# Flirty Female - 25 Looking for Pheromones to Make Guys Ask Me Out. **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [October 12, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flirty-female-25-looking-for-pheromones-to-make-guys-ask-me-out/65050 "2015-10-12T22:57:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jamiejean1021](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@jamiejean1021](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamiejean1021)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flirty-female-25-looking-for-pheromones-to-make-guys-ask-me-out/65050/1 "2015-10-12T22:57:55Z")
Hello I’m new to the community (hence why I’m posting here). I’m a 25 year old female Libra who is cursed with being a natural flirt, but apparently only towards guys that I’m not actually interested in. The ones I do like on the other hand, I either freeze up around, or they are so turned off by my natural flirtiness with everyone else, that they assume they’re just ‘friend zoned’. I am naturally pretty confident and am a dominant/alpha female so I was thinking along the lines of the IS/B. I’m hoping maybe if i told you about the relationships I have with the two guys I have in mind though, you may be able to suggest what would be best for each of them. I am a regular at the bar they work at, so I guess thats important to keep in mind. Guy 1: We have had a strong flirtationship for months, have exchanged phone numbers, chat often. He is over protective of me, shyly affectionate, and we always pick on each other. I am just waiting for him to take that extra step and ask me out (or just straight up kiss me) but he is definitely a relationship guy, not a one night stand type. Guy 2: He is sexy, very much a one night stand type of guy, but very closed off. We have had maybe 5 conversations total in the past 8 months, almost always shorter than 5 minutes, but the sexual tension is obvious. The problem, i almost ALWAYS have to initiate the conversation and unless I’m drunk, I am usually too intimidated to do so. If you need more info, let me know. I am open to all suggestions here! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2015, 11:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flirty-female-25-looking-for-pheromones-to-make-guys-ask-me-out/65050/2 "2015-10-12T23:06:04Z")
Hi Jamijean, Welcome to this forum. For guy #2, you might want to open him up with Instant Openess to establish a better communication with him. He’ll talk like never before. IS/B is a good thing too 🙂. For guy #1, IS/B is good too but you might want to add some [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) and some IH, it will loosen some inhibitions, the guy looks shy, but I might be wrong. There is a nice libra here called Lillian that will probably have good advice for you too 🙂. Please tell us about your results. ---
**Author:** ![jamiejean1021](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@jamiejean1021](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamiejean1021)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 5:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flirty-female-25-looking-for-pheromones-to-make-guys-ask-me-out/65050/3 "2015-10-13T05:05:59Z")
Thanks I look forward to getting to meet her. I’m looking at possibly getting the sampler pack, can you guy’s give an approximate time of how long it takes to deliver? My birthday is next week and I have big plans that I was hoping to use these during, but unfortunately I don’t get paid until Friday 😕 I live in LA if that information is helpful. Where do they ship from? > [@Conjurator](#): > > Hi Jamijean, > > Welcome to this forum. > > For guy #2, you might want to open him up with Instant Openess to establish a better communication with him. He’ll talk like never before. IS/B is a good thing to 🙂. > > For guy #1, IS/B is good too but you might want to add some Instant Shine and some IH, it will loosen some inhibitions, the guy looks shy, but I might be wrong. > > There is a nice libra here called Lillian that will probably have good advice for you too 🙂. > > Please tell us about your results. ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 2:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flirty-female-25-looking-for-pheromones-to-make-guys-ask-me-out/65050/4 "2015-10-13T14:29:44Z")
Hi Jamie, I have to go with what Conjurator suggested and Lillian will come in and will give good advice to. Just make sure to read all the stickies in this new section. Good Luck and I hope you start a journal we can follow. ---
