# First timer experience **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [February 25, 2009, 6:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-timer-experience/26466 "2009-02-25T18:18:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BubbleCatcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ebca7d/32.png) [@BubbleCatcher](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BubbleCatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 6:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-timer-experience/26466/1 "2009-02-25T18:18:10Z")
Hello, this feedback from my first outings, you can find my intro thread here: > [@It been a long time!!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-been-a-long-time/26380): > > I found your forum after researching ‘Liquid Trust’, my reason for researching LT is because i am trying to get back into dating after many barren years. I don’t want to get to heavy but i suffered bad depression for may years, and last year i was diagnosed with ‘Social Anxiety Disorder’ SAD. Now i am not a wall flower and not shy when it comes to being opinionated but these days in groups and with strangers i do feel uncomfortable, and woman well the more beautiful they are the more my abilit… First i used SOE and NPA plus have some of The Edge and Perception. I have ordered some IS IO and TUTH. My first trial was into the office of company i do PC support for to attend to few issues, i know everyone in office and have known one director social for many years. In room one there was 2 males in early 30’s 1 female (alpha) in 50’s and one young girl on work experience. I did what i needed to do, there was minimal chat between everyone, was in there less then 10min. Second room, two males in 30’s 1 female in 60’s and one in late forties early fifties. This after about five min this room became very chatty and jokey, and stayed that way until i left after couple of hours. I popped into first room to check upgrade was ok and that became more chatty and had extract myself from conversation, the young girl was given eye contact which she had before. This was with SOE only, one wipe across each width of wrist and dab behind ear. Second trial was that same night, after a bath i just before i went out i put about 3" SOE rolled up inner arms and about 1" on side of neck. I also dab some NPA on one wrist and rub on other then small dab behind each ear. I then applied some Xeryus Rouge by Givenchy to cover, don’t normally use any thing like this but had this bottle around for while after being given as present and it smell nice. All this done i went off to my monday dance night, it is partner dance and start of evening is lesson where everyone revolves with each other while learning new move. You get up close with women you may have never met before and is interesting if you are into people watching as you can see lots of body language going on. Some women are friendly from the off, others if you innate, and some just seem to ignore you. Now i have to say that SOE make me feel heady and more friendly, outgoing. There was no real stampede effect but there was subtle effect on some women, got hellos from more women and a little more chat from some had not spoken to before in line up. Did not affect all women and if anything some of the older women i knew were maybe a little offish! (ghost maybe) Asked to dance ratio was maybe little lower? One guy got very territorial when i was speaking to his GF who i knew. Asian/oriental girls seemed to respond better and get closer. Had some younger girls i have not danced or spoken too come over to fan where i was to cool down, they even said hello, thought nothing of it at the time as just thought they were cooling down, but later realised they had walk passed one fan to get to the one next to me! My impression was that i felt less stressed and more willing to interact, seemed to be increase in contact with some mainly younger with couple getting closer (personal space) then they have before. Couple of older women sort of less interested then normal. It is a very hot and sweaty environment, very hot nearly got heat stroke 🙂 Third try. This is same as previous night but different venue, this time i about 4" doubled rolled up inner arm and 1" down side of neck of SOE, NPA one drop on wrist rubbed into other wrist, dab behind each each ear and one on chest. Again used Xeryus Rouge to cover. Now after this i was very heady and up for good night, dam even my dodgy back was feeling better and less stiff. When i got there a couple i knew to chat to, same boyfriend who had territorial night before, sat next to me and invited me to their wedding in may, never socialised with them before usually just say hello. Joined the class which had started and was feeling very up and still little heady, may have gone bit much as was getting this after taste in mouth and felt like i was a walking vapour cloud. Again it was mixture of responses, but leaning towards more friendly, with some just being more eye contact and some chatty. I did notice one woman take deep breath through nose, more a deep sniff. Not sure if it was just me but eye contact seemed just a little longer when it was given. After first part lesson did some free style and the women i knew were definitely more chatty, and the ones who seemed keen in past were even more keen and close. I did have a couple of SAD thoughts but managed to get passed these. It seemed that woman over 30 were more affected and those who i had already got a connection with, this seemed to get stronger. I was also feeling lot more inclined to follow this up with ones i liked. End of night got chatty with couple of older women i knew from other venue, never really chatted with them like this before, also one woman i know is keen on me, not