# Flamingo776's pheremone notes **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [January 14, 2008, 12:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flamingo776s-pheremone-notes/8302 "2008-01-14T12:03:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Ryan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ryan/32/1528_2.png) [@Ryan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ryan)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 2:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flamingo776s-pheremone-notes/8302/61 "2008-02-10T02:04:29Z")
> [@flamingo776](#): > > Heh, thanks for the reps, r šŸ™‚ No worries šŸ˜‰ Iā€™m taking an interest in your posting, your reports are good. Your also testing the pheros Iā€™m thinking of getting next; Honesty & Openess. > [@flamingo776](#): > > The usual disclaimer: I donā€™t know that it was the pheros. In the absence of dramatic, incredible hits, it could be just a coincidence. Iā€™m not trying to be super-skeptical, rather I want to be able to clearly perceive the effects of the pheromones. Apart from dramatic hits, the other reliable way to see that the pheromones are having an effect, is to observe the same behaviour each time a given pheromone is worn. So thatā€™s what this is: data collection. Iā€™m still trying to get my head around instant shine. I grasp the self-effects, and recognise them. So Iā€™m trying to see whatā€™s happening to other people. I try to look at my testing the same way, you can never discount the variables. You just canā€™t calculate the infinite variables when theres human emotion involved. Like you said, all you can do is ā€˜collect dataā€™ and try find some consistantcy. ---
**Author:** ![flamingo776](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flamingo776/32/336_2.png) [@flamingo776](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flamingo776)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2008, 6:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flamingo776s-pheremone-notes/8302/62 "2008-02-18T18:10:19Z")
11 - 17 February 2008 So last week was pretty busy, and my testing was disorganised. I also wasnā€™t testing methodically (having a week off šŸ™‚, so my results are pretty unclear. According to my notes, this is what I tried: Thursday - 15.00: 1.5x IFM (on wrists) - 15.30-16.30: First meeting (female). Relaxed & friendly - 17.00: 2x Instant shine (back of neck, hair), 1x ammo (front of neck) - 17.45: Second meeting (male). Good fun, nothing especially remarkable - 19.00: 1x TUTH to lower chest The reason for the TUTH was just to experiment a bit. I noticed before (hmm, maybe this was earlier this week and Iā€™ve lost the notes) that 2x ammo and 1x TUTH caused no effects. So I visited the new ā€˜studentā€™ who has been terribly open and flirty. I noticed that her scent was less strong this week, which perhaps indicated that last week was her time of the month. I guess the IFM is a week too late! Anyway, good to know for testing purposes (although itā€™s a weird bit of information to have about someoneā€¦). Results this week? I reviewed some info about IoIs and flirting signals before going to her (stuff from this forum, and the SIRC guide thatā€™s available online). Noteworthy observations: - The was quite a bit of (entirely comfortable) eye-contact during conversation. I mean, in some exchanges, especially when I was explaining something, I was looking at her face for long periods and she was making steady eye contact for up to 10 seconds at a time. This seems a bit weird. The pattern is said to be that the speaker looks at the listenerā€™s face for about 75% of the time, and the listener looks away for over 50% of the time, looks at the speakerā€™s face for most of the rest of the time, and makes eye contact occasionally but only fleeting. Iā€™ve verified this approximately in normal conversations. So, it seems like she was staring at me. It also happened when she was talking (I was accepting eye contact more than just fleetingly). This sounds very weird compared to normal conversations, but to be honest it was entirely comfortable. - Occasional postural & gestural echo. Nothing over the top. - Arching the back and keeping quite straight-spined (meant to draw attention to the breasts). At one stage, sitting quite close to me, in the middle of a sentence (mine, I think), she stretched and groaned quite luxuriously, arching her back and linking her hands over her head. I tried to just continue without reacting too much šŸ™‚. Iā€™ve never seen that before in a meeting like this. - A few times she pulled on the bottom (front) of her her belly top tight, which could be either an attempt to