# First purchase at 16: switching pheromones day to day, and which products to buy **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 17, 2012, 7:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610 "2012-02-17T19:47:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![maxx55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8491ac/32.png) [@maxx55](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/maxx55)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 9:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/21 "2012-03-05T09:39:07Z")
Thanks tisha šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![maxx55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8491ac/32.png) [@maxx55](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/maxx55)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 8:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/22 "2012-03-08T20:41:05Z")
I read: Basically if you want IH Extreme all you need to do is buy IH 4X and mix it with 50% oil. Can someone confirm if this is true? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 3:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/23 "2012-03-09T03:22:25Z")
> [@maxx55](#): > > I read: Basically if you want IH Extreme all you need to do is buy IH 4X and mix it with 50% oil. Can someone confirm if this is true? I would say dont mix it with oil. Oil is just going to slow the diffusion. Just get IH 4X its still not extreme but it is more potent. Be sure your prepared to hear what others have to say though LOL. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 10:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/24 "2012-03-09T10:43:04Z")
> [@maxx55](#): > > I read: Basically if you want IH Extreme all you need to do is buy IH 4X and mix it with 50% oil. Can someone confirm if this is true? Wrong. From what I understand about oil mixing, depending on the phero you would need from 7x to 20+x concentration compared to alcohol in order to make a viable mix. Any less than that and the diffusion would be slowed to near-pointless levels. However, if you can still get/afford it, IH 4x is a very worthwhile product - Iā€™m guarding my remaining 3/4 bottle carefully. ---
**Author:** ![maxx55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8491ac/32.png) [@maxx55](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/maxx55)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 1:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/25 "2012-03-09T13:57:25Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Wrong. From what I understand about oil mixing, depending on the phero you would need from 7x to 20+x concentration compared to alcohol in order to make a viable mix. > > Any less than that and the diffusion would be slowed to near-pointless levels. > > However, if you can still get/afford it, IH 4x is a very worthwhile product - Iā€™m guarding my remaining 3/4 bottle carefully. Thanks for the clarification. Also, I remember before reading the 2x or 4x just meant there was more in the bottle, but I assume now that it means more [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) (higher concentration) per bottle, right? And also whatā€™s the general rule for re-applying mones later in the day after 4-6hrs? And does the rule hold the same for none products like Ammo (since its sticky)? ---
**Author:** ![maxx55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8491ac/32.png) [@maxx55](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/maxx55)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2012, 9:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/26 "2012-03-17T21:16:36Z")
Iā€™m planning on using P75 (solo) and then try it with [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/). What concentration of P75 should I get? Some report attraction at lower dosages some say you have to use 30 mcg. If I get 2.5 mcg 30ml, I can also get an IO togo. So for a HS guy, would lower P75 amounts be best for attraction? Or should I still go for higher dosages? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2012, 5:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/27 "2012-03-18T17:10:43Z")
I think lower may well be better for a younger guy - Iā€™ve been getting good results around younger women with 5 and 7.5mcg with good social moderation. Rasing it to 10/12.5mcg brings the hit-range into the late 20s/30s nicely. Higher doses just got people getting edgy and well away from me and the reports Iā€™ve read suggest you need a lot of socials alongside. ---
**Author:** ![maxx55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8491ac/32.png) [@maxx55](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/maxx55)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2012, 6:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/28 "2012-03-18T18:00:14Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > I think lower may well be better for a younger guy - Iā€™ve been getting good results around younger women with 5 and 7.5mcg with good social moderation. Rasing it to 10/12.5mcg brings the hit-range into the late 20s/30s nicely. > > Higher doses just got people getting edgy and well away from me and the reports Iā€™ve read suggest you need a lot of socials alongside. Thanks. I just ordered the 5mcg 30ml of [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) along with IO togo and IS togo. Iā€™ll start with 2.5 mcg and go up from there. Iā€™ve read reports that are all over the place with this. The only thing consistent is that it gets attraction (dose is different throughout different reports, but attraction is possible even at 2.5) and it has great self effects (most of the time starting at 2.5). Some people have gone up to 30 and get noticably INCREASED attraction from girls and Iā€™ve read it works on girls 25 to even under 18. Iā€™m really excited about this. On another note: I read IO has a hidden romantic love property/effect to it. How can I bring it out? Or will it be there but very subtle? ---
**Author:** ![maxx55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8491ac/32.png) [@maxx55](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/maxx55)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2012, 8:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/29 "2012-03-20T08:50:16Z")
How can I mix alpha androstenol and clary sage to make a spaceland copy? Is there a certain proportion or something? And also does the clary sage oil effect diffusion? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2012, 9:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/30 "2012-03-20T09:31:36Z")
Try searching that out - There is a thread where someone gives a recipe. The only thing I can remember OTOH is that 50mcg alphanol was advised. ---
**Author:** ![maxx55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8491ac/32.png) [@maxx55](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/maxx55)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 3:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/31 "2012-03-21T15:37:15Z")
I just found out after reading so many great things about P86 that itā€™s not stocked anymore. Thatā€™s a huge bummer. Has anyone found an effective replacement? Iā€™m very interested in itā€™s crush and beautifcation side effects. ---
**Author:** ![maxx55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8491ac/32.png) [@maxx55](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/maxx55)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2012, 9:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/32 "2012-03-22T09:10:58Z")
Can someone please clearly define the behaviour traits of a beta male, omega(?) male, and alpha male. Can people really consistently fit under one label? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2012, 10:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/33 "2012-03-22T10:06:36Z")
