# for newbies (and intro respnders) What "too sexual" really means **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 17, 2009, 6:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/for-newbies-and-intro-respnders-what-too-sexual-really-means/34151 "2009-11-17T06:36:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![flight](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flight/32/989_2.png) [@flight](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flight)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2009, 6:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/for-newbies-and-intro-respnders-what-too-sexual-really-means/34151/1 "2009-11-17T06:36:15Z")
I have made this post because there is a common statement in the responses to intros I have noticed, which, while it is in one sense a very important statement for responses for intros, without completion or further explanation, can be misleading. It is kind of irrelevant to women, as there is no change in the nature of the effects of copulins when a women wears more, there is simply more of the original effects. The basic statement is this: “You don’t want to use/use too much of product xxxxx because it might be too sexual.” This is true, but misleading because of the change in the nature of the effects of products when truly overdosing and the reputation of [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) outside of this forum to be “voodoo juice” that will have the opposite sex doing anything to have sex with you. If someone is truly new to this forum and hears “too sexual,” they are probably thinking at best “They are saying I will be out of their league” and at worst "They are saying women will f_ck me so hard and so publicly that I won’t be able to take it." If they thought the latter then the next though will probably be “I don’t think that’s possible” either because they are skeptical of the ability of pheromones, because they don’t think they can be f_cked that hard or publicly, or both. So to those responding to intros, make sure you give a pretty good description of what a true none OD is like (not just a saveable, light ghosting, “on edge” OD) and remember to remind them that even if they can find a good amount of none that it is a sticky molecule, and therefore the perfect amount of none of Monday may be different than on Friday. Here is my description (color code: **brown=guy thoughts** , pink=girl thoughts) of the different stages of the androstenone (considered the main male sexual pheromone), or none OD. An important thing to remember is that this is a pheromone of sexuallity _while at the same time_ being one of aggression (more towards simple motivation/energy at correct doses). **1) Light ghosting:** “On edge” I personally do not consider this a true OD, as it can be saved or not even noticed depending on the situation. The overdoser will experience a lack of people wanting to do things with him, but not a proactive attempt to avoid and ignore him. This is the one point where you are possibly “too sexy to approach” for the situation for women. What is going through peoples’ heads is something along the lines of:\* **“I don’t want to mess with this guy because he has muscles” for guys**. \*If it is merely a light ghosting, simply add disinhibition through other mones, situation, by already knowing them, etc. If the disinhibition was already there, you will never even experience the OD. **2) Heavier ghosting:** Just past “the edge” and where it stops becoming saveable. Here one experiences people making **proactive** attempts to ignore and avoid. This is because you are no longer “too sexy to approach,” but too crazy. What is going through peoples’ heads is something along the lines of:\*\*_"I don’t want to mess with this guy because he has DOESN’T have muscles, he just seems like he would be hiding a knife and would use it,"_ for guys, and dito for girls but also with “He’s too much of a perv/horndog.” **3) FIGHT TIME!:** A big OD on the aggression molecule will cause men (and possibly some aggressive women) to want to fight you. Here is what is probably going through their heads: \*\*\*“I _DO_ want to mess with this guy, because he _DOESN’T_ have muscles, seems crazy, and seems like he would think he was awesome because he won a gun-fight with a knife, but I can see he doesn’t have either so its \*FIGHT TIME!”\*\*and essentially you’re getting closer and closer by the spray to: guy wanking in public while staring at women while screaming their names and obscenities with a bomb in his free hand.😮 (Now THAT guy is a player am I right? 🙄) Personally, I don’t find none even in non-OD doses to give people the impression that you have muscles as much as it does the impression that you would have more of the aggression/energy/knowledge to be badass with the muscles that you DO have. This also fits in quite nicely with the common statement throughout these forums of it being 90% pheros, 10% you. This is not an attack on those responding to intros. It is simply a reminder to fully explain everything you say in your responses, because they are most likely either going to ask or use the much longer, more annoying process of finding out for themselves, either by searching here or by making their own mistakes. Consider a hypothetical situation like this: A guy has a relationship that was originally a good one that he values very highly but is currently falling apart. He reads that one should always stick with one product and dosage areas and amounts for one full week before trying something else, and picks something with a way too high dose of none. A lot can happen in a week. I **definantly** encourage everyone to make their own mistakes at least once, but once is often enough, and it will be easier to recognize that one mistake (hopefully purposeful for the sake of having made that mistake in a controlled environment) when it happens if they know exactly what to make of it. I have made it plenty of times myself,:o and am proof that people are constantly changing their memories of people based on their current view of those people.