cover the belly or an attempt to show off her bust and shoulders (trying to ignore what Iā€™d like it to be, and keeping in mind tishaā€™s comments on covering skin in order to reveal other skin, Iā€™m inclined to believe that this is a case of displaying skin; Although bellies may be attractive, I think the neck and shoulders area are probably more attractive in an flirting-signal kind of way). - Sitting quite close, side by side on the sofa. That said, we were (because itā€™s a sofa) rather side-by-side than facing each other (you can get closer to someone side-by-side without breaching personal space). Of course, we were communicating, so we had to twist sideways a bit. - Occasional, mostly accidentally (or supposedly accidental) touching, mainly when passing shared objects (pens, sheets, work material). I noticed in particular after one touch of the fingers, she almost immediately shifted closer to me Sounds good, doesnā€™t it? I have to say that sheā€™s a very open and friendly person, and I expect itā€™s easy to take her normal friendly behaviour as flirtatious. So I donā€™t really know whatā€™s going on yet. One other effect: Lots of eye contact etc. from girls in public. Friday: - 2x IFM to wrists and back of neck. Back to this newish female client (Iā€™ll call her Ff, itā€™s getting confusing. The ā€˜fā€™ is for ā€˜femaleā€™) who I usually meet on Fridays and sometimes on Tuesdays. Sheā€™s always been very friendly except on the time I went in with IIRC [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) instead of ammo or similar pheromones. Not that she was unfriendly then, but it was different. Not enough evidence to know if that was the reason, of course. She was back in good form today, having lots of fun (that takes some doing sometimes, having your grammar dissected by me šŸ™‚), and very friendly and relaxed, like sheā€™s known me for a long time. Again, sheā€™s obviously that kind of person anyway, but we donā€™t expect pheromones to change peopleā€™s personalities entirely, do we? šŸ™‚ That would be kind of boring: youā€™d only have as many personalities as there are pheromones šŸ™‚. I had a second meeting, with a guy (the usual Friday guy, weā€™ll call him Fm, the ā€˜mā€™ is for male). No apparent negative effects (or from me) Saturday - 3x instant openness Visited a female client (Sf - thatā€™s her code name). Nothing observable, but sheā€™s normally very open and talkative Thatā€™s it! ---
**Author:** ![flamingo776](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flamingo776/32/336_2.png) [@flamingo776](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flamingo776)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2008, 6:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flamingo776s-pheremone-notes/8302/63 "2008-02-18T18:12:45Z")
Going to Gdańsk (you might know it as Danzig too) next weekend for a social trip. Reason itā€™s been so hard to arrange some of these social meetings is that some of the people are living part-time in other cites, or moving home etc. Iā€™ll be there on Sat & Sun, meeting mainly with a male friend, but no doubt also his girlfriend (never met her before), and maybe other people. Iā€™ll have to bring a selection of to-go bottles! ---
**Author:** ![flamingo776](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flamingo776/32/336_2.png) [@flamingo776](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flamingo776)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2008, 11:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flamingo776s-pheremone-notes/8302/64 "2008-02-26T11:27:37Z")
Iā€™m still testing, but Iā€™m tending towards reporting in batch, both because Iā€™m busier and to leave out a lot of the details and give more general reaction. Some notes for me to expand further later (when I have time): Donā€™t worry if it doesnā€™t make senseā€¦ 19th.??? 2.5xIH(krk1.5,wr,h) 19th.2230 IShx2(h,n) IOx1(wr) (with D) 21st.1700 2xIFM (back/side n), 2xAm(low,mid ch), 2xIH (wr,h) 23rd.1330 ISx2(wr,n) IHx2(krk,h) 23rd.2100 ditto 24th.1330 IS(wr), IH(krk) 25th.1630 IFMx3 (krk2,wr) ---
