# First time using IO - Relationship ended. Advice? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 18, 2013, 1:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825 "2013-08-18T13:01:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 1:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/61 "2013-08-25T13:06:17Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Fallout - when somone wants to monopolise you/latch-on to you/treats you as an authority/gets crushy. Its a pretty wide thing that can be sexual or not sepending on how you steer the mix and drive it with your personality. In this case, I don’t think you will have a problem keeping it sexual. > > That all depends on the individual - In some it can be very quick - as little as half a dozen exposures, whilst others need prolonged exposure over many weeks. Don’t give any credence to claims about fallout on less than three exposures - Doesn’t happen - when you adopt a fallout mix, you need to persist with it around your target for a while to allow things to build to their fullest extent. Sounds good! We meet up 1-2 times per week, so not that much. Will it still work? Also, how many sprays of shine should I use with the 4xsprays of IH? ---
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2013, 9:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/62 "2013-08-26T09:14:49Z")
And this is gonna sound really weird, but it’s freaking me out haha. I’ve kinda stopped thinking about her and I NEVER usually have dreams when I sleep. However, I’ve dreamt about her every night since I’ve been here! Like I pretty much stop thinking about her, but then I sleep and it ruins everything. Does that mean something? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2013, 9:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/63 "2013-08-26T09:47:56Z")
That’s perfect - A few days between each meeting and even the odd longer break is exactly what you need, with very limited contact by text/other media in between. Dose is more difficult but you don’t need a great deal. 2-4 sprays depending on other mones is what I’d use. All the dreams say is that she has caused you some emotional turmoil and your mind is trying to sort it out. Don’t worry, women do this to you and you will adapt/get used to it in time - dream away but keep your cool/the situation in perspective during waking time. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![killler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ea666f/32.png) [@killler](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/killler)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2013, 10:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/64 "2013-08-26T10:02:50Z")
> [@ThePheroNoob](#): > > Basically, I started seeing this girl. First of all I began using Ammo, before we met for the first time, she told me we’re not allowed to go on her bed. However, that soon changed and she ended up initiating a “make-out” session. The next time we met up, I used a spray of Turn up the Heat and some Ammo. She wanted to have sex we me so bad, but I wasn’t expecting it and didn’t bring any condoms so we were both frustrated! > > We met up 7 or 8 more times. I went up to 3 sprays of TuTH and 3 of Ammo. Things in bed were incredible. We had sex 10-11 times in a 24 hour window and could’ve gone on for longer, but i had run out of condoms. In the morning she was saying how she wanted to take me all over the city to show me all these amazing places she loves. She also said she was going to hop on the e-pill when I go on vacation so that I don’t have to use condoms anymore. > > However, yesterday i used Instant Openness for the first time, paired with ammo and tuth. She was incredibly distant and wasn’t acting herself. When we got in her bed she just wanted to sleep. In the morning she didn’t even want to hug me and barely said anything until I left. All I got was a hug and goodbye when I left. I usually get a long kiss + hug, etc. > > Anyways, before I left in the morning I kinda opened up to her, told her I like her etc. I asked her how she felt, but she just hid under the covers and said “I dunno”. I just said “Just lemme know when you can”. Around an hour later she messaged me saying how she “doesn’t like me enough, doesn’t feel a connection and that she feels like a massive dick for the way she treated me that night.” > > So after an incredible 3 months, everything suddenly ended. Going from “I’m hopping on the pill, i want to take you to all these places, blah blah” to “I don’t like you enough, don’t feel a connection” in time frame of 3 days. There obviously was a connection the previous nights. She was on her period a couple weeks ago so it’s definitely not that. I’m just incredibly confused. > > Thoughts? (Serious answers only please. I’m devasted.) Well,a girl I met before mones and was banging before mones has now completely blown me off,in much the same unexplained manner as your girl,after I started using mones. There have been some other factors involved into this,but it’s mighty strange what happened. I’m gonna try and get here back,she was too good a bang. We’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2013, 6:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/65 "2013-08-26T18:31:43Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > That’s perfect - A few days between each meeting and even the odd longer break is exactly what you need, with very limited contact by text/other media in between. > > Dose is more difficult but you don’t need a great deal. 2-4 sprays depending on other mones is what I’d use. > > All the dreams say is that she has caused you some emotional turmoil and your mind is trying to sort it out. Don’t worry, women do this to you and you will adapt/get used to it in time - dream away but keep your cool/the situation in perspective during waking time. 🙂 Awesome, ill go for 2X IS and 4X IH then. Any specific application points? 🙂 Went to the zoo with my family today and bought a little stuffed tiger since she loves tigers. Think it’d be okay to give it to her when I see her next? Yeah my emotions were insanely out of whack throughout the last few weeks! Thanks a lot btw, your advice is much appreciated! 🙂 > [@killler](#): > > Well,a girl I met before mones and was banging before mones has now completely blown me off,in much the same unexplained manner as your girl,after I started using mones. > > There have been some other factors involved into this,but it’s mighty strange what happened. > > I’m gonna try and get here back,she was too good a bang. > > We’ll see. Sad to hear man, which mones were you using? ---