my type, came and planted kiss on cheek as leaving and ask if was going to Thursday night venue, she had never done this before, almost a little territorial. Overall a better night then Monday and better results, both for way i felt and response from others. Have to say though it took a while to get to sleep that night, but that can happen after good night of dancing. Also not as hot as Monday so less drying off. Nothing earth shattering but the wheels seemed to be oiled better and rolled very easy. Should note Monday venue tends to be younger group then Tuesday, and just remember that some of the younger girls i danced with on Tuesday seemed a little like rabbits in headlights. Can’t want for for new order to arrive and try that. Any one tried SOE with IS and IO? Though will probably just try IS and IO with maybe bit of NPA. cheers ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 6:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-timer-experience/26466/2 "2009-02-25T18:39:09Z")
Nice experiments and observations. > [@carp](#): > > Nothing earth shattering but the wheels seemed to be oiled better and rolled very easy. The effects of the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) are often just as you describe them - subtle but if you know what is going on around you you can see the effects. > [@carp](#): > > This is same as previous night but different venue, this time i about 4" doubled rolled up inner arm and 1" down side of neck of SOE, NPA one drop on wrist rubbed into other wrist, dab behind each each ear and one on chest. > > and just remember that some of the younger girls i danced with on Tuesday seemed a little like rabbits in headlights. Now if I understand what I read correctly, the first paragraph is the dose for Tuesday. You were wearing a fair amount of pheros overall and a decent amount of NPA. That would certainly explain the rabbit in the headlights looks you were getting as well as some of the other behaviors you reported. Once again though - just please bear in mind that this forum is run by Androtics/Smartmones. The forum does several things: it allows us to give feedback to Androtics on their products, allows users to hep each other with questions, advice and recommendations, and helps show new or potential customers that yes, the products really do work. And while Steve, Jas and the rest of the folks at Androtics do allow us to discuss other products, they are not looking for a lot of reporting on those products they do not sell. ---
**Author:** ![BubbleCatcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ebca7d/32.png) [@BubbleCatcher](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BubbleCatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 6:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-timer-experience/26466/3 "2009-02-25T18:54:43Z")
Thanks for replies, yes i i realise that the products i used were not sold by forum owners but as i already declared i have ordered their products and will be doing same test with them so thought it would be useful as comparison, plus see many others reporting on other products. Just an enthusiastic beginner. ---
**Author:** ![BubbleCatcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ebca7d/32.png) [@BubbleCatcher](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BubbleCatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 6:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-timer-experience/26466/4 "2009-02-27T18:07:20Z")
Hello, ok last night i had the opportunity to try out my order from smartmones store. The order arrived in the morning and first off gave couple of sprays of IS and 1 IO on hair and went to supermarket. I was not looking my best but had one woman hanging around me abit longer then would be normal, at checkin woman in 30’s was facing away from me but turned side on and was looking out of corner of her eye, as she walk away there was a combined hair finder and flick Could have coincidence though. Next was that evening and another dance night. Had a bath and just before leaving to go out did: Hair: 1 spray IO - 1 spray IS Chest: 1 spray TUTH - 1 spray IS Each Inner arm: 2 spray IO - 1 spray IS Wrist: 1 spray IH togo between both Covered with Xeryus Rouge Now first off i did not get the instant heady feeling, which i like, that i got from SOE and SOE/NSA combined. I did get lifting of mood but nowhere near as intense as SOE / NPA and was questioning if there was going to be any effect at all! Silly me, later i was to realise that this combo had slow burn fuse. The dance that night was at smaller venue, more intimate with everyone knowing each other at least on nodding terms, it was quite night, a lot cooler but i was busy as lack of men due to football (soccer). Age group is my age or older with smattering of younger women. Should mention that late in day i had a hair cut, usually let hair grow, not long but enough to notice when i have it cut short. During lesson the ladies revolved around and noticed increase in chat levels and with some women the eye contact was just bit longer than usual but not long enough to be flirty, more that look that says ‘umm something about you but can’t figure out what!’. Had complement on my hair cut as well. First part of free style and black woman in thirties who i know to say hello and dance with regular seemed, how can i put it! ‘pleasantly confused’. The more the dance went the more she become touchy feely, she even commented on the fact she had wondering hands and agan had the look, ‘umm something about you but can’t figure out what!’