😃 Still, it is annoying to have to reconstruct a reputation if your screw up was with people you know or care about, rather than random strangers. I just wanted to clarify this for the newbies, and hope that they understand that while the exxageration of some of my statements is always at least slightly present when I really want to get a point accross, the directionality of these statements is true. Please don’t let them discourage you from OD’ing, but rather encourage you to OD in a controlled way now that you know better and personally what people mean when they say “too sexual.” To those who are looking at my rep points and scratching their heads, I may be fairly new to posting, but I have been doing plenty of testing and reading. (You can change the rep points if you wish! 😉 LOL jk.) ---
**Author:** ![Butterfly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/butterfly/32/1942_2.png) [@Butterfly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Butterfly)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2009, 2:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/for-newbies-and-intro-respnders-what-too-sexual-really-means/34151/2 "2009-11-17T14:50:37Z")
LOL at the toughts! This is well written and funny! I guess the light ghost could be okay for a guy in the bedroom with his wife on occasion. She knows him, knows he uses pheros, knows he isn’t a perv in any way she does not like. There are no other guys around so I could see that work. ---
**Author:** ![interestedone09](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/interestedone09/32/760_2.png) [@interestedone09](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/interestedone09)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2009, 4:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/for-newbies-and-intro-respnders-what-too-sexual-really-means/34151/3 "2009-11-17T16:44:23Z")
Awesome post! Rep for sure! ---
**Author:** ![flight](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flight/32/989_2.png) [@flight](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flight)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2009, 6:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/for-newbies-and-intro-respnders-what-too-sexual-really-means/34151/4 "2009-11-17T18:52:18Z")
> [@Butterfly](#): > > I guess the light ghost could be okay for a guy in the bedroom with his wife on occasion. She knows him, knows he uses pheros, knows he isn’t a perv in any way she does not like. There are no other guys around so I could see that work. Yes, in fact, a light ghost is almost PERFECT if you know how or when to use it. If you do it with people you know, that is almost always a form of disinhibition, and therefore it works. ---
**Author:** ![Butterfly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/butterfly/32/1942_2.png) [@Butterfly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Butterfly)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2009, 11:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/for-newbies-and-intro-respnders-what-too-sexual-really-means/34151/5 "2009-11-17T23:34:24Z")
> [@flight](#): > > Yes, in fact, a light ghost is almost PERFECT if you know how or when to use it. If you do it with people you know, that is almost always a form of disinhibition, and therefore it works. Or like a kind of roleplay to spice things up. Like a suburban husband and dad that werewolfs into a dangerous, feral, ravishing sex fiend. Errr, maybe I’m watching too much Dexter. ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 8:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/for-newbies-and-intro-respnders-what-too-sexual-really-means/34151/6 "2009-11-18T20:15:39Z")
I am having trouble really agreeing with the post… at all… I was hoping someone else would post, but I will. “It is kind of irrelevant to women, as there is no change in the nature of the effects of copulins when a women wears more, there is simply more of the original effects.” This for one is most inaccurate, I am surprised none of the ladies have not commented on this. A lot of cops or a od on cops can be quite embarrassing for the ladies as it can be for guys. I for one have OD’d on cops, and let me tell you, high fives from guys as well as EXCESSIVE interest from ladies, is not always appropriate, not to mention some ladies are extremely “clean freaks” and “HATE” the smell of copulins, they avoid it like the plague, which this can be extremely awkward because it pops out of the subconscious barrier and into the… "Dude… you smell like P\_\_\_) All of the Light to extreme OD thoughts you described are kind a bit out of wack and let me explain how. Light OD (no such thing) this is how phero’s like -rone work, it gives an air of arrogance and knowledge, status and stature where others do not wish to do anything that will upset you or irritate you. This can piss people off over time, they will think you are better than them, as each time they do not want to upset you and think you are arrogant, this will cause ENVY and this is seen more over time. Rone creates envy, none creates a emotional anchor to the fight or flight, you have a 50-50 shot of being (The Guy, or The Prick). Ghosting - There is only one ghosting in terms of -none. That would be the "This person does not exist, or this person smells like a homeless guy who baithed in flowers but no soap. They do not acknowledge you, or are afraid to look at you because you might talk to them… and then what… AAAAaaahhhh This I feel is more accurate with levels of 1 Microgram of -none to 60 Micrograms of -none. ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 9:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/for-newbies-and-intro-respnders-what-too-sexual-really-means/34151/7 "2009-11-18T21:21:15Z")
i had a post saved last night but my computer restarted due to upgrades so i lost it. the gist of it was that this weeds out the good intro responders from the bad ones. a good one will craft a better response from the newcomer in order to make better recommendations. personality, environment, age, sex of targets (gay couples are out there, and there is a product for gay men), type of relationship existing and desired (high school puppy love, dating, serious ltr), a whole bunch of other factors. also, not everything can or should be solved with -none. perhaps it is a communication issue in the relationship, thus socials would help. maybe it is a status issue, and a314 can lend a hand. a good intro responder will use the information given to make a serious recommendation. finally, “too sexual” has to be taken (or given) in context. many times it is referred to in terms of the environment. if you wear something mildly sexual and you work in a place where it is inappropriate to be sexual, then yes, it will be too sexual. you could wear that same mix to the club or something and be perfectly fine. dj made some good points regarding cops and -none od. ---
**Author:** ![flight](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flight/32/989_2.png) [@flight](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flight)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 9:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/for-newbies-and-intro-respnders-what-too-sexual-really-means/34151/8 "2009-11-18T21:35:38Z")
Thanks for the insight and another opinion. However, I still have the same opinion based on my experiences with it. > [@djandarial](#): > > I am having trouble really agreeing with the post… at all… > > I was hoping someone else would post, but I will. > > “It is kind of irrelevant to women, as there is no change in the **nature** of the effects of copulins when a women wears more, there is simply more of the original effects.” > > This for one is most inaccurate, I am surprised none of the ladies have not commented on this. > > A lot of cops or a od on cops can be quite embarrassing for the ladies as it can be for guys. > > I for one have OD’d on cops, and let me tell you, high fives from guys as well as EXCESSIVE interest from ladies, is not always appropriate, not to mention some ladies are extremely “clean freaks” and “HATE” the smell of copulins, they avoid it like the plague, which this can be extremely awkward because it pops out of the subconscious barrier and into the… "Dude… you smell like P\_\_\_) What you say here as far as I can tell actually does agree with what I said, although the lack of me providing some details may have lead to some miscommunications. First off, I was assuming a good cover scent, and therefore talking only about the affects of the pheros on the VNO, not the rest of the nose. Second, I was talking only about ladies using cops, not guys using them for social proofing. Thirdly, it seems to me that other than the smell, you seem to suggest that ODing on cops provides merely stronger effects of the same kind. On a guy these would be social proofing, which would mean that guys would want to be giving you high fives and certain girls excessive interest. Therefore, while the addition of more of the same effects can be innapropriate, this was more of a reminder that certain mones can have very different effects at different levels than a reminder that too much of a certain effect can be innapropriate. Everyone knows and can figure out what that would be like. > [@djandarial](#): > > All of the Light to extreme OD thoughts you described are kind a bit out of wack and let me explain how. > > Light OD (no such thing) this is how phero’s like -rone work, it gives an air of arrogance and knowledge, status and stature where others do not wish to do anything that will upset you or irritate you. Essentially that was what I was saying in the first place. The first few times I OD’d but just barely, I found that as long as I approached people, or used socials, etc. that what I thought was an OD could be saved. Basically I was saying that a dose that might be fine for clubbing might be an OD at work, but because it isn’t always an OD, it can probably be saved in places and with people where it is an OD by adding some form of disinhibition or the likes. Therefore I was trying to make the point that this isn’t truly an OD, even though I suppose I didn’t spell my point out. > [@djandarial](#): > > This can piss people off over