# First Test! Need a SPEEDY point in the right direction... **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 29, 2013, 4:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-test-need-a-speedy-point-in-the-right-direction/59673 "2013-07-29T16:56:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2013, 4:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-test-need-a-speedy-point-in-the-right-direction/59673/1 "2013-07-29T16:56:51Z")
I’m about to place an overnight order for a few travel sizes… AMMO, Shine, and likely IO, as these seem to be a Very popular mix. Long story short, I’m helping an ex-gf pack up and get to the airport Friday morning. I’ll have some time helping her load the vehicle, about an hour in the car ride, and then some time at the airport unloading and checking bags… I’m still madly in Love with her, but her feelings are conflicted… there’s still love and attraction, but commitment is an issue. So, what combination? how many sprays? I don’t want to come on too strong (hence no TUTH), but I’d love it if she couldn’t get me out of her head the rest of the day… THANKS! ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 2:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-test-need-a-speedy-point-in-the-right-direction/59673/2 "2013-07-30T02:24:34Z")
At 31 a bit of TUTH would be fine - unless she’s very young. Women get used to more overt signatures as they age and you give-off less none, so it all balances out. But we can’t really say what dose to use as all sorts of personal factors apply but at 31, 2-3 sprays [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/), 2 IS and 1-2 IO would not seem that unreasonable to start with. ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 2:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-test-need-a-speedy-point-in-the-right-direction/59673/3 "2013-07-30T02:33:13Z")
She is younger than I am, by 5 years, so I’m considering the mid-20’s range and thus worried about over doing the -none. Thanks for the suggestions, would love to hear from others too. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 2:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-test-need-a-speedy-point-in-the-right-direction/59673/4 "2013-07-30T02:50:18Z")
Mid 20s should be fine. That’s about the age when they start to move towards more overt sigs. Also that she’s got history with you, so is already used to your own sig and more likely to be comfortable with a more sexual feel around you - but yes it would be right then to start with Ammo/socials, then introduce the TUTH as things ease-up. If commitment is an issue, maybe steer clear of heavy status products around her FTM. A314 can give you lots of attractive status qualities, yes but it can also come-off as too serious/relationship-minded as well. Which is not good if she’s not in that place yet. A lighter status product like IG or an all-out fun mix like [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) can be more in-tune here. ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 5:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-test-need-a-speedy-point-in-the-right-direction/59673/5 "2013-07-30T05:21:12Z")
Good call all around, as she’s aware that I’m still head over heels for her… i certainly don’t need help giving off that vibe. Like I said, just enough so that when I walk away and she gets on the plane I’m the only thing she can think about. Knowing how she has dealt with our split up till now will make it quite easy to pin point any changes in her demeanor after testing the ammo/socials… I will update if anything noticeable (or not) occurs. ---
**Author:** ![heymixx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/49beb7/32.png) [@heymixx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/heymixx)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 5:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-test-need-a-speedy-point-in-the-right-direction/59673/6 "2013-07-30T05:57:32Z")
In my experience with my ex, a little ammo goes a long way. I used about 2 sprays of ammo one day, and didn’t think it was still noticeable, low and behold when I dropped of my son later than day (about 6-8 hours after initial application) she gave me a hug and lingered on it because she could smell my neck (application point). Needless to say we got back together a short time after that.. although that was shortlived for other reasons. Sometimes ex’s are called that for a reason. So.. maybe less is more, because caking on the mones might send the signal you’re only after one thing.. you know what I’m talking about. 2 spray Ammo, 1 IS and 1 IO is my suggestion. Even one spray of ammo since you’re going to be close in the car. Whatever you decide to combo with, let us know how things went! I’m sure many of the other men are interested in hearing about it because there might be some in similiar situations. ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 6:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-test-need-a-speedy-point-in-the-right-direction/59673/7 "2013-07-30T06:16:37Z")
Absolutely… I don’t want to come on too strong, the attraction is already there, the love is already there, i just want to break through the walls she’s put up since the split. She’s a stubborn girl, and when she made her decision she also decided to try and ignore the feelings she still felt, rather than fess up to them. In any case, less is more. Copy! I will report back… ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 6:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-test-need-a-speedy-point-in-the-right-direction/59673/8 "2013-07-30T06:44:52Z")
Stubborn eh…? I’m wondering if some [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) disinhibition or TAC-related gooffyness might be in order at some point? Both are good-solid secondary mones, read-up on them! 😃 > [@sharkndragon](#): > > as she’s aware that I’m still head over heels for her… i certainly don’t need help giving off that vibe. This could go against you - You can come-off as needy, wanting, supplicating etc, which will not help you one bit. Maybe you should start to cultivate an air of having subtly moved-on (or at least have other options) and not being just where she might want you. This may sound counter-intuitive but it can lead to a remarkable repositioning of attraction in exes. ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 7:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-test-need-a-speedy-point-in-the-right-direction/59673/9 "2013-07-30T07:04:25Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > This could go against you - You can come-off as needy, wanting, supplicating etc, which will not help you one bit. Maybe you should start to cultivate an air of having subtly moved-on (or at least have other options) and not being just where she might want you. This may sound counter-intuitive but it can lead to a remarkable repositioning of attraction in exes. Oh believe me, I’ve come to that conclusion as well, and have since laid off… taking the “friend” route and trying to (as you say) cultivate an air of being content with things. The airport trip this Friday was Her idea, actually, so that is proof enough that she’s comfortable with seeing me and allowing me to help her, which would likely Not be happening if she felt I was being needy or overbearing. Thank You! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![heymixx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/49beb7/32.png) [@heymixx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/heymixx)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 7:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-test-need-a-speedy-point-in-the-right-direction/59673/10 "2013-07-30T07:35:20Z")