**Author:** ![Lillian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lillian/32/1269_2.png) [@Lillian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lillian)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 11:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flirty-female-25-looking-for-pheromones-to-make-guys-ask-me-out/65050/5 "2015-10-13T23:39:00Z")
_HAPPY BIRTHDAY MONTH LIBRA GIRL!!! If you know you like I know me, you’re likely celebrating all month and looking to buy a ton of mones or anything that makes you happy just because it’s your birthday month!_ Welcome to the Forum Jamie!!! I love welcoming the ladies since it doesn’t seem like I get to welcome as many. Justintimme and Conjurator are AWESOME!!! and thanks fellas, you always make great recommendations. I read your intro and can sooooo relate, but here’s the thing, what do you want if you can’t have both? If they both work at the same bar chances are you’re only going to get one (guys can be fairly observant)…I’m not against the one night stand, but at the same time, you’ll be put off if it’s not even good…TRUTH!!. Also I’d like to point out…if dude is a one night stand, what does it matter to have a conversation?! You don’t very well have a chat with dessert before you have that!!!🙄🙄 Guy 2 is about a roll in the hay for fun’s sake.⭕)😃 Work up a bit of IS/B (I think for you) and be about your business. He’ll chat you up when you are drunk because you are an easy mark. I say less than a fortnight on that endeavor with IS/B. Trying to have a “deeper” conversation with a one night stand is like bringing a FWB to meet mum!!! It’s not necessarily a need if he’s not going to be around as FWB, so while conversation is good…and so are IO an IH…I wouldn’t waste the [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) on him (in my excited opinion). You just want him around long enough to get your rocks off and be on your way. Yes? As for the guy 1: the emotional foreplay is there and he’s definitely interested. He likely has seen you in action and flirting with others. All he can do is hold up a corner and hope you notice him more so than others, but what’s to give him an indicator that he would be more than a “one night stand” to you…? He likely lacks the confidence just as you feel you lack the confidence with the other chap. Can you blame him though, he likely just doesn’t want to get hurt…and you know you are VERY capable of that without even realizing it…so I’m simply stating it here in this post…on the record.😃…I’m a libra…I know 🙂 So here you have two men, one may think of you as the relationship type, if you don’t care for that sort of thing, and the other may see you as the fling type despite that you may not want that aspect with him… just as you are gauging them they are gauging you… I am with the gents the IS/B will give you the gumption and the attraction. For guy 1 to get a bit closer, Conjurator I think has nailed it IS will make it hard for him to take his eyes off of you, but as he’s already protective, you need to open up his tongue to speaking to you of possibly going out IH and it will deepen a sense of rapport and create a bond. Also slide a little extra attention his way, you have his number…text him and ask him to do something simple…a coffee or something. Something that can’t count as an actual date, but you get to spend time together away and separate of work. That way you’re not asking him out, but he’ll have a chance to ask you if things sort. If not, no major loss…No? For guy 2, I don’t think it’s going to take much, with him it’s more a confidence thing on your end…that’s the IS/B that should perform to it’s station. (keep in mind he likely knows Guy 1 is interested and may be standing clear out of respect if they work at the same place)…but if you are going to do it…do go for the gusto.. and be forewarned, the IH will work on you as well as he. The last bit…the disclaimer, if any of this goes south (and if you get guy 2 for a one night stand) you may have to find a new watering hole. The pheromones will perform to better than you realize, though I advise figuring out what you want before making a play. However it sorts out, please do come join us in the women’s forum and I hope to be reading from your journal soon. The people here are immensely helpful and nice, I am still newer so you’ll likely get better recommendations especially as I’ve given you unsolicited advice. If you can swing it, do get the Wardrobe…you won’t regret it. It has the IS, IS/A and IS/B, IH and IO. You will have a TON of fun and will likely fill up your dance card the rest of the month…especially if you talk to people while waiting in line.😉 Happy Pheroing and welcome again!!! ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 11:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flirty-female-25-looking-for-pheromones-to-make-guys-ask-me-out/65050/6 "2015-10-13T23:53:46Z")
You’re definitely in good hands with Lillian, Jamie 🙂, told you. ---
