# for the ladies... **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [January 26, 2007, 12:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/for-the-ladies/1766 "2007-01-26T00:30:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![The\_King](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_king/32/2016_2.png) [@The\_King](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/The_King)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2007, 12:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/for-the-ladies/1766/1 "2007-01-26T00:30:55Z")
Hi, A question for the ladies. I have been experimenting with turn up the heat (small doses) and have found it to be an excellent attractant. I was curious as to what mens Androtics products the women find most attractive? I have read a lot about Ammunition, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 1:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/for-the-ladies/1766/2 "2007-01-27T01:02:34Z")
I think the only men’s products I have are A314 (which I got for hubby but I don’t think he’s wearing it) and Dirty (which I got for me). I like A314 tremendously, when I wear it - I think I’d like it very much on men. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 4:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/for-the-ladies/1766/3 "2007-01-27T04:38:27Z")
huge fan of [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/). instant shine is another. the guys i know that are either around it or wearing just come off as happy…going on..carefree which is VERY sexxay! i happen to have a dose of TUTH that is a little much for me,but when properly diluted,its hot. my only problem with it is that it works on me with people i know, not with people im not close to . ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 5:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/for-the-ladies/1766/4 "2007-01-27T17:06:23Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > my only problem with it is that it works on me with people i know, not with people im not close to . Can you explain further, please? ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 11:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/for-the-ladies/1766/5 "2007-01-27T23:05:50Z")
> [@nbully79](#): > > Can you explain further, please? happy to explain, i feel strongly i know the reason people fail with it… people go for the androstenone heavy mixes because they are going for a sexual mix. the problem with androstenone to me is that its a very caveman/instant jerk feel to it. i get the feeling of cockiness, arrogance,i want you for 10 minutes and then go away. when you use pheromixes like instant shine , IO, IH, CTTM, sunshine… these are the social “im fun your fun lets be fun together” mixes. i want to chat you up this way. im feelin ya,converation is happenin’, maybe we could hang in a more private place…this is when i would spring the TUTH! at this point TUTH is interpreted as sexual tension, because it wasnt there before i met you. theres no “i was going to have sex with or without you”… i hope i am comming across, i have trouble expressing my ideas when im excited on a topic!🙂 ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2007, 3:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/for-the-ladies/1766/6 "2007-01-28T15:33:40Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > happy to explain, i feel strongly i know the reason people fail with it… > people go for the androstenone heavy mixes because they are going for a sexual mix. > the problem with androstenone to me is that its a very caveman/instant jerk feel to it. i get the feeling of cockiness, arrogance,i want you for 10 minutes and then go away. > when you use pheromixes like instant shine , Instant Openness, Instant Honesty, CTTM, sunshine… these are the social “im fun your fun lets be fun together” mixes. > i want to chat you up this way. > im feelin ya,converation is happenin’, maybe we could hang in a more private place…this is when i would spring the Turn Up The Heat! > at this point TUTH is interpreted as sexual tension, because it wasnt there before i met you. theres no “i was going to have sex with or without you”… > i hope i am comming across, i have trouble expressing my ideas when im excited on a topic!🙂 Thanks! You seem to explain effects in a more reality oriented way and from a female persepective which is really helpful. I would like to pick your brain a little more, if you don’t mind! So, what I understood from your post is that with people you know a heavy -none product translates to sexual tension as the comfort has already been established, but with new people it comes across as cockiness and arrogance! Did, I understand correctly? What if Ammunition was used instead of TUTH in the private scenario, will that be perceived as lower and not enough sexual tension? Can the comfort be lost on sudden introduction of TUTH even though it went smoothly during conversation and now you are at a private place where both agreed to be? Maybe the girl wanted to have sex with the guy with [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) signature and now that you are a guy with -none signature she doesn’t want to?? So, my question is can you ever be sure that introducing -none is _definitely_ a good idea (let’s not get into ovulation, we are talking about new people here)? Also, does this mean -none has no place when first meeting and attracting new people? How does a “carefully disguised” -none like in Ammo feel to you? Do you still get any caveman vibe with it? ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2007, 4:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/for-the-ladies/1766/7 "2007-01-28T16:00:15Z")