**Author:** ![flamingo776](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flamingo776/32/336_2.png) [@flamingo776](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flamingo776)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2008, 10:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flamingo776s-pheremone-notes/8302/65 "2008-02-26T22:03:14Z")
18-24 February 2008 19th: After work (during which I was wearing Instant Honesty), I met a friend (one of the guys Iā€™ve been trying to get in touch with for a while) and we went for a drink or four. I was wearing 2xShine (on hair and neck) and 1x Instant Openness (on wrists), applied about 30 mins before meeting. I didnā€™t really expect it to be otherwise, but we had a lot of fun. Itā€™s probably nothing to do with pheros, but once when he went to the bar some guys there were talking to him a bit. When he came back, he told me that they had been (gently) making fun of us because they thought we were gay. He just inferred this from the way they were speaking (lisping or whatever people do in Polish to insinuate that someone is gay), so I donā€™t know if he was reading it right or not. Anyway, one idea is that they noticed the feminine-ish (orange) scent from my pheros (because obviously signs of femininity imply gaynessā€¦ at least in some peopleā€™s brains). Or it could have been entirely random. Anyway, the more phero-relevant part was that we had a good laugh about it 21st: The usual Thursday involving a trip to the girl whoā€™s very flirty (code name: Thf). I was wearing 2xIFM (on upper back and side of neck), 2xAmmo (lower and middle chest) and 2xIH (wrists and hair). Quite a lot of stuff, but it was a bit of a disaster for other reasons. Halfway through the previous meeting, I started to feel quite unpleasant. My stomach were aching. Iā€™d made a tasty sort of mushroom ā€˜risottoā€™ with barley instead of rice, and I think the grain wasnā€™t as cooked as it should beā€¦ Anyway, I continued on with my round of visits, and I could talk to everyone ok, but I couldnā€™t really give it my full attention. So I probably seemed very distracted to everyone (I was), and I donā€™t really remember anything beyond just the contents of the meeting. No idea if there were flirting attempts or anything. I even cut the meeting with her ā€˜shortā€™ (i.e. not staying longer than an hour, which I usually do), although that was party due to time constraints. Anyway Iā€™m looking forward to seeing what this week is like šŸ™‚. I had another meeting after her, just a sort of social meeting in a pizzeria with a new potential client (weā€™ll call her Tf, because weā€™ll be meeting on Tuesdays). Interestingly, I noticed that I wasnā€™t making a lot of sense (because of the stomach), but she just seemed really calm and accepting of everything I said. Part of a ā€œheā€™s the teacherā€ attitude, I thought, but I found out later that she teaches languages too. So, maybe an [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) effect. 23rd: Went to Gdansk to meet a friend and spent the weekend there. Before I arrived there, I put on 2x IS (wrists, neck) and 2xIH (back of neck and hair). Didnā€™t use Instant Openness because I ā€˜onlyā€™ have the bottle of that (not the to-go), and I didnā€™t want to risk damaging it on the journey. Anyway, met friend & his girlfriend (who I hadnā€™t met before). There was a great mood for the whole weekend (although she had a sore throat and was very annoyed she couldnā€™t talk more). No need to describe it in detail, but I refreshed (same pheros) 6h later in the evening and in the morning. I havenā€™t seen this guy in almost a year, and Iā€™ve never met his girlfriend, but it felt like everybody was really comfortable and happy. I remember coming home quite drunk in the night, and we were laughing a lot at some sign in the lift. In the morning, I couldnā€™t see why it was funny, so I guess we were in a good mood šŸ™‚. So both social meetings this week were really successful, and resulted in plans for more meetings - exactly the aim. ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 1:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flamingo776s-pheremone-notes/8302/66 "2008-02-27T01:05:48Z")
Cool shorthand Flamingo! > [@](#): > > Iā€™d made a tasty sort of mushroom ā€˜risottoā€™ with barley instead of rice, and I think the grain wasnā€™t as cooked as it should beā€¦ It wasnā€™t any of those funny mushrooms that turn blue when you touch them was it? I got a funny sick feeling from them one time. LOL > [@](#): > > Itā€™s probably nothing to do with pheros, but once when he went to the bar some guys there were talking to him a bit. When he came back, he told me that they had been (gently) making fun of us because they thought we were gay. He just inferred this from the way they were speaking (lisping or whatever people do in Polish to insinuate that someone is gay), so I donā€™t know if he was reading it right or not. Anyway, one idea is that they noticed the feminine-ish (orange) scent from my pheros (because obviously signs of femininity imply gaynessā€¦ at least in some peopleā€™s brains). Or it could have been entirely random. Anyway, the more phero-relevant part was that we had a good laugh about it Somewhere on this vast board is a great discussion about how body language and pheromones can work even when there is no common tongue whatsoever. This reminds me of it. If I get a chance to find it or run across it again Iā€™ll link you to it. Youā€™ll enjoy it and may have some good stuff to add. ---
