# First time using IO - Relationship ended. Advice? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 18, 2013, 1:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825 "2013-08-18T13:01:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2013, 4:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/41 "2013-08-21T04:32:38Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > That’s how you know you have met someone who **really** likes you - it gets very simple indeed. Even then I’d say you still need to keep watching your back somewhat. > > I must say that I’m getting a whiff of insecurity/self-validation or just plain attention-seeking behaviour here - and all your replying to her is simply massaging her ego - which will get worse if you keep engaging with her and will get into an ever increasing spiral with her sending-out even more mixed signals, and leave you more mindfucked/confused about how to deal with them. Throw a spanner in this now! 🙂 Ah I see 🙂 Well I didn’t reply to anything last night and she sent me another message this morning: “Ah well, have fun in the US! Don’t come back a fat american lol” How should i throw a spanner in it? 🙂 PS - I think you hit the nail on the head with the insecure + attention-seeking comment. She’s definitely insecure and shy at times. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2013, 5:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/42 "2013-08-21T05:46:18Z")
> [@ThePheroNoob](#): > > Ah I see 🙂 > > Well I didn’t reply to anything last night and she sent me another message this morning: > “Ah well, have fun in the US! Don’t come back a fat american lol” > > How should i throw a spanner in it? 🙂 > > PS - I think you hit the nail on the head with the insecure + attention-seeking comment. She’s definitely insecure and shy at times. Probably too late. But it sounds like your problem is fixed. Just stop thinking with your MALE MEMBER. “If I do come back a fat Ameican, you better love me anyway, feed me lots of ice cream, and rub my belly and sing to me when I’m nice and full until I fall asleep!” Glad you’re back in the saddle, and I hope you enjoy/ed your vacation! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2013, 6:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/43 "2013-08-21T06:01:37Z")
The simplest way is what you are doing - stop engaging with it and giving her the validation she craves. Keep all contact to a minimum and don’t get into discussing any issues till its time for you to see her again and then, leave her wanting/guessing. ---
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2013, 7:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/44 "2013-08-21T07:00:19Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > The simplest way is what you are doing - stop engaging with it and giving her the validation she craves. Keep all contact to a minimum and don’t get into discussing any issues till its time for you to see her again and then, leave her wanting/guessing. Well she just texted me the same stuff, “hope you have fun in the US, etc”. Before she was sending me FB messages and I didn’t reply to them. I think i’ll send her a final text when I reach the airport. If I were to be myself, I’d say something like “Thanks, see you when I get back 🙂”, but obviously it’ll just give her the validation she craves and take away the “guessing” part of the game. Any suggestions as to what I should say? She’s never spammed me like this before and it’s kind of unattractive! ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2013, 2:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/45 "2013-08-21T14:45:27Z")
You are learning! - Its more often the other way round. Smitten guys spamming/pursuing/laying themselves all-out to women to the point where all attraction/interest gets burned out. TBH, it sounds to me like you have said enough already and as she’s still looking for validation/further interest, I’d not send a thing - you will likely see her go-up a notch or three still and even get angry/desperate for your attention - don’t worry. That’s when I’d send **one** brief text and keep it at that till you get the chance to see her again. ---
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2013, 4:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/46 "2013-08-21T16:32:55Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > You are learning! - Its more often the other way round. Smitten guys spamming/pursuing/laying themselves all-out to women to the point where all attraction/interest gets burned out. > > TBH, it sounds to me like you have said enough already and as she’s still looking for validation/further interest, I’d not send a thing - you will likely see her go-up a notch or three still and even get angry/desperate for your attention - don’t worry. That’s when I’d send **one** brief text and keep it at that till you get the chance to see her again. Great! 🙂 Well, I’m heading to the airport in 3 hours so I should probably send her something before I leave. She might lose interest after 2 weeks? I personally don’t _want_ to send her anything until I get back because I want to keep her in this “craving for attention” state. What exactly should I send her before I leave? Feel free to jump in **M&M** ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2013, 4:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/47 "2013-08-21T16:55:41Z")