Hope you get some free p102, that may really come in handy in the car. I heard it amplifies the senses, so in a close environment like this it could trigger more effects than usual. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 8:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-test-need-a-speedy-point-in-the-right-direction/59673/11 "2013-07-30T08:03:30Z")
> [@sharkndragon](#): > > Oh believe me, I’ve come to that conclusion as well, and have since laid off… taking the “friend” route and trying to (as you say) cultivate an air of being content with things. The airport trip this Friday was Her idea, actually, so that is proof enough that she’s comfortable with seeing me and allowing me to help her, which would likely Not be happening if she felt I was being needy or overbearing. > > Thank You! 🙂 Great - but you still need to keep some tension going. Again, being that ex/guy/friend who just does things is not the best place to be. I have known quite a few women over the years who made full and frequent use of the skills/services of plenty guys whom they were fully aware were smitten - and those guys would never get anywhere, even if there were varying degrees of history involved. ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 8:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-test-need-a-speedy-point-in-the-right-direction/59673/12 "2013-07-30T08:36:41Z")
> [@heymixx](#): > > Hope you get some free p102, that may really come in handy in the car. I heard it amplifies the senses, so in a close environment like this it could trigger more effects than usual. Oh? How does one go about getting freebies? ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 8:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-test-need-a-speedy-point-in-the-right-direction/59673/13 "2013-07-30T08:39:12Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Great - but you still need to keep some tension going. Again, being that ex/guy/friend who just does things is not the best place to be. > > I have known quite a few women over the years who made full and frequent use of the skills/services of plenty guys whom they were fully aware were smitten - and those guys would never get anywhere, even if there were varying degrees of history involved. Well, my motives aren’t All directed at renewing something. I Am a nice guy, in the end, and I do jump at the opportunity to help friends, regardless of whether or not I used to date them. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 9:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-test-need-a-speedy-point-in-the-right-direction/59673/14 "2013-07-30T09:35:31Z")
Just wait and see what gets added to your order - They usually include something of interest. Lately it has tended to be P102 or [P130](https://a314.com/product/p130/) - both of which could be useful in your situation. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 9:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-test-need-a-speedy-point-in-the-right-direction/59673/15 "2013-07-30T09:36:33Z")
Awesome!! Can’t wait… Now just waiting on the $25 gift cert! ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 9:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-test-need-a-speedy-point-in-the-right-direction/59673/16 "2013-07-30T09:54:54Z")
Ok, i’ve solidified my shopping cart… for the first round, anyway, but have some questions.. AMMO: Should I attempt the original FF21, or go for the lighter FF22 world edition? Would you recommened mixing with IH or IO or both? EDIT: After just a bit more reading, I’ll be going with the Summer edition AMMO, definitely not the original, and I believe I’m going to pair it with IH. 1-2 sprays AMMO, 1-2 sprays IH should get the ball rolling in the right direction. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 11:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-test-need-a-speedy-point-in-the-right-direction/59673/17 "2013-07-30T11:13:37Z")
Personally, I far prefer the FF22 scent, although I can’t deny FF21 has better diffusion. However, you don’t have any problems getting close to her, so the extra range of FF21 won’t be missed. Again, as you already know her, IH is probably the better choice. ITs “connection”/sharing/bonding properties are superb, which is far better than IO’s tendency to talking drivel - Its main purpose is getting conversation going in the first place. [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) is the best scent of the lot IMO and its extra molecules - TAA and P130 help a lot. IH will combine well and IH/TAA (or Instant Shine) is one of the basic “fallout” combos that again help with connection. The P130 in the mix is a comforting/carfree/light disinhibitor but at 31, you may find a little extra Androstenone (eg TUTH) is useful to bolster it. ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 11:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-test-need-a-speedy-point-in-the-right-direction/59673/18 "2013-07-30T11:26:58Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Personally, I far prefer the FF22 scent, although I can’t deny FF21 has better diffusion. However, you don’t have any problems getting close to her, so the extra range of FF21 won’t be missed. > > Again, as you already know her, IH is probably the better choice. ITs “connection”/sharing/bonding properties are superb, which is far better than IO’s tendency to talking drivel - Its main purpose is getting conversation going in the first place. > > Summer Ammo is the best scent of the lot IMO and its extra molecules - TAA and P130 help a lot. IH will combine well and IH/TAA (or Instant Shine) is one of the basic “fallout” combos that again help with connection. The P130 in the mix is a comforting/carfree/light disinhibitor but at 31, you may find a little extra Androstenone (eg TUTH) is useful to bolster it. Thank You, that’s a fantastic summary. A little “fallout” is the best case scenario I could hope for… she’s leaving for a two week vacation to spend time with family in CA. Feeling the fallout effect and then literally NOT being able to see me at all may play out well… daydreaming, yearning, needing etc. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, afterall. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 11:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-test-need-a-speedy-point-in-the-right-direction/59673/19 "2013-07-30T11:44:15Z")
It usually takes a while for fallout to set-in, with repeated exposure/withdrawal/re-exposure to the same mix. So this would be just a start - You only very rarely see it from just one exposure, although a significant/sudden increase in closeness might manifest itself. ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2013, 7:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-test-need-a-speedy-point-in-the-right-direction/59673/20 "2013-07-31T07:37:36Z")
Well I have some unfortunate news. My Friday morning trip to the airport has been cancelled, thus, so has this promising experiment. Ah well, it won’t be the last time I see her, that’s for sure… it’ll at least allow me some time to test and log results in other situations. I appreciate all of the information and feedback though. This is only the beginning… [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-test-need-a-speedy-point-in-the-right-direction/59673.md?page=2)