> [@](#): > > So, what I understood from your post is that with people you know a heavy -none product translates to sexual tension as the comfort has already been established, but with new people it comes across as cockiness and arrogance! Did, I understand correctly? yes. when there is tention before i ever arrived and i think “well you were going to score with anyone and i got here first” i dont mean that anyone with a heavy 'none signiture is comming across this way, but honestly i dont think anyone applying more 'none is applying in a _natural_ amount,ever. thats just my experience. > [@](#): > > Can the comfort be lost on sudden introduction of Turn Up The Heat even though it went smoothly during conversation and now you are at a private place where both agreed to be? Maybe the girl wanted to have sex with the guy with Instant Shine signature and now that you are a guy with -none signature she doesn’t want to?? im not convinced it works like that. i think the girl (we think different) that grooved on the shine-guy is now in a mentally different place,where things are acceptable to a certain degree. once things move to another level,you made it. theres the possibility. thats NOT the i want shine girl,lol,atleast if shes wanting to go somewhere more private. > [@](#): > > So, my question is can you ever be sure that introducing -none is _definitely_ a good idea (let’s not get into ovulation, we are talking about new people here)? no. you can never be sure. feeling out the situation is always necessary,but atleast here you know not to be heavy with it in the first few minutes 😃 > [@](#): > > What if Ammunition was used instead of Turn Up The Heat in the private scenario, will that be perceived as lower and not enough sexual tension? this is different to me. Ammo _for all i know_ may have more 'none in it than TUTH. i dont know what it has, all i know is that i have the “shiny” version of it, and i think “player…hottie…fun…NOT just a friend…” i still think Ammo has plenty if not ALOT of sexual tension,but it doesnt feel to me to be something only used for special situations. remember too that these are just my experiences so i know other people dont have the same theories. alot of this to me is _timing_, like you have dinner **then** dessert, instead of “lets have dessert and hopefully you’ll know i meant to offer dinner but i didnt think about it. hey,look! whipped cream!” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2007, 7:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/for-the-ladies/1766/8 "2007-01-28T19:30:15Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > yes. when there is tention before i ever arrived and i think “well you were going to score with anyone and i got here first” > i dont mean that anyone with a heavy 'none signiture is comming across this way, but honestly i dont think anyone applying more 'none is applying in a _natural_ amount,ever. thats just my experience. > > im not convinced it works like that. > i think the girl (we think different) that grooved on the shine-guy is now in a mentally different place,where things are acceptable to a certain degree. once things move to another level,you made it. theres the possibility. thats NOT the i want shine girl,lol,atleast if shes wanting to go somewhere more private. > > no. you can never be sure. feeling out the situation is always necessary,but atleast here you know not to be heavy with it in the first few minutes 😃 > > this is different to me. > Ammo _for all i know_ may have more 'none in it than Turn Up The Heat. i dont know what it has, all i know is that i have the “shiny” version of it, and i think “player…hottie…fun…NOT just a friend…” > i still think Ammo has plenty if not ALOT of sexual tension,but it doesnt feel to me to be something only used for special situations. > > remember too that these are just my experiences so i know other people dont have the same theories. > alot of this to me is _timing_, like you have dinner **then** dessert, instead of “lets have dessert and hopefully you’ll know i meant to offer dinner but i didnt think about it. hey,look! whipped cream!” 