# First try with five products at once and no results: advice on testing one at a time **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 30, 2008, 2:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-try-with-five-products-at-once-and-no-results-advice-on-testing-one-at-a-time/16537 "2008-07-30T02:36:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![IMTL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/48db29/32.png) [@IMTL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/IMTL)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2008, 2:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-try-with-five-products-at-once-and-no-results-advice-on-testing-one-at-a-time/16537/1 "2008-07-30T02:36:25Z")
Hello everyone, how’s it going? I recently ordered Instant Shine, Instant Openness (Double), Instant Honesty (Double), Ammunition, [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/), and Turn Up the Heat. Even though I read all of the guides you guys created for beginners, I got too giddy and sprayed them all on me (except Turn Up the Heat) in various spots, once, and then went to work (Circuit City). Now, I know not to expect anything miraculous, so my expectations weren’t sky high. In fact, I had none at all. I figured I’d just run my normal day and see if I happened to notice anything out of the ordinary. I didn’t. After being called an idiot by Tisha 😃, I listened to the guides and tried each one out, one at a time. Still nothing. So, I tried different spots, different amounts, before and afters. Nothing. I work at a huge electronics store that sees tons of people each day from all over the world and I noticed nothing. I go out with a lot of people to movies, clubs, house parties, friend’s houses. All of these are close proximity situations with a multitude of opportunities. Not a single bit of anything beyond the ordinary stuff. I’m obviously doing something wrong or looking for something that isn’t supposed to appear. Please help me guys, IMTL ---
**Author:** ![zyron](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/zyron/32/1842_2.png) [@zyron](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zyron)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2008, 4:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-try-with-five-products-at-once-and-no-results-advice-on-testing-one-at-a-time/16537/2 "2008-07-30T04:58:00Z")
Sorry to hear that dude. How much are you using each time? some times upping the amount can show some effect. I had a really bad reaction today . a chick got up and left her seat because of these things. lol. Don’t give up, that was these things are about, testing and putting yourself into situations and observing everyone around you. I have noticed a alot, I have not made a offical post on my IH extreme version yet, but soon. that will show these things have some kick. lol keep going dude and keep observing. zyron ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2008, 7:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-try-with-five-products-at-once-and-no-results-advice-on-testing-one-at-a-time/16537/3 "2008-07-30T07:22:40Z")
not many on here would say that the very first time they opened their very first phero package that they were able to maintain their composure and avoid spraying themselves with everything in the box. limit yourself to one product at a time, in gradually increasing amounts, until you begin to notice the results. people will respond, you have to give it time. think about going to the bar, you can certainly get drunk if you have a shot of everything in the house but you’ll enjoy the whole scene much more (and leave a much better impression on those around you 😉) if you are in control of yourself and you will soon find out with consistent regulated use of pheros that you can be in control of others as well. ---
**Author:** ![Bob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea666f/32.png) [@Bob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bob)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2008, 9:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-try-with-five-products-at-once-and-no-results-advice-on-testing-one-at-a-time/16537/4 "2008-07-30T09:39:41Z")
I have had moderate success sometimes,other times have been complete failures usually from putting to much -none on or to much of a mixture of mones. Like what everyone has said i would start out with a single product in a small amount and see what happens. Be patient.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![K24](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k24/32/1513_2.png) [@K24](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K24)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2008, 11:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-try-with-five-products-at-once-and-no-results-advice-on-testing-one-at-a-time/16537/5 "2008-07-30T11:04:53Z")
just because nothing happens doesn’t mean its a complete failure, keep trying and keep your expectation realistic, hits don’t happen very often. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2008, 11:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-try-with-five-products-at-once-and-no-results-advice-on-testing-one-at-a-time/16537/6 "2008-07-30T11:31:10Z")
> [@](#): > > After being called an idiot by Tisha 😃, I listened to the guides and tried each one out, one at a time. Still nothing. So, I tried different spots, different amounts, before and afters. Nothing. 😮 LOL I did not call you a idiot, I would never do that. Ok what we need so we can help you is some information. One product at a time. How much did you use ? Where did you apply ? What environment did you use it ? What effects if any did you see ? What effects were you expecting ? We cant tell you what you did wrong if we dont know what you did to begin with. Another question I have for you, Can you read body language ? Are you just looking for reactions or hits that occur directly to you ? Many times mones can change a persons behavoir even though its not directed at you so when you see this occuring you know your closing in on your sweet spot dosage wise. Reporting may seem redundant to alot of people especially on the consumer products but sometimes its the details that explain whats happening. For example… Look at this post from Lonewolf stating she didnt think she was getting hits. > [@My first few days using the pheromones](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-first-few-days-using-the-pheromones/16469): > > Ok I ordered Instant honesty (x2) and Instant Shine (x2) on Wednesday with regular shipping and received it on Friday. That was awesomely fast and I got a free MX 274!!! Day 1: sprayed one spray of Instant Shine (x2) on me, it might have been two, I can’t remember, it didn’t really spray out because I pressed it too lightly ciz I was kinda nervous, so it sorta squirted on my wrist and then I rubbed in my chest. I was kind of self conscious about the smell. I had no self-effects either. Didn’t … She is getting mild hits she just didnt notice them but her report clearly indicates she is approaching her sweet spot. We can tell her what to try to improve the outcome because she has given us the information we need to work with. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2008, 1:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-try-with-five-products-at-once-and-no-results-advice-on-testing-one-at-a-time/16537/7 "2008-07-30T13:29:05Z")