**Author:** ![flamingo776](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flamingo776/32/336_2.png) [@flamingo776](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flamingo776)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2008, 10:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flamingo776s-pheremone-notes/8302/67 "2008-03-04T22:16:19Z")
> [@renny](#): > > Cool shorthand Flamingo! > > It wasnā€™t any of those funny mushrooms that turn blue when you touch them was it? I got a funny sick feeling from them one time. LOL Ha, nothing so exotic. Just good old-fashioned undercooked grain. Ouch. > [@renny](#): > > Somewhere on this vast board is a great discussion about how body language and pheromones can work even when there is no common tongue whatsoever. This reminds me of it. If I get a chance to find it or run across it again Iā€™ll link you to it. Youā€™ll enjoy it and may have some good stuff to add. Havenā€™t seen that one (not surprisinglyā€¦ vast is the right word), but Iā€™d be interested in reading it if you come across it! ---
**Author:** ![flamingo776](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flamingo776/32/336_2.png) [@flamingo776](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flamingo776)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2008, 10:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flamingo776s-pheremone-notes/8302/68 "2008-03-04T22:46:42Z")
25 Feb - 4 Mar 2008 Havenā€™t been spending much time on the board recently ā€¦ too busy ā€¦ but Iā€™m trying to keep on taking notes on my daily phero use Thursday 28th Feb: Aiming to have an effect on Thf, the flirty girl, I wore - 2x Ammo (lower chest, throat) - 2.5x Instant Honesty (back of neck) (I definitely have problems with this bottle, the aerosol doesnā€™t operate smoothly and kind of spurts the pheros. So Iā€™ve no idea what dose Iā€™m getting. Presumably less than the number of times I depress the top) - IFMx3 (figured this might be her week based on her smell 4 weeks ago) On the tram to my first meeting, I was standing near a window and a guy and a girl stood beside me. Probably students, and friends rather than a couple. They were quite close, and she seemed quite distracted by me, glancing at me every now and again, moving closer, even unnecessarily holding her arm against my back when she gripped the handrail. At Thfā€™s place things went well but unremarkable. There was little flirting, but I think weā€™re more into the getting comfortable stage. She still seems really happy to see me, which is nice. Saturday 1st March. For the first time tried A314 (one drop divided between the ears, one on upper chest). Noticed some people getting out of my way in various places, but I was probably expecting to observe it. The reason I chose A314 today was that I had 2 more businesslike meetings. Not work itself, but one meeting with a (male) lawyer acquaintance to pick his brains about various aspects of the bureaucracy here, and another with my landlord. Also, one with a female student. I rescheduled the student to be an hour later than usual, and then I was 45 mins late due to a failure on the light rail route (I had to walk it - ok, I was a bit late already), but she didnā€™t seem to mind at all. Mightnā€™t be the a314, of course. From the other 2 meetings, canā€™t say I observed anything. I doubt I observed any effects of A314 today, anyway. Monday 3rd Mar. Tried 3x [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) for fun. My client, Mf, might have said something at the start of the meeting about having to cut it short to do some shopping or something, but in the end we had a full session. I might have misunderstood, though. What was definitely noticeable was the letā€™s-talk-about-all-kinds-of-nonsense effect of IO. At one stage we were comparing English & Polish versions of the Holy Handgrenade of Antioch sketch from Monty Python & the Holy Grail. I also demonstrated that I was a little teapot, short and stout. She commented herself on what a weird conversation weā€™d had. Yay! The effects of IO are so obvious. I might start mixing it with IH and try to determine where the effect changes. Tuesday 4th Mar. Instant Honesty x4 (or x something less than 4ā€¦ hard to say, it doesnā€™t spray properly). Only thing worth saying is that Tcf (Tuesday couple female - On Tuesdays I visit 2 friends (I think) who live together, a guy and a girl) was strangely nervous in the first few minutes. Happy (or happy-seeming) and nervous, not worried. No idea why. Might be nothing to do with me or pheros. ---