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2013, 11:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/66 "2013-08-31T11:17:45Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > That’s perfect - A few days between each meeting and even the odd longer break is exactly what you need, with very limited contact by text/other media in between. > > Dose is more difficult but you don’t need a great deal. 2-4 sprays depending on other mones is what I’d use. > > All the dreams say is that she has caused you some emotional turmoil and your mind is trying to sort it out. Don’t worry, women do this to you and you will adapt/get used to it in time - dream away but keep your cool/the situation in perspective during waking time. 🙂 Also moobs, when I get back and tell her about my holiday, how should I phrase it? I wanna say 'yeah it was amazing" or should I just play it down and say, “it was alright”? I’m not sure how to get back in contact with her once I get back, should we go watch a movie then go back to my place or something? ---
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 2:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/67 "2013-09-10T02:34:41Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > That’s perfect - A few days between each meeting and even the odd longer break is exactly what you need, with very limited contact by text/other media in between. > > Dose is more difficult but you don’t need a great deal. 2-4 sprays depending on other mones is what I’d use. > > All the dreams say is that she has caused you some emotional turmoil and your mind is trying to sort it out. Don’t worry, women do this to you and you will adapt/get used to it in time - dream away but keep your cool/the situation in perspective during waking time. 🙂 So I got back a few days ago. She asked me how US was, I replied via text “Was amazing 🙂. You down for dinner and a movie Tuesday night at my place? I’m cooking!” Got no reply, I sent the text 2 days ago. Safe to say it’s over? ---
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/68 "2013-10-31T20:03:30Z")
UPDATE: Ex was begging me to meet up with her tonight whilst I was in another club with some friends. I sprinted roughly 2 miles, while completely drunk to meet up with her and after months of not seeing her, we finally met up. We danced on the dance floor for a while, then we walked outside and caught up. She started calling her best friend, I then turned my back to give her some privacy and spoke to some random people for about 1 minute. After that, I turned around towards her again and she had vanished… Prior to this, I told her everything was over. However, I was completely drunk when I made this decision and I regret it completely. I guess I thought I could trust her, but I turned my back for 1 minute and she vanished. Any tips guys? =/ (Any advice would be greatly appreciated) ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 6:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/69 "2013-11-01T06:38:59Z")
Head/wall interface moment - You got toyed with! Looks to me like she wanted attention - and you gave it. By rushing there ASAP, you showed that you will still jump to her call and probably just how “uninterested” you really are to her. So, after giving her all the validation/confirmation she sought, all/any of her interest shriveled like when you have a very cold shower. ---
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 6:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/70 "2013-11-01T06:41:37Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Head/wall interface moment - You got toyed with! > > Looks to me like she wanted attention - and you gave it. By rushing there ASAP, you showed that you will still jump to her call and probably just how “uninterested” you really are to her. > > So, after giving her all the validation/confirmation she sought, all/any of her interest shriveled like when you have a very cold shower. I was completely drunk when this happened, if I was sober I would never have done this. I agree, it was very very stupid of me to do that. This morning she texted me “sorry, I hope you’re not angry with me”. Should I not reply? I honestly never want to speak to her again after what happened. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 6:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/71 "2013-11-01T06:44:07Z")
I sincerely hope you don’t reply? Your being hacked-off with her or accepting/forgiving of her will only be more affirmation that she can treat you like shit and you’ll like it. Let this one stew for a bit! ---
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 6:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/72 "2013-11-01T06:45:19Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > I sincerely hope you didn’t reply? Your being hacked-off with her or accepting/forgiving of her will only be more affirmation that she can treat you like shit and you’ll like it. > > Let this one stew for a bit! I haven’t replied and I feel like never speaking to her again. There were 2 girls I could’ve been making out with in the club, but I left them to see her. I’m furious! Oh and I last night I wore: 2X Ammo 4X P83 (40mcg) - I love applying a spray to my left wrist so when I move a girls hair behind her ears, she wants to get real close 😃 3X IS 1X Tuth ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 6:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/73 "2013-11-01T06:51:23Z")
And that’s how you need to consider from now-on. That she’s at the very furthest end of you list of prospects, drunk or sober - and you need to get that over to her without seeming narked or petulant about it, otherwise, say nothing at all. ---
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 7:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/74 "2013-11-01T07:09:47Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > And that’s how you need to consider from now-on. That she’s at the very furthest end of you list of prospects, drunk or sober - and you need to get that over to her without seeming narked or petulant about it, otherwise, say nothing at all. Yeah indeed, I’ve definitely learnt my lesson now. When do you think I should respond to her? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 8:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/75 "2013-11-01T08:21:35Z")
On a chilly day in hell maybe? Seriously, if you are still thinking on contacting her, she still has her hooks in you emotionally to some degree and you must deal with that first - which can take a while. ---
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 8:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/76 "2013-11-01T08:36:04Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > On a chilly day in hell maybe? > > Seriously, if you are still thinking on contacting her, she still has her hooks in you emotionally to some degree and you must deal with that first - which can take a while. Okay, she won’t be hearing from me anytime soon! The only reason why I was hesitant in contacting her again is because I know she’s very shy. I never know whether she’s doing this maliciously or just being shy. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 8:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825/77 "2013-11-01T08:48:25Z")
That is not being shy! Quite the opposite in fact - and I’d not be at all surprised if she’s doing something like this to more guys than just you and reviling in the attention. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-time-using-io-relationship-ended-advice/59825.md?page=3)