time, they will think you are better than them, as each time they do not want to upset you and think you are arrogant, this will cause ENVY and this is seen more over time. Rone creates envy, none creates a emotional anchor to the fight or flight, you have a 50-50 shot of being (The Guy, or The Prick). I haven’t had much envy or gotten that I’m a cocky bastard from people like that very much at all from none or rone, although I do find I get that type of feeling from other guys who either were in that position compared to me before I started using mones or with guys who in general already thought poorly of me in some way or another. This is more rare in the current environment I have been testing mones in, although I have noticed it, and it has increased over time. Also I did say in my post more or less that you do have a chance of being The Guy or The Prick, however I used two main factors to explain the outcome: dose and disinhibition, either situational or otherwise. I suppose that predisposition that is either preexisting or created at a first meeting (which seems to me to be created mainly situationally) should also factor in here, although in a way it falls under disinhibition. An example might be if they are predisposed to thinking you are a player, they will be nervous around you when their girl is there too. Being nervous can be a form of inhibition, although I could, and perhaps should, have included other factors. Even though they don’t seem to effect me much, they may effect others more. Like I said though, this is my explanation and is therefore based on my experience which, due to differences from your age and usual situational circumstances, is likely fairly different from your experience, and therefore I thank you for your addition, despite its disagreement with my own, seemingly due for the most part to miscommunication. The main point of this post was not to debate what exactly a none OD is like, and I am sorry I got off topic and into that debate type of mindframe in posting this. \*\*My original point was merely to warn people that when someone says too sexual, they don’t usually mean that using too much will get you f\*cked so hard and publicly that you won’t be able to take it, which as I said earlier is the main idea and often want of many people when introduced to pheros. \*\* Once again my apologies for going off topic, miscommunication, and otherwise, and thank you for your point. I feel that for the most part it actually agrees with what I said and was trying to say, even if you didn’t read it that way. If you still do not feel that I have cleared that up, please post again in more detail what you were trying to say and had problems with, as I appreciate your opinion, and have a feeling I may not have fully understood exactly what **you** were trying to say in your reply, or missed your point. I do not think so, hope not nonetheless, and hope more still that if I have I will be informed such that this can be cleared up, firstly to me, as well as to others. ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2009, 6:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/for-newbies-and-intro-respnders-what-too-sexual-really-means/34151/9 "2009-11-30T18:56:39Z")
Why don’t you ask JV Kohl about the Human VNO. I read between the lines, and I’d like to know how you enjoy your stint on NLP usage. Thirdly, There is OD on cops, it is when our brain makes the association on a conscious level that this woman is ovulating in a way that given the situation I am either not attracted or am sickened by the fact that this woman is getting wet over our conversation of say “Cloud shapes”. Regardless if you have “worn cops for 12 years”, I still find the scent of copulins in high doses uncovered a turn off in most besides sexual situations. ---
**Author:** ![flight](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flight/32/989_2.png) [@flight](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flight)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 5:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/for-newbies-and-intro-respnders-what-too-sexual-really-means/34151/10 "2009-12-01T05:45:14Z")
> [@djandarial](#): > > Why don’t you ask JV Kohl about the Human VNO. > > I read between the lines, and I’d like to know how you enjoy your stint on NLP usage. > > Thirdly, There is OD on cops, it is when our brain makes the association on a conscious level that this woman is ovulating in a way that given the situation I am either not attracted or am sickened by the fact that this woman is getting wet over our conversation of say “Cloud shapes”. > > Regardless if you have “worn cops for 12 years”, I still find the scent of copulins in high doses uncovered a turn off in most besides sexual situations. Yes I have more recently read more about how some [pheromone](https://a314.com/) experts don’t think the vno is the culprit for the effects of mones, so once again let me rephrase (although this time due to lack of my own research). I merely meant that I was talking only about the pheromonal effects themselves once the effects of the pheros’ scents themselves had been well covered. I have some EOW and even though it is newer, I must agree, IT NEEDS COVERING! I hadn’t read about or seen that kind of OD, but it does make sense to me and it is different then what you described in your earlier post. Thanks a lot for the info, as it will be important and helpful for those who read this thread.