> [@ThePheroNoob](#): > > Great! 🙂 > > Well, I’m heading to the airport in 3 hours so I should probably send her something before I leave. She might lose interest after 2 weeks? > > I personally don’t _want_ to send her anything until I get back because I want to keep her in this “craving for attention” state. > > What exactly should I send her before I leave? > > Feel free to jump in **M&M** > [@ThePheroNoob](#): > > “Ah well, have fun in the US! Don’t come back a fat american lol” HaHa! I had written something earlier, and then I seen you were NOT talking to me, so I deleted it. I thought you were already here in America. 🙄 I had written a response to the FAT AMERICAN comment. _ **“Well, I’m gone; and if I do come back as a fat American, you better be ready to feed me lots of ice cream until I’m full, and rub my fat belly and sing to me until I fall asleep.”** _ Whatever you decide, don’t put nothing too long, and don’t say anything about YOUR feelings. Sounds like she’ll be waiting watching for your GOOD BYE text, so send one just before take off, so you can’t respond to her response. LAST SAY WINS, or something like that. 🙄 At least you know her thoughts are to be with you when you get back, but as with anything else, anything can happen in TWO WEEKS. Head up, shoulders back, chest out, and walk like you own it! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2013, 5:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/48 "2013-08-21T17:35:18Z")
> [@M\_M](#): > > HaHa! I had written something earlier, and then I seen you were talking to me, so I deleted it. I thought you were already here in America. 🙄 > > I had written a response to the FAT AMERICAN comment. > > _ **“Well, I’m gone; and if I do come back as a fat American, you better be ready to feed me lots of ice cream until I’m full, and rub my fat belly and sing to me until I fall asleep.”** _ > > Whatever you decide, don’t put nothing too long, and don’t say anything about YOUR feelings. Sounds like she’ll be waiting watching for your GOOD BYE text, so send one just before take off, so you can’t respond to her response. LAST SAY WINS, or something like that. 🙄 > > At least you know her thoughts are to be with you when you get back, but as with anything else, anything can happen in TWO WEEKS. Head up, shoulders back, chest out, and walk like you own it! 😉 I thought it was the other way around. Having the last say gives you a disadvantage since you need to wait for the other person to reply? Haha, I guess i’ll think of something funny to say on my way to the airport! Kinda want to put a sexual twist on the message. Like, “Well, I’m gone; and if i do come back a fat American, you best be ready to feed me lots of chicken until I’m full. Oh and I heard the extra fat makes things easier to manoeuvre in bed!” (She knows i love chicken 😛) ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/49 "2013-08-21T17:50:53Z")
> [@ThePheroNoob](#): > > **I thought it was the other way around. Having the last say gives you a disadvantage since you need to wait for the other person to reply?** > > Haha, I guess i’ll think of something funny to say on my way to the airport! Kinda want to put a sexual twist on the message. Like, “Well, I’m off; and if i do come back a fat American, you best be ready to feed me lots of chicken until I’m full. Oh and I heard the extra fat makes things easier to manoeuvre in bed!” (She knows i love chicken 😛) Whatever, you fat American! 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2013, 5:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/50 "2013-08-21T17:52:05Z")
> [@M\_M](#): > > Whatever, you fat American! 🙄 😛 Is the last part okay? Or does me mentioning “Bed” take away the “guessing” part of the game? ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2013, 5:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/51 "2013-08-21T17:58:45Z")
Mr. Noob, if she’s been texting you like you said she has, I don’t think it would really matter, but chicken doesn’t go with being fat. It’s pretty healthy eating if you asked me. Ice cream/cookies/candy goes with fat. You better learn how to talk shit with a sense of humor, Young Fella! You took out all the humor. _shaking my head_ 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2013, 6:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/52 "2013-08-21T18:04:08Z")
> [@M\_M](#): > > Mr. Noob, if she’s been texting you like you said she has, I don’t think it would really matter, but chicken doesn’t go with being fat. It’s pretty healthy eating if you asked me. Ice cream/cookies/candy goes with fat. You better learn how to talk shit with a sense of humor, Young Fella! You took out all the humor. _shaking my head_ 🙄 Blurgh, I’m tired! I’ll switch it to chocolate! 😉 Ok, great. I’ll send it just as the plane is taking off so I can’t see her reply until I’m back. Thanks 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2013, 9:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/53 "2013-08-21T21:53:47Z")
Decided not to be so flamboyant! Sent this: Well I’m gone, inb4 I come back saying America’s the greatest place on Earth and all that. Pfft extra fat makes it easier to maneuver in bed Okay goodbye text? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 1:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/54 "2013-08-22T01:09:05Z")
Just fine! 😃 > [@ThePheroNoob](#): > > I thought it was the other way around. Having the last say gives you a disadvantage since you need to wait for the other person to reply? Anything but! - always being ready to have the last word is exactly what puts you at an advantage. And **never** feel that you must answer every text/pick-up every call! Again, answering what you choose to answer, when **you want to** is a very important thing to learn. ---
**Author:** ![AlGem1st](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/algem1st/32/1332_2.png) [@AlGem1st](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AlGem1st)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 8:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/55 "2013-08-22T08:32:19Z")
> [@](#): > > First time using **too much TUTH/enone** - Relationship ended. Advice? FYP, and if there is one appropriate time for the saying “less is more” it’s when using TUTH/enone unbuffered. Some very wise advise from everyone here to pay heed to and when **you decide to see her** again with the way she has been texting and showing her unsure self.. Don’t be a wuss 😉 and show up with your balls intact and an A314 fallout mix containing some IH and A1 in there. > [@eibmoz](#): > > If you dont have any other mones, then 1 x Ammo + 2-3 x IH would be better than Ammo alone imo. Apply some of the IH to neck (hugs). > IH alone would be risky, with Ammo you have the erone in there which signals status/LTR material..If you could sneak **~30 mcg A1** in there..i think that would be golden. But overall i think it’s an improvement with only 1 x Ammo (less enone). > > Edit: Tisha is right. Also in the morning the erone and a-nol would have worn off and you’d be wearing ~15 mcg unbuffered none, that would hide anyone under the covers. I think your girl is in the same position as you, not understanding what went wrong, confused..but also misses you. Cheers and enjoy your Cali vacation 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 11:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/56 "2013-08-22T11:39:11Z")
