# First Putative Experiment with P83 **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 13, 2008, 5:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-putative-experiment-with-p83/11099 "2008-04-13T17:16:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![E\_J](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/2bfe46/32.png) [@E\_J](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/E_J)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2008, 5:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-putative-experiment-with-p83/11099/1 "2008-04-13T17:16:26Z")
OK this is my first putative purchase and I’m thinking [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) and log my results as a stand alone and as a combo, what would be the recommended mcg’s that I should get I was thinking 15mcg but then I don’t know if it is “too high” before I find my sweet spot, so maybe 10? or get the 15mcg dillute it? Any help, tips and advice will be greatly appreciate it. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![ntr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/898d66/32.png) [@ntr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ntr)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2008, 7:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-putative-experiment-with-p83/11099/2 "2008-04-13T19:20:30Z")
I’m interested in p83 also. I have a bottle of the 10mcg, so far I’ve used it 2 times by itself. Both times I’ve applied 2 sprays, one to goatee and one to forehead/hair. From what little experience I have, I think 10 or 15mcg would be fine. I haven’t noticed any unwanted effects yet, although it is early for me to tell what kind of effects it’s having. I opted for unfragranced, and I really don’t smell anything at all after it dries. I don’t know how much difference the added fragrance would make, but I really like it being unscented. ---
**Author:** ![E\_J](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/2bfe46/32.png) [@E\_J](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/E_J)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2008, 10:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-putative-experiment-with-p83/11099/3 "2008-04-13T22:28:36Z")
So does a 10mcg [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) sound ok to start experimenting? or should I go higher in mcg’s? ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2008, 11:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-putative-experiment-with-p83/11099/4 "2008-04-13T23:13:30Z")
> [@E\_J](#): > > So does a 10mcg P83 sound ok to start experimenting? or should I go higher in mcg’s? If you don’t intend to do any mixing with it, 15 mcg/spray is a good start. If you transfer [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) at 15 mcg/spray from 30 ml bottle to an empty to-go bottle you will get exactly 12.5 mcg/spray from the to-go bottle. That way you can even try intermediate dosages like 12.5, 15, 25, 30 etc. For mixing 30 mcg or higher maybe a better choice.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mockingbird](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mockingbird/32/1790_2.png) [@mockingbird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2008, 11:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-putative-experiment-with-p83/11099/5 "2008-04-13T23:54:40Z")
Personally I didn’t notice much by using up to 22.5 mcg of p83 alone. But it might just be me since other members reported great stuff from 83 ---
**Author:** ![E\_J](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/2bfe46/32.png) [@E\_J](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/E_J)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2008, 12:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-putative-experiment-with-p83/11099/6 "2008-04-14T00:36:00Z")
> [@](#): > > If you don’t intend to do any mixing with it, 15 mcg/spray is a good start. If you transfer P83 at 15 mcg/spray from 30 ml bottle to an empty to-go bottle you will get exactly 12.5 mcg/spray from the to-go bottle. Sound like a good idea! Thanks man > [@](#): > > I didn’t notice much by using up to 22.5 mcg of p83 alone Yeah that’s what I’ve heard, but you do mention alone, have you had any luck when layering with other pheros? ---
**Author:** ![mockingbird](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mockingbird/32/1790_2.png) [@mockingbird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2008, 1:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-putative-experiment-with-p83/11099/7 "2008-04-14T01:38:15Z")
I tried this with ammo, not many times, since i won’t know if the results are from p83 or ammo, probably ammo anyways cauz it is pretty strong product ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2008, 3:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-putative-experiment-with-p83/11099/8 "2008-04-14T03:03:03Z")
> [@mockingbird](#): > > I tried this with ammo, not many times, since i won’t know if the results are from p83 or ammo, probably ammo anyways cauz it is pretty strong product If you know the normal/typical reactions reactions [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) generates for you, then add P83, you should be able to gauge how the added P83 is impacting or changing those reactions. ---
**Author:** ![mockingbird](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mockingbird/32/1790_2.png) [@mockingbird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2008, 11:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-putative-experiment-with-p83/11099/9 "2008-04-14T23:27:54Z")
Ammo and p83 are both supposed to be kind of sexual, so pretty hard to tell them apart when you see the some hit. Its not like with 2 completely different product, that have obviously different results ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2008, 1:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-putative-experiment-with-p83/11099/10 "2008-04-15T01:37:45Z")
I don’t think I’ve worn them both together, but I have used both. And while I haven’t really tried to compare one against the other, from the times I did wear them separately, my impression was that Ammo seems to elicit a more direct effect, while P83 seems to bring more of a flirtatious type behavior. Or put another way, Ammo helps create interest and encourages women to want to get to know you, while P83 creates an atmosphere of them acting more flirtatious and trying to make you want to get to know them.