**Author:** ![jamiejean1021](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@jamiejean1021](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamiejean1021)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 4:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flirty-female-25-looking-for-pheromones-to-make-guys-ask-me-out/65050/7 "2015-10-14T04:25:47Z")
Thanks Lilian! That was all super helpful! To answer some of your questions, I’m not too worried about them working at the same place. Guy 2 knows that I like Guy 1. Actually - EVERYONE knows that I like Guy 1 as I do make it pretty obvious. Although I unintentionally flirt with a lot of guys, I always leave alone, as I’m not normally a ‘one night stand’ type of gal. I would make that exception for Guy 2. For the most part I try to not go on nights that they are both working so there isn’t any conflict. Guy 2 is very private and doesn’t talk much so again, if anything happens with him, I’m not too worried about it getting out. I think the problem with Guy 1, and the hesitation on both of our parts, is that neither of us really know what we want from it. I think the feelings are obviously there, but we are both scared of commitment, but know that our feelings are too involved for it ever to be just a casual hookup. Either way, I’m excited to see how the pheromones change what has been months of just flirting! Hopefully that $25 GC comes by Friday because I am definitely interested in getting a few of these! Did anyone have an approximate shipping time to LA? I need to know if I should consider overnight shipping. Oh and is there a thread anyone can direct me to where I can read the effects of IS/B and IH together? ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 5:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flirty-female-25-looking-for-pheromones-to-make-guys-ask-me-out/65050/8 "2015-10-15T05:48:03Z")
Hello jj! Welcome to PheromoneTalk! 🙂 Dropped your free GC into your email yesterday. How about checking out Lillian’s Journal? I just saw her having some success with the TUTH. The only problem in your case is that you are flirting with them while they are on duty, and probably with their boss around watching them. Happy Pheroing! 🙂 ====== _ **Disclosure:** I’ve edited your thread title from **“Flirty Female - 25 looking to nail something down.”** to **“Flirty Female - 25 Looking for Pheromones to Make Guys Ask Me Out.”** for topic clarity and forum readability. It’ll also generate more “reads” to your thread. If you want to opt-out simply let me know. Thank you!_ ---
**Author:** ![jamiejean1021](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@jamiejean1021](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamiejean1021)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 6:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flirty-female-25-looking-for-pheromones-to-make-guys-ask-me-out/65050/9 "2015-10-15T06:05:47Z")
Thanks I’ve received it!! Not too worried about their bosses as even their bosses flirt with me (one of them actually slapped my behind last week). I know I have insecurities and when I like a person they make me nervous, but a lot of my friends tell me that I am very intimidating, so even if I don’t see that in myself, I wonder if it comes into play for them? Hoping the IS/B will tone that down! I didn’t know that TUTH was something women could use! That was the product that intrigued me the most! I’ll have to read up on it!! > [@Dee\_A](#): > > Hello jj! > > Welcome to PheromoneTalk! 🙂 > > Dropped your free GC into your email yesterday. > > How about checking out Lillian’s Journal? I just saw her having some success with the TUTH. The only problem in your case is that you are flirting with them while they are on duty, and probably with their boss around watching them. > > Happy Pheroing! 🙂 > > ====== > _ **Disclosure:** I’ve edited your thread title from **“Flirty Female - 25 looking to nail something down.”** to **“Flirty Female - 25 Looking for Pheromones to Make Guys Ask Me Out.”** for topic clarity and forum readability. It’ll also generate more “reads” to your thread. If you want to opt-out simply let me know. Thank you!_ ---
**Author:** ![Lillian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lillian/32/1269_2.png) [@Lillian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lillian)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 7:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flirty-female-25-looking-for-pheromones-to-make-guys-ask-me-out/65050/10 "2015-10-15T07:45:55Z")
Where is this bar?!?! Coyote Ugly?!?! A strip club?!?! I joke, I joke :o My last bit of unsolicited advice and maybe the gents can assist… As, again I am a libra, people won’t take you seriously or have much or any respect for you if you can’t carry yourself in a way that would warrant it. In much the same way a guy would wear A314 while looking and acting like an absolute tool…he’ll not get very far despite attraction or the pheromones working. In your case, while I encourage you to be absolutely who you are, do realize…(based solely on what you’ve shared) if you seem too “easy” and/or public even in jokes, guys may be less likely to engage you. I didn’t think of this earlier so I’ll throw all the cold water at once. Guy 2 knows you are interested as well as everyone else in Guy 1. If everyone knows that. What would make guy 2 think anything that happened would be kept quiet? In his mind it’s very well possible that you are the opposite of ideal for his preference. It turns into a social liability situation…in his shoes I wouldn’t bite…but again I’m throwing a lot of opinion in here not based on pheromones. Please do read the thread “what pheromones can do and what they can’t”. I