If you consider going the fallout route, maybe consider some of the other mixes before you start getting into A1 - Its not really a beginners phero and a fair number of guys can have problems with it. There are several other potentially less problematic combos you could explore first that are very effective and will stand you in very good stead with this girl - eg IH/[P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) or A314/IH/P74 and even IH/IS can have light fallout properties that are well suited to a young one. Whatever you decide, ensure you read K-Train’s “A1-guide” and Kotov’s “Nuclear Fallout” threads very well before starting. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2013, 6:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/57 "2013-08-24T18:50:13Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > If you consider going the fallout route, maybe consider some of the other mixes before you start getting into A1 - Its not really a beginners phero and a fair number of guys can have problems with it. > > There are several other potentially less problematic combos you could explore first that are very effective and will stand you in very good stead with this girl - eg IH/P74 or A314/IH/P74 and even IH/IS can have light fallout properties that are well suited to a young one. > > Whatever you decide, ensure you read K-Train’s “A1-guide” and Kotov’s “Nuclear Fallout” threads very well before starting. 🙂 Awesome. I only have IH/IS and Ammo/Tuth. I also have a to-go bottle of IG. I’m thinking of a IH/IS/Ammo combo? How many sprays of each should I use? 🙂 Also, do you think I should bring something back for her? Like a little present or something. Will probably invest in some A314 towards the end of September when my student loan comes in! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2013, 7:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/58 "2013-08-24T19:32:37Z")
Leave the Ammo out - I’ve never found it effective in any fallout mix. My thinking is that alphanol detracts badly. IH/IS is a basic fallout combo by itself and will moderate TUTH. As for dose, a bit higher than normal. I used to love my 4x IH in fallout mixes! **however** - earlier in the thread, you said you just wanted to keep hooking-up with her, so think hard before you go this route - She may start getting more serious/clingy/attention-seeking/demanding than ever before and you need to be ready for that. Plus, for fallout to work, you do need **repeated exposure** , removal and re-exposure, so be ready to butt-out and be right out of touch for periods. Fallout builds over successive exposures and seldom if ever results from a single exposure. A314 is good but around 21, you should also be considering the IH/P74 combo as well. ---
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 8:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/59 "2013-08-25T08:01:20Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Leave the Ammo out - I’ve never found it effective in any fallout mix. My thinking is that alphanol detracts badly. > > IH/IS is a basic fallout combo by itself and will moderate TUTH. As for dose, a bit higher than normal. I used to love my 4x IH in fallout mixes! > > **however** - earlier in the thread, you said you just wanted to keep hooking-up with her, so think hard before you go this route - She may start getting more serious/clingy/attention-seeking/demanding than ever before and you need to be ready for that. Plus, for fallout to work, you do need **repeated exposure** , removal and re-exposure, so be ready to butt-out and be right out of touch for periods. Fallout builds over successive exposures and seldom if ever results from a single exposure. > > A314 is good but around 21, you should also be considering the IH/P74 combo as well. Ah okay, kind of wanted to do ammo because that’s what attracted her in the first place. When I left her place for the first time she was texting me and saying how her bed smelt of “me”, which was the ammo. Well I wouldn’t mind the serious/clingyness tbh. Would be a nice change because I was usually setting up all the meetups so she might start putting an effort in. What does “fallout” actually mean? How often would we need to meet up for “fallout” to build? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 11:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/60 "2013-08-25T11:02:47Z")
Fallout - when somone wants to monopolise you/latch-on to you/treats you as an authority/gets crushy. Its a pretty wide thing that can be sexual or not sepending on how you steer the mix and drive it with your personality. In this case, I don’t think you will have a problem keeping it sexual. That all depends on the individual - In some it can be very quick - as little as half a dozen exposures, whilst others need prolonged exposure over many weeks. Don’t give any credence to claims about fallout on less than three exposures - Doesn’t happen - when you adopt a fallout mix, you need to persist with it around your target for a while to allow things to build to their fullest extent. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825.md?page=2) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825.md?page=4)