You’re lucky. Tisha has called most of us worse names than that. She even made me cry once. But - as long as the phrase “human scarifice” doesn’t come up you should be OK. If that happens - it’s like we say around here - forget the “Ides of March” - its “Beware the Blue Mustang”. J/K The thing to remember is that the pheromones do work but: 1. The do not work immediately. It usually takes a few minutes for the people around you to start breathing them in and start to react. 2. Most reactions are subtle. You may not notice them. If you are wearing [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) around someone it may well pick their spirits up. But they may not show it by doing more than smiling. But if they are really stressed it may not. Learning to really read body language and other social clues is often the hardest thing to do - especially for men. Check out the thread in Tisha’s signature block for a good place to start. You work at Circuit City - people come in looking to buy electronics of some sort. They are slightly tense trying to get the best equipment at the best price and not get “taken” - not necessarily by you but by purchasing the wrong thing. The Instant Shine may help relax them some but they will still be a little “tense” going through this process. IH may help create a feeling of connection but they are not going to treat you like their best friend in that situation. 1. Do not wait to see reactions from the pheromones. All they do is create suggestions. _You_ have to generate the conversation and social situations that cause people to react in th direction the pheromones are suggesting. They are greasing the track so to speak but you gotta get the train rolling. Hope this helps some. Good luck and keep trying. Once Tisha reads this you’ll be off the hook and it will all come my way. Taking one for the team so to speak. I’m going to put on my fire retardent suit now although it will make more difficult to run if I have to … ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2008, 2:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-try-with-five-products-at-once-and-no-results-advice-on-testing-one-at-a-time/16537/8 "2008-07-30T14:14:34Z")
> [@](#): > > You’re lucky. Tisha has called most of us worse names than that. She even made me cry once. But - as long as the phrase “human scarifice” doesn’t come up you should be OK. If that happens - it’s like we say around here - forget the “Ides of March” - its “Beware the Blue Mustang”. 😮 Mr Hank please report to the principles office at once. I am warming up my paddle now. 😛 > [@](#): > > Once Tisha reads this you’ll be off the hook and it will all come my way. Taking one for the team so to speak. I’m going to put on my fire retardent suit now although it will make more difficult to run if I have to … Now now you know I am going to catch you so why run, Really I dont chase often I just cast a little spell and draw you right into my web. Then I … well I dont want to give all my secrets away, anticipation is so much fun. 😉 Seriously Boss brings up some good points. [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) is tough till you encounter that chronically cranky person and you say to yourself “Oh I see it now” I am sure your used to seeing irate cranky customers (no offense to Circuit City lol) see if maybe your noticing a significant lessening of cranky consumers. Oh being able to appease the irate ones quicker and easier then normal. Another good point, Dont wait for you pheromones to work for you. Learn to work your pheromones. Wear them in different environments at different levels. Dont be afraid to mega dose they wont hurt you and they wash off. Getting to your sweet spot is half the fun. 😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![IMTL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/48db29/32.png) [@IMTL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/IMTL)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2008, 12:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-try-with-five-products-at-once-and-no-results-advice-on-testing-one-at-a-time/16537/9 "2008-07-31T00:26:35Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > How much did you use ? Where did you apply ? What environment did you use it ? What effects if any did you see ? What effects were you expecting ? > > **Instant Honesty: One or two sprays to the wrists, neck, or back of the head. > Instant Shine: One or two sprays to the chest or neck. > Instant Openness: One or two sprays to the wrists, neck, or back of the head. > Instant Female Magic: One or two sprays to the wrists, neck, or back of the head. > Turn Up the Heat: 1 spray to the neck. > Ammunition: Two sprays to the neck.** > > Another question I have for you, Can you read body language ? > **Yes** > > Are you just looking for reactions or hits that occur directly to you ? > **Yes** I’m not entirely sure what I was expecting but, I know it wasn’t going to be anything miraculous. I know women aren’t going to throw themselves at me or anything ridiculous like that. I hope that helps. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2008, 2:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-try-with-five-products-at-once-and-no-results-advice-on-testing-one-at-a-time/16537/10 "2008-07-31T02:18:25Z")
Well I can already see you need to up your dosage a bit on a few of them. IO IH Ishine you most likely can use between 3 to 5 sprays. You dont OD on these. I would also skip on the wrists as a application point. You do have pulse points there but I find its not the ideal place. Give that a go and see how you do. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![RaiderMagic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bc79bd/32.png) [@RaiderMagic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RaiderMagic)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2008, 6:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-try-with-five-products-at-once-and-no-results-advice-on-testing-one-at-a-time/16537/11 "2008-07-31T06:36:10Z")
It would be super helpful if you kept a journal or some sort here. That way we will have more concrete data to see what you need to be doing. But yeah, don’t give up and keep on trying! ---
**Author:** ![IMTL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/48db29/32.png) [@IMTL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/IMTL)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2008, 8:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-try-with-five-products-at-once-and-no-results-advice-on-testing-one-at-a-time/16537/12 "2008-07-31T08:30:09Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Well I can already see you need to up your dosage a bit on a few of them. > > Instant Openness Instant Honesty Instant Shine you most likely can use between 3 to 5 sprays. You dont OD on these. > > I would also skip on the wrists as a application point. You do have pulse points there but I find its not the ideal place. > > Give that a go and see how you do. > > Tisha I made those changes as per your PM last week. The results were nothing. Well, actually, the only thing I noticed is that people no longer complimented me on the way I smelled. Instead, a couple guys said I smelled like piss and the chicks said I smelled like old pine cones. What the heck does an old pine cone smell like? 😮 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2008, 8:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-try-with-five-products-at-once-and-no-results-advice-on-testing-one-at-a-time/16537/13 "2008-07-31T08:49:11Z")
Well like I mentioned its really tough to help you without your actually reporting on each use with the required information. Your last post indicated you used 2 sprays, you didnt mention more then that. I suggest you change application points around see if that helps and if not return the products for a refund. Mones are not for everyone. Some people have trouble seeing the subtle changes that occur with certain products. Tisha