do entreat you to decide what you do want and take some of the outcome into your own hands. If you aren’t sure what you want, that can sadly support lack of respect, treating you like a tease or easy… If you don’t think figuring out what you want is worth your time, why should they? I merely offer that up to you while I serve up some hard news. I believe that is called “Chinese pier inspection” leaving something alone until you get around to deciding you feel like dealing with it. All the while that thing spoils in the time it takes to be inspected. Again these are non pheromone based opinions and hope you do consider them, though you should freely be who you want to be. Not taking into consideration the person you are portraying may work against the product and possibly your expectations in them. All the very best ---
**Author:** ![jamiejean1021](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@jamiejean1021](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamiejean1021)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 5:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flirty-female-25-looking-for-pheromones-to-make-guys-ask-me-out/65050/11 "2015-10-15T17:18:42Z")
Oh no! i hope i didn’t make myself seem ‘easy’ or anything like that! Quite the opposite really. When I say I’m ‘flirty’ it’s very unintentional. I am super social and just love talking to people. Lots of guys come over and hit on me all the time (may make judging hits tough) and I will chat with them because I just love to talk and am super social. It probably appears very flirty to other people, but like I said, I always go home alone. I don’t like being touched so the moment a guy puts his hand on my shoulder, thigh, or just leans to close while talking, Guy #1 and I have a signal and I let him know I’m uncomfortable and he gets the guy to leave. Unfortunately Guy 1 has quit being as physically affectionate with me as well because he see’s that I don’t like it from others, but I actually appreciated it from him. I just naturally flinch at first 😕 I’m weird, I don’t get it. Everyone knows I like Guy 1 because I always go to his bar, and I get weird when I’m drunk and wont let anyone make me drinks but him, even when my other friends offer to give me a refill I’ll be like “No I’ll just wait for \_\_\_\_\_ to come back from his break.” (Don’t ask me why I do this - I have no idea! lol) Once I’m able to start my journal I think I’ll be able to go more detailed on the actual dynamics of the relationships. 🙂 I’m really leaning towards the IH with him though. Hoping for the ability for us to open up about things cause I think it’s a lot of fear of rejection on both of our parts that keeps us holding back. > [@Lillian](#): > > Where is this bar?!?! Coyote Ugly?!?! A strip club?!?! I joke, I joke :o > > My last bit of unsolicited advice and maybe the gents can assist… > As, again I am a libra, people won’t take you seriously or have much or any respect for you if you can’t carry yourself in a way that would warrant it. > > In much the same way a guy would wear A314 while looking and acting like an absolute tool…he’ll not get very far despite attraction or the pheromones working. In your case, while I encourage you to be absolutely who you are, do realize…(based solely on what you’ve shared) if you seem too “easy” and/or public even in jokes, guys may be less likely to engage you. > > I didn’t think of this earlier so I’ll throw all the cold water at once. Guy 2 knows you are interested as well as everyone else in Guy 1. If everyone knows that. What would make guy 2 think anything that happened would be kept quiet? In his mind it’s very well possible that you are the opposite of ideal for his preference. It turns into a social liability situation…in his shoes I wouldn’t bite…but again I’m throwing a lot of opinion in here not based on pheromones. > > Please do read the thread “what pheromones can do and what they can’t”. I do entreat you to decide what you do want and take some of the outcome into your own hands. If you aren’t sure what you want, that can sadly support lack of respect, treating you like a tease or easy… > > If you don’t think figuring out what you want is worth your time, why should they? I merely offer that up to you while I serve up some hard news. > > I believe that is called “Chinese pier inspection” leaving something alone until you get around to deciding you feel like dealing with it. All the while that thing spoils in the time it takes to be inspected. > > Again these are non pheromone based opinions and hope you do consider them, though you should freely be who you want to be. Not taking into consideration the person you are portraying may work against the product and possibly your expectations in them. > > All the very best ---