. Also danced with black girl in 20’s who was much more flirty and touchy though not as much as black women but did not get closer in personal space. I was feeling, well lot more relaxed and was getting no dance move anxiety, by this i mean doing or not a move in case i think it won’t go well or maybe misinterpreted as too personal/close. Second part lesson and the ‘umm something about you but can’t figure out what!’ look was increasing with one woman blushing a lot, small talk initiated by women more than usual, and began to notice looks from across the room. Second part of free style and i was feeling very chilled, and have to say even a bit sexy with dancing becoming more flirty/sensual than i normally do. Not sure if effect was increasing because i was getting warmer, not hot enough to require change of shirt though. The black women kept coming back for repeated dances, more that would be normal and were again lot more physical and close than normal. One woman who is in late forties who had been looking at me increasing all night, and who have danced with before asked for dance which she does not normally do and complemented me on haircut, but not just that she said it was ’ a big change’ even though i had similar hair cuts without such comment from her! There was one very young girl, 18/19 who i dance with occasionally and who always seems bit shy or just not very talkative around me, this did not change tonight but i think that would need me to be be more pro-active with commutation to get her open up. Overall i would say, as did earlier, that it was slow burn with this combo. It started off slow but by end of night i was feeling good, nice and relaxed and dancing was lot more free and easy than normal. My primary aim is just this, to make myself feel well more like me and not hamstrung by SAD. Getting reactions from the fairer sex is good as helps boost the ego and confidence and once this happens then taking further will be less of stress and more natural. The effect on the woman was there, bit different than with SOE/NPA, will try this mix at dance i tried SOE/NPA at and see the effect there. Should add that i do like the heady glow i get with SOE so in future may play with adding a bit of SOE to mix. There is a very big dance coming up Saturday with hundreds of people 99% of who i will not know, i have been before but it can be bit stressful and bring on SAD episodes but may be good opportunity to see just how much a difference can be achieved. As an update to last night at dance, i had lunch with women i work with for number of years, she was my boss and there is no physically attraction there. I did not have shower, deliberate and wore same t-short, i gave 1 spray of IS on hair and chest and IO spray shared on wrist and Covered with Xeryus Rouge. She was very very chatty and and sparky, not flirty but did share some intimate stuff like the fact she had to use bed pan due to back problem that laid her up in bed for number of days. This not the sort of thing most people would share let alone a woman, i know as i have had same back issue and also needed to use bed pan but it is not something i have shared, though when she i did so did i. She was a lot more open than i would expect from her ven though i have known her for many years, all very interesting and building the case for the use of these products. cheers ---
**Author:** ![BubbleCatcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ebca7d/32.png) [@BubbleCatcher](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BubbleCatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 11:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-timer-experience/26466/5 "2009-03-18T23:54:07Z")
Hello, here is an update of my experiences so far. After last outing i went to very big dance and had mixed results. This type of event is sure fire to bring on SA but of late am getting better so would be interesting to see how pheros worked. IS i liked and it has good self effect lightening my mood and relaxing SA which improves confidence, IO make me more inclined to be speak but i still from what you would call chatty or burbling. IH, only every tried i spray of TG on wrists and did not seem to have sefl effect but then i am very guarded, though some comments from others that made me sit up. TUTH does perk thing up and am still not sure of dosage and own -none production and best place to use so mixed results. With this in mind it was off to the dance using: 3 spray IS 3 spray IO 1 spray TUTH Arrived felt ok, a little SA just scratching at the door but not much, ended up camped near big industrial fan which would not help with phero cloud. Straight off i met couple of women i knew from other venue, one of who always (pre phero) tells me i flirt with my eyes, had a dance and a laugh but she did say i was not using my eyes as much, food for thought? Had a few dances but nothing i could claim as hit, but the place was full of hot and sweaty bodies. As night went on SA increased a bit and decided to go, as was getting ready a black women i know from another venue sat next to me, close, and we started chatting which we had not done before. We ended up having a laugh as the expense of a fellow with very bad unwashed (years) hair as most women would avoid him, though he seems harmless. That was a hit and nice end to my night, SA was best it has ever been as this event. Few days later using same mix but with 1 spray of IH i was at regular venue and had couple of very good hits. I Asian women was very close and lot of eye contact, plus asking for more than one dance. Another woman who i call the Ice Queen as she very elegant but aloof and never speaks to me became very chatty. This was in class and first time around she was her usual self but second time around she stopped with longer as announcements were made and of a sudden she became very chatty and smiley and during dance she was a little giggle. Next night same mix and some more good results, was told was favourite dancer, one woman was refused by