😃 That’s a lot of useful info. I have few more questions, though. Maybe you like the TAA and -nol aspects of Ammo. Have you felt any different around the guy wearing Ammo vs same guy wearing [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/)? From what I have read Ammo and TUTH regular both have 2.5 mcg/spray of -none. The TUTH you have is the 5 mcg/spray version. I have the same one too and don’t like it much. I have had great results sometimes with -none products, with some added -nol as I am sure other men have too. What I wonder is what are those women thinking? Are they thinking this is a guy which can satisfy me sexually, or are they just feeling hot and I am the one nearest to them, or something else? Friendly, fun pheromone hits I understand, but -none hits are sometimes too over the top and I have failed to find a pattern. The strange thing was sometimes the -none hits are indistinguishable from Shine hits or -nol hits. Women just feel comfortable to be around you. What is happening there? So, -none alone (like PI, TUTH) seems to be enough to generate good feelings in them! Are they thinking sex, or are they thinking this is a fun guy to be around? Please answer at your leisure. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2007, 8:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/for-the-ladies/1766/9 "2007-01-28T20:58:24Z")
> [@](#): > > Are they thinking this is a guy which can satisfy me sexually, or are they just feeling hot and I am the one nearest to them, or something else? i dont think (please correct me if im wrong) that most women in general are just hoping to sniff out a man that can satisfy them sexually. women by nature are looking for men that have _the right qualities_ first,even though i dont think its a conscious choice.sex wouldnt be the first deciding factor as it would be for a man. > [@](#): > > The strange thing was sometimes the -none hits are indistinguishable from Shine hits or -Androstenol hits. Women just feel comfortable to be around you. What is happening there? So, -none alone (like Primal Instinct, Turn Up The Heat) seems to be enough to generate good feelings in them! Are they thinking sex, or are they thinking this is a fun guy to be around? i would not attribute good feelings in women you just met to 'none. nothing about 'none makes it comfortable to be around you. maybe you are a strong **'rone** maker? i dont think people wear primal/TUTH to comfort women, and i dont think i have ever mistook a shine feeling for a TUTH feeling. i think more credit should be placed on **you** as an individual,as a personality, and the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) just steered the direction somewhat. men think women think like they do (which is natural as **we do it too** ) so i would be thinking ,if i were a man, that i need to stop thinking she is thinking sex,_ **especially** _ if we just met, and think she is not in the same mental space. getting along with you on all other topics doesnt mean great she must want to have sex 😃 had to say that, i know you dont think that!🙂 > [@](#): > > Maybe you like the TAA and -Androstenol aspects of Ammo. Have you felt any different around the guy wearing Ammo vs same guy wearing Instant Shine? i like instant shine alot. funny thing is that i would swear there is something different in Ammo than in instant shine because i actually feel more uplifted with Ammo. maybe its synergistic? wouldnt make sense if it was picked apart and analyzed? i dont know. i know im not every woman, but i definately have a genuine interest in the effects and the _whys_ . i pay close attention to the reactions like you do, and mental note them all!🙂 ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2007, 9:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/for-the-ladies/1766/10 "2007-01-28T21:49:44Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > women by nature are looking for men that have _the right qualities_ first,even though i dont think its a conscious choice.sex wouldnt be the first deciding factor as it would be for a man. This has been discussed umpteen times here in different forms. From my own experiences I have found women to prefer two qualities in men: charm and passion. I couldn’t think of anything else which was not a subset of these two. I know you are a big fan of ‘charm’. Do you think it’s possible for a person to loose his ‘charm’? > [@Lor](#): > > i would not attribute good feelings in women you just met to 'none. > nothing about 'none makes it comfortable to be around you. > maybe you are a strong **'Androsterone** maker? > i dont think people wear primal/Turn Up The Heat to comfort women, and i dont think i have ever mistook a shine feeling for a Turn Up The Heat feeling. > i think more credit should be placed on **you** as an individual,as a personality, and the pheromones just steered the direction somewhat. > men think women think like they do (which is natural as **we do it too** ) so i would be thinking ,if i were a man, that i need to stop thinking she is thinking sex,_ **especially** _ if we just met, and think she is not in the same mental space. getting along with you on all other topics doesnt mean great she must want to have sex 😃 > had to say that, i know you dont think that!