**Author:** ![flamingo776](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flamingo776/32/336_2.png) [@flamingo776](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flamingo776)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 10:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flamingo776s-pheremone-notes/8302/69 "2008-05-08T10:04:33Z")
Ouch - looks like I stopped posting for two months. That wasnā€™t meant to happen. First of all, I decided to stop posting day-by-day breakdowns of everything I do. I thought I should take notes of what I apply and what happens each day, and then every now and again post my impressions of the effects. That way it should be easier to see the trees, not the wood. The negative side is that youā€™d only see the trees that I think are particularly worthy of interest. But that happens anyway. So I started taking notes, and I just never got around to posting about them. Things got really busy, businesswise, too, so I really didnā€™t have the time. Things are a bit better now, but I still need to collate my notes and put them into a excel sheet or something so that I can easily display, e.g. all the A314 notes, or whatever. Thatā€™ll be the only way I can get my head around it all. Unfortunately, although I took quite detailed notes on what I applied, my notes on effects are a bit less well developed. I think I need a combination of taking very quick reminders on my palmtop and then fleshing them out when I get home, or the next day. Iā€™ll be trying hard to get the balance right, and I hope Iā€™ll be posting more results soon. As a taster of my results: A314 is very cool. I feels like a coincidence, but since I started using A314, Iā€™ve had zero client turnover - Iā€™ve lost no clients - which is quite unusual, and a few recommendation by clients to friends, most of which Iā€™ve had to turn down - too busy. Now I need to reorder some things. At the moment I have only A314 and IO leftā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 12:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flamingo776s-pheremone-notes/8302/70 "2008-05-08T12:57:25Z")
Good to see that you are still around. I think your situation makes for some interesting posts. ---
**Author:** ![mahalo\_silver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mahalo\_silver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mahalo_silver)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 1:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flamingo776s-pheremone-notes/8302/71 "2008-05-08T13:10:31Z")
yeah im confused about how to combine Ammo with IFM, ā€¦ i had 1 fantastic result with ammo/Ih/IFM combo., but it was more to do with the Ammo/ IH. IFM was at the residual 5 to 6 hour after application mark, so nto sure if it played a role. other times wearing Ammo/IFM together, ive had OD effects, due , perhaps to A1 conversion on the skin to none. ---
**Author:** ![mahalo\_silver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mahalo\_silver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mahalo_silver)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 1:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flamingo776s-pheremone-notes/8302/72 "2008-05-08T13:13:48Z")
Have you tried the blond bomber mx203 on those lovely blue eyed blonde hair Polish girls. My backgrounds Polish,ā€¦Crackow is 1 of my favourite cities in the world. I dream now about being back in that city and 'moned up, as i found the student vibe and friendliness and hot women everyhwhere. ---
**Author:** ![flamingo776](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flamingo776/32/336_2.png) [@flamingo776](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flamingo776)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 9:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flamingo776s-pheremone-notes/8302/73 "2008-05-10T09:35:39Z")
Hi renny - 'tis good to be back, indeed. Thanks for the reminder about [MX203](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx203/), mahalo\_silver - I had intended to add it and somehow forgot. I requested in a ticket to add it if itā€™s not too late, soā€¦ fingers crossed. Iā€™m curious about the idea that itā€™s blond-specific, but even if it isnā€™t as simple as that, it looks like an interesting choice. Crackow is a great place, but itā€™s like 9 hours away from where I live (strange for me - not used to living in a big countryā€¦). But Poznań is pretty studenty and friendly, too. The main problem is not the environment, but me šŸ™‚. Iā€™m working on itā€¦! ---