guy next to me so asked me, started dancing and she seemed surprised and after dance told me i was second choice but not second best. The weekend came and i was off on a dance weekend, 1500 people and last year i was very stressed with SA so this would be big test for my progress and pheros. Started journey with 2x IS and 1x IO so arrived feeling ok and when arrived topped up with 1x IS. Registration went fine, as did finding chalet and going to local shop. Now this might not sould like much but compared to last year it was a world apart. I won’t go into every detail but over all my SA was much much better, this was not all phero as have being doing lot work with CBT but the pheros were a big help. As for hits, well with so many women the results were bound to me mixed but on the whole better then i would have expected. They would range from silly comments such as ’ that girls sparkly dress is very sparkly’, or other such unexpected openers. There was number of IOI such as eye contact, playing with clothes, touching self, fidgeting and no eye contact as they conflicted. I did not get to pull but that is down to my game as still find it hard to get passed just saying hello and maybe couple of comments on dancing. And that is the issue, IS makes me feel good, IO make me more likely to respond with limited small talk but conversation goes not further. After the weekend i went to couple of dances but not much occurred with usual mix, though i was very tired and was not as upbeat as normal. The saturday after the dance i decided to go to a local pub for drink and game of pool, i had been there once before with same mix but it was empty and did not get much response from bar maids. This time i new karaoke was on and upped mix to 4x IS 4x IO 2x IH togo 2x TUTH It was about 10min walk and by time i got there i was feeling good, it was about 9.15 and place was still empty. There was couple of barmaids in late 20s early 30s off came jacket and ordered first drink and stayed at the bar. The blonde BM seemed little fidgety and played with hair but no eye contact. There was pool table so put my maker down and waited at bar. Two women and guy came in, got 2 bottles of wine and sat down at table about 4 ft from me and bar. One woman was white the other woman and guy black and a couple. The white woman was late 20s and a looker, as i sat waiting for pool game i would glance over but nothing seemed to be happening. After 5 min i went and played pool. I played 3 games all badly as have not played for couple of years, but still won all. While playing the karaoke woman arrived and setup close to pool table with her female assistant. No real obvious hit here either. I was beginning to think that i was ghosting but then noticed of younger girls from other side of bar kept walking past me, no need as bar is island, each time looking me the eye, though with DIH look. The karaoke had started which brought a few laughs, the karaoke women walk past me but stopped touched my arm and made a comment before moving off. Now when to karaoke started the pool table was put away and moved back to bar near the 3 with bottles of wine which they were working there was through. The two woman had got up to sing and and the blonde was looking good through beer goggles, but seemed conflicted. There was lot of self touching and hair playing to uncover neck but only furtive eye contact and that was bit DIH. When karaoke finished it was just dance music and the blond and her mate got up to dance, the blondes dancing was getting more and more provocative. They got out the digital camera started taking pictures, the guy went to the loo and the two of them stood 2 feet from with camera in hand whispering. I got the impression they wanted me to open them, i think i did but whatever i ended up with the camera in my hand taking some pictures of them. The blonde still seemed conflicted and moved away, at this point her mate got closer and told me that her friend had not been like this until i arrived, and added ‘if you know what i mean’ the message being she was into me. Now this where my game fails me and although i made a few comments to friend she went off to dance with her mate i went to the loo. I stayed about another 30min and the blonde mostly danced and cast furtive glances my way. Now for me even going to the pub was big step, having women approach me even for small comment without SA going off the scale was result, but to have a 20 something hit on me, and i believe it was a hit was huge boost for the ego and self confidence. I believe i still have to get right mix for right situation and find a combo that frees the tonge and bit more. Could be i need to up the IH and or IO, or add something else to the mix. The TUTH seems to get results but also some DIH maybe something to mellow it out like IG or replace it with [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) I just added Ammo and IG plus 30ml IH plus freebie of Jerk. Overall i am happy with phero but do find there are many variables such as own mood, location, age and mood of others, and i from what i have read a woman’s cycle. I do find that just walking around shopping has not produced results, but being around target group longer works better. More to follow. ---
**Author:** ![chasm](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/chasm/32/2121_2.png) [@chasm](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chasm)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 3:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-timer-experience/26466/6 "2009-03-20T15:46:39Z")
Try maybe 2-3 sprays of IG to the neck for self effects, or spray once to your finger and wipe it under your nose above your lip. See if your level of confidence changes. Should be a good way to make you more comfortable.