🙂 . Maybe I am a strong 'Androsterone producer. I will try to keep that in mind when working with my mixes. > [@Lor](#): > > i like instant shine alot. > funny thing is that i would swear there is something different in Ammo than in instant shine because i actually feel more uplifted with Ammo. > maybe its synergistic? wouldnt make sense if it was picked apart and analyzed? i dont know. > i know im not every woman, but i definately have a genuine interest in the effects and the _whys_ . i pay close attention to the reactions like you do, and mental note them all!🙂 Very interesting! Lor, I am going to add some of these to my blog. I hope you don’t mind. Even though I agree about the synergistic effect it really disturbs me as that means I cannot get a feel for what a molecule does exactly and have it added to a mix to get the same effect regardless of other molecules presence. So in that vein… Does your Ammo version has -Androsterone. I know there are two different popular versions of Ammo (1.0 and 1.5). One with -none, TAA and -Androstenol and the other with added -Androsterone? I also recall you like -Androsterone a lot too (makes your knees weak, is that right?). Another difference between Ammo and [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) is the cologne smell. Could that be a factor? ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2007, 10:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/for-the-ladies/1766/11 "2007-01-28T22:57:44Z")
i like the smell of it alot, but i think its because the pheromix makes me likey alot of things,lol. i have the 1.5 version of Ammo. i dont even think that is the 'rone version although it would make an aweful lot of sense if it was! 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Mak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@Mak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mak)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 11:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/for-the-ladies/1766/12 "2007-01-29T11:54:01Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > Ammo _for all i know_ may have more 'none in it than Turn Up The Heat. i dont know what it has, all i know is that i have the “shiny” version of it, and i think “player…hottie…fun…NOT just a friend…” > i still think Ammo has plenty if not ALOT of sexual tension,but it doesnt feel to me to be something only used for special situations. From my recollection, They have the same anone content, but while it is the major act in TUTH, it is not in ammo. TUTH is 2.5mcg/spray plus additives, p79 and what’s not. Ammo has 2.5mcg/spray anone, lots of-nol(s), and almost sure TAA, hence your ‘shiny’ reference. Rone?, not sure, it is more “exciting” than rone products. So the phero load in ammo is larger, and is a good mix I have to say, almost always grabbing attention of passer-by’s with 2-3 sprays. I’m having a second wind of it now actually. And Yes, I have the 1.5 ammo as well. ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 2:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/for-the-ladies/1766/13 "2007-01-29T14:49:09Z")
Lor, I need to spread some rep before I can give it to you. Thanks a lot for the useful info. I will be visiting this thread again. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 3:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/for-the-ladies/1766/14 "2007-01-29T15:30:53Z")
got some good info from you as well here,nbully!!! good luck and post away!🙂 ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2007, 9:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/for-the-ladies/1766/15 "2007-02-03T21:58:10Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > i like the smell of it alot, but i think its because the pheromix makes me likey alot of things,lol. > i have the 1.5 version of Ammo. > i dont even think that is the 'Androsterone version although it would make an aweful lot of sense if it was! 😕 I found a post from Michael, which says that version 1.5 has -rone in it. Check it out: > [@What's in Ammunition?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-in-ammunition/455/3): > > The latest shipping version, 1.5, has 4 [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/): -none, -rone, -nol and TAA, along with a scent package from the world’s #1 parfum technology house. I guess it’s too easy for people to use to really garner discussion. slight_smile That explains your fascination with Ammo I guess 🙄 😛 😃 . Well, to some extent anyway!🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2007, 10:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/for-the-ladies/1766/16 "2007-02-03T22:12:10Z")
you sweetheart! this explains it in a nutshell 🙂 > [@](#): > > The latest shipping version, 1.5, has 4 pheromones: -none, -Androsterone, - Androstenol and [TAA](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/), along with a scent package from the world’s #1 parfum technology house. > > I guess it’s too easy for people to use to really garner discussion. 🙂 it doesnt get better than