2-3s, the “s” stands for sprays right? ---
**Author:** ![Zelos](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/zelos/32/1135_2.png) [@Zelos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Zelos)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2012, 2:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/11 "2012-02-22T14:00:59Z")
I don’t foresee IG being a hindrance, but I’ve only had limited testing with it. I plan to pick up a 30ml bottle sometime, and I’ve had pretty good social experiences with it. My verdict so far is I love the stuff, which I use as part of a combo. I’m pretty sure the ‘s’ stands for sprays, but don’t take my word on it. ---
**Author:** ![maxx55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8491ac/32.png) [@maxx55](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/maxx55)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2012, 2:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/12 "2012-02-22T14:34:46Z")
How would you describe P94? I’ve read different things about it. I’ve read it has an “instant boyfriend effect” and other reports saying that it keeps the user in a decent mood. ---
**Author:** ![maxx55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8491ac/32.png) [@maxx55](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/maxx55)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2012, 8:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/13 "2012-02-28T20:18:19Z")
From what I’ve read, if you want certain mones and their effects to be associated or grounded to the user then it has to be sprayed on the neck or chest, is this true? I know some people use it on their wrists AND neck. But could I just use my wrists? (Like for causing attraction or giving off a sexy vibe with ammo? The target would know it’s me right?) ---
**Author:** ![echo115](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@echo115](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/echo115)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2012, 9:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/14 "2012-02-28T21:44:48Z")
perhaps slightly off topic but is there a reason IO 30ml bottle is only special order? It would awesome to get even a togo bottle in 2x but 30ml is like 119 special order only. Just wondering if someone knows why that is. ---
**Author:** ![maxx55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8491ac/32.png) [@maxx55](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/maxx55)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2012, 6:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/15 "2012-03-01T18:56:08Z")
One more thing. I just discovered that mones should be kept at a certain temp. If I keep my togos (like 2 or 3) in my pocket through the day to have them handy, does that effect them badly? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2012, 8:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/16 "2012-03-01T20:13:48Z")
You can wear the mones wherever you want: > [@Application points 101: a guide to where on the body to apply pheromones](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/application-points-101/53343): > > Originally found here: [Application points 101: chest, neck and ears, and taming -none products under a shirt](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/application-points-101/52170) Application Points 101 You gesture your hand with precision, moving across the audiences olfactory senses, with every calculated move, you enhance their senses and draw them in. You smile as you move around the room, trailing behind you the scent, people look around and spot you, from the corner of your eye, you spot a women, possibly of your dreams for that night. You draw her in wit… I mainly use neck,throat,behind the ears,back of neck, forearms and wrists depending and the none mainly goes on near the centre eg each side of neck/throat whilst the socials/status start from the forearms/wrists and work-in. This does seem to key-in better with my natural sig, promote the right diffusion and follow the desired pattern of interaction - ie the strongest none effect is when someone is cuddled into me. IG - I’d say it is far better for someone your age and its the A314 that can get taken as older, stuffy, standoffish and remote - esp by younger women. IO - There are shortages of certain molecules. AD has hiked the price and restricted sale pro-tem. I hope it changes. Storage. Mones are very very resilient, so temperature is seldom an issue. Certainly putting them in your pocket won’t matter. Even gloveboxes on scorching summer days are no great bother - although some scent components may suffer. more important you keep them dark. Literally hundreds of threads on this, so whoever was on about a “certain temp” is talking out their arse! ---
**Author:** ![echo115](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@echo115](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/echo115)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2012, 9:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/17 "2012-03-01T21:55:17Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > IO - There are shortages of certain molecules. AD has hiked the price and restricted sale pro-tem. I hope it changes. Explains things, thanks for clearly that up ---
**Author:** ![maxx55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8491ac/32.png) [@maxx55](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/maxx55)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2012, 6:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/18 "2012-03-04T06:45:40Z")
How can I become a reporting user? I definitely want to. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2012, 7:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/19 "2012-03-04T07:18:51Z")
Just keep reporting your results, good or bad, regularly and accurately. Steve will let you know when you make the grade. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 4:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/20 "2012-03-05T04:10:41Z")
> [@](#): > > For those that dont know I’m 16 and currently in HS. I have a few questions and concerns before I make my first purchase today 😃 Your profile says 22 not that we care its just best to have the correct age so when you report the information is accurate especially if you want to be a reporting user unless you want to mention your age in every report. > [@](#): > > 1. I understand that I must be congruent with my pheromone sig. That’s no problem. But also I read that I cant change my phero from one day to the next (like A314 one day and Spaceland the next) and that if I do I’ll get ghosting and I have completely messed up with my target. Is this true? Dont know where you heard this but its untrue. All mones communicate something about you. While some mones are more prone to being indentifiers other lean more to signaling your state of mind. A314 is more an indentifier. Its says something about your personality and biology while spaceland says something about your mood and state of mind. It has a lot of to with phero combining and steering. > [@](#): > > 1. Consumer line products I’m interested in: Ammo, IG, IO, IJ, IS, A314, CTTM2 (Looking for positive self effects and attraction from girls 14-16, a “badass, date me, alpha vibe”) My opinion is IJ is to strong for you at 16 and girld really dont dig the aggressive vibe in that age group. They are looking for mature boys. IG or A314 would be alright for a base then steer with the others. > [@](#): > > 1. I understand that samples are sometimes sent with orders. Could I request something specific? Yes some people do and if they have it they will try to send it. > [@](#): > > 1. From what I know, an oil based phero lasts wayy longer than a spray. Can I convert my sprays into oils somehow to have them last practicaly all day? No these are already mixed in alcohol. > [@](#): > > 1. At my age would A1 help with the vibe I want to give off? Is it useless for me? Or only useful in combo with other pheros? > If you can answer any of these questions, I’d be really thankful. Also don’t discourage me from using some of stuff like A314, I’d rather have advice on how I could buffer it to make it work. Yes A1 is fine for your age however I wouldnt use to much of it. Buy something like dial magnetic which has a low safe manageable amount of A1. Buffer A314 in a 3/1 ratio with something social like IO or Ishine. > [@](#): > > Two more things: Can “female” pheros be used effectively by me? ( [TAL](https://pheromonelabs.com/) ) Is thinking outside the box like this useful for this kind of thing? Yes but you use it to steer not as a base. As far as having to use it on the neck to “ground” it to the user… No and you can wear it on your wrists however your wrists are not the most diffuses place for mones nor do you sweat naturally from them much. Tisha [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610.md?page=2)