**Author:** ![flamingo776](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flamingo776/32/336_2.png) [@flamingo776](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flamingo776)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 2:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flamingo776s-pheremone-notes/8302/74 "2008-06-19T14:16:18Z")
Ouch, itā€™s a busy time of year, and I just donā€™t have much time to spend on browsing the forum. Still experimenting in my daily life with pheros, trying to keep up with the need to document things. So I havenā€™t really disappeared, Iā€™ll just be quiet for a while. ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 2:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flamingo776s-pheremone-notes/8302/75 "2008-06-19T14:19:12Z")
Hey man! good to see you around. Quiet is cool just donā€™t forget us! šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![flamingo776](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flamingo776/32/336_2.png) [@flamingo776](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flamingo776)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2008, 1:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flamingo776s-pheremone-notes/8302/76 "2008-07-28T01:08:17Z")
Reminder to self: post summaries. For the last month or two Iā€™ve been really busy with a constant stream of deadlines. Iā€™ve been just about keeping up with my pheromone ā€˜paperworkā€™ - I mean keeping track of what Iā€™m wearing and the results, but I never seem to have time to summarise everything and post about it. I know I should. Luckily, the busy time is ending. In my last order I got (as well as some familiar consumer products) TAL, TAH and P79. I havenā€™t really tried TAH, but Iā€™m being experimenting with the other two, and I really donā€™t know what they do (Iā€™ve read about what other people report they do, but I havenā€™t seen any definite effects in my own usage). My P79 is nearly gone, and I canā€™t really attribute any qualities to it. Iā€™ve tried as many as 5 sprays of it at one time, and nothing - thatā€™s 62.5 mcg. Could that be a small dose for P79? Also, my TAH and TAL are 2.5mcg/spray - if I recall correctly, thatā€™s a pretty low dose for these molecules, right? Perhaps I should try much more than 3-4 sprays. ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2008, 1:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flamingo776s-pheremone-notes/8302/77 "2008-07-28T01:41:44Z")
Ah, the joys of single molecule testingā€¦LOL. I think for TAL 5-10 mcg is a good amount (2-4 sprays)ā€¦ TAH maybe a little more but not muchā€¦P79 I donā€™t go over 15mcg. Keep trying and try using them with a single consumer that you know well. Use equal AMMO or TUTH with TAH and/or TAL. Good luck, all I can tell you is keep tryingā€¦sometimes they are really a pain to figure outā€¦P79 took me a long time and Iā€™m still not overly confident that I know itā€™s working. ---
**Author:** ![flamingo776](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flamingo776/32/336_2.png) [@flamingo776](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flamingo776)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2008, 9:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flamingo776s-pheremone-notes/8302/78 "2008-07-30T21:37:57Z")
Great, renny, thanks for the advice on dosage. I have basically no P79 left (that was just a togo bottle), so testing TAL and TAH means using them with Ammo or TUTH, as you said. I still donā€™t feel that I really get these two, unlike IO or A314. IO isnā€™t masculine. Would it make any sense, do you think, to use TAL or TAH with A314? Probably I need to go back to testing Ammo and TUTH with nothing else, to remind myself of exactly how they work. ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2008, 10:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flamingo776s-pheremone-notes/8302/79 "2008-07-30T22:44:49Z")
Use the AMMO or TUTHā€¦less complicated. ---
**Author:** ![flamingo776](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flamingo776/32/336_2.png) [@flamingo776](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flamingo776)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2008, 4:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flamingo776s-pheremone-notes/8302/80 "2008-08-03T16:25:26Z")
Thanks! The hard work period is ending (big deadline today) - hopefully Iā€™ll have more times to play in the next few weeks. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flamingo776s-pheremone-notes/8302.md?page=3)