> [@maxx55](#): > > Can someone please clearly define the behaviour traits of a beta male, omega(?) male, and alpha male. Can people really consistently fit under one label? That is **not** a quick question! šŸ˜® šŸ˜® šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![THE\_GHOST](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_ghost/32/1990_2.png) [@THE\_GHOST](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/THE_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2012, 11:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/34 "2012-03-22T11:56:50Z")
> [@maxx55](#): > > I just found out after reading so many great things about P86 that itā€™s not stocked anymore. Thatā€™s a huge bummer. Has anyone found an effective replacement? Iā€™m very interested in itā€™s crush and beautifcation side effects. For beautification effects try Androstatrione, Androstetrione or DHEAS. For crush effect try a mix of A1, p83 and an ERone based product like IG. ---
**Author:** ![maxx55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8491ac/32.png) [@maxx55](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/maxx55)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2012, 12:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/35 "2012-03-22T12:46:28Z")
> [@THE\_GHOST](#): > > For beautification effects try Androstatrione, Androstetrione or DHEAS. > For crush effect try a mix of A1, p83 and an ERone based product like IG. Thanks. Do those beautification pheros have consistent self effects and effects on others? In your experience do you like them over P86? ---
**Author:** ![Marihino](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marihino/32/1286_2.png) [@Marihino](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Marihino)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2012, 4:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/36 "2012-03-22T16:37:16Z")
Michael Jordan wore size 13 shoes. If I wear size 13 shoes, will I play better basketball than I do now? maxx55, I see you like to categorize. You have been suggested some pheromones that could get you get the ā€œbeautificationā€ effect youā€™ve been inquiring about, and you called them ā€œbeautification pherosā€ šŸ˜‰ You asked about definitions of alpha, beta, and omega. I could just say thatā€™s the pecking order. You can be alpha at home and omega at work. Or the other way round. Early on, scientists categorized animals into mammals, birds, reptiles, fish etcā€¦ Yet there is platypus, that has fur and feeds its young ones with milk, but also has a duck-like beak and lays eggs. Does it mean that all those categories are invalid? No, but it shows how categorizing is always just an attempt to describe reality in a simpler way, at cost of inaccuracy. You also ask many questions about precise dosages and effects of certain putatives. You specifically asked about ā€œthe bestā€ mcg dosage of P75, because the reports are not consistent. Well, thatā€™s what putatives are. They are either not tested enough, or despite testing, donā€™t give consistent enough results to answer this sort of question. In fact, they are available, so _you_ can test and report. You started this a few weeks ago, did you honestly have enough time to test at least four consumer line products for sweet spots and basic effects on their own and in all possible combinations and ratios? I know that all those experimones and putatives sound tempting, but after more than a year of using this stuff, now I can tell that A314 doesnā€™t surprise me anymore, at least it didnā€™t for last couple of months. I learned how to use it, I learned how to recognize effects, I know when I can wear 10 drops and when itā€™s better to stick to just one. My first putative was P74, a few months ago, and having used two 30ml bottles, I still scratch my head over it. Even though itā€™s one of the better documented putatives. But guess what, its consistency of results is nowhere near the consumer line products. Another thing, whether we talk about a putative or not, there is no such thing as a right dosage. We are all different. Pheromones send an unconscious signal. How it will be received, depends on great many variables. Not only your age, body language, all that congruence stuff that everyone here talks about etc, but also weather, air circulation, and even (thatā€™s probably one of the most important factors) your targetā€™s emotional state. I work occasionally with many good chefs, two of my favourite are very different to each other. One is an archetypical alpha male. Very confident, intense, sort of aggresive even sometimes. He even smells like androsterone. I can wear 8 drops of A314 around him (pretty sure I could wear more, just havenā€™t so far) and the more I wear, the more he loves me and goes all buddy-buddy with me and says how relaxed and composed I always am. The other one, even though is a more successful businessman, is much more shy, goes all red when speaking to someone he doesnā€™t know well, has defensive, closed body language etc. He very visibly doesnā€™t like me to be around when I wear any more A314 than one single drop. And even then, I try to soften it with something more social, smile a lot and give him some public appraisal to make him comfortable with my company. Itā€™s the same thing with every other [pheromone product](https://a314.com/shop/). Well, whatā€™s the same is that itā€™s all different. Thatā€™s the beauty of this adventure - itā€™s never the same. ---
**Author:** ![maxx55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8491ac/32.png) [@maxx55](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/maxx55)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2012, 6:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/37 "2012-03-22T18:16:18Z")
Thanks. Normally I try to see otherā€™s results and pick what I should try out based on that so I have an idea to know what may happen. At the same time I know I might receive completely different responses. But yeah, youā€™re right. It really is an unpredictable adventure šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![maxx55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8491ac/32.png) [@maxx55](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/maxx55)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 2:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/38 "2012-04-01T14:17:47Z")
Has anyone had any experience with P96 and it assisting to start a LTR. Or what affect it has on an already established LTR? ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 8:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/39 "2012-05-13T08:05:05Z")
Iā€™m interested in how varying the signature can affect and confuse others.. Do you guys have any experiences (or point to posts about this) ? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 9:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610/40 "2012-05-13T09:21:51Z")
Put simply, different people can respond very differently to different phero mixes. Iā€™ve told the story before of a woman who suffered from considerable social anxiety who responded so well to my [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/)-based sig and lost virtually all her considerable inhibitions but who went the absolute opposite way when exposed to me with an A314-based sig, to the point of being cowed/awed and utterly reticent. Then tried a 297/314 sig around her and her lot and frankly, nobody knew how to take me at all - people who had previously responded well to one or the other did not do at all well when exposed to this mix. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-purchase-at-16-switching-pheromones-day-to-day-and-which-products-to-buy/54610.md?page=1)