**Author:** ![Lillian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lillian/32/1269_2.png) [@Lillian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lillian)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 5:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flirty-female-25-looking-for-pheromones-to-make-guys-ask-me-out/65050/12 "2015-10-15T17:59:09Z")
> [@jamiejean1021](#): > > . 🙂 I’m really leaning towards the IH with him though. Hoping for the ability for us to open up about things cause I think it’s a lot of fear of rejection on both of our parts that keeps us holding back. In the end, it is your life. I’m glad you are closer to what you want and have been able to deduce the [pheromone](https://a314.com/) you want to use and for what…that’s what it really comes down to. ---
**Author:** ![jamiejean1021](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@jamiejean1021](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamiejean1021)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 6:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flirty-female-25-looking-for-pheromones-to-make-guys-ask-me-out/65050/13 "2015-10-15T18:05:31Z")
> [@](#): > > Where is this bar?!?! Coyote Ugly?!?! A strip club?!?! I joke, I joke Pretty close on this! lol It’s a country bar in West Hollywood. ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 6:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flirty-female-25-looking-for-pheromones-to-make-guys-ask-me-out/65050/14 "2015-10-15T18:43:48Z")
Avoid the bars for now. 🙂 Test your new pheromones in coffee shops or in places where you cant get some alcohol and turn yourself into “untintentional” flirt. It will ruin your testing. And besides, you need a man who will take you seriously. And you won’t find that man in a bar. Or if you think he is ready to take you seriously, at least pull him out of that bar set up. date him out. Eat lunch or dinner together. Chat. Get to know each other (IH can be useful on this situation). Seduce him later, well, you can start on your first date with your ISexiness, but don’t open all doors just yet. Lure him. Make him do the first move. Otherwise, you will only look too desperate, and it may scare him. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jamiejean1021](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@jamiejean1021](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamiejean1021)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 5:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flirty-female-25-looking-for-pheromones-to-make-guys-ask-me-out/65050/15 "2015-10-16T17:59:11Z")
Just paid $40 for overnight delivery - only to get my receipt and find that it was shipping from literally 2 miles away from my house!!! ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 8:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flirty-female-25-looking-for-pheromones-to-make-guys-ask-me-out/65050/16 "2015-10-16T20:52:58Z")
Wow 2 miles away I wonder if they would just let you walk over there and pick them up. ---
**Author:** ![jamiejean1021](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@jamiejean1021](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamiejean1021)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 9:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flirty-female-25-looking-for-pheromones-to-make-guys-ask-me-out/65050/17 "2015-10-16T21:05:03Z")
At this point I’m just hoping to hear back in time to change it to standard shipping. I would rather not pay $40 if it would have gotten to me the next day anyway. > [@justintime469](#): > > Wow 2 miles away I wonder if they would just let you walk over there and pick them up. ---
**Author:** ![Lillian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lillian/32/1269_2.png) [@Lillian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lillian)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 9:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flirty-female-25-looking-for-pheromones-to-make-guys-ask-me-out/65050/18 "2015-10-16T21:35:31Z")
> [@jamiejean1021](#): > > At this point I’m just hoping to hear back in time to change it to standard shipping. I would rather not pay $40 if it would have gotten to me the next day anyway. I just put in another order, there is a box you check at checkout for standard shipping…just remember for the future…and hey girl! Come on over to the Women’s forum and get the journal started, IT’S TIME!!! 😉🙂😃 ---
**Author:** ![jamiejean1021](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@jamiejean1021](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamiejean1021)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2015, 10:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/flirty-female-25-looking-for-pheromones-to-make-guys-ask-me-out/65050/19 "2015-10-16T22:11:12Z")
I wanted overnight at the time cause I was worried about it arriving in time for my bday plans - it wasn’t until after I purchased it and got the receipt that I saw where it was shipping from 😕 I will definitely not make that mistake again. I will start the journal as soon as I receive the package and am able to try it out! 🙂 > [@Lillian](#): > > I just put in another order, there is a box you check at checkout for standard shipping…just remember for the future…and hey girl! Come on over to the Women’s forum and get the journal started, IT’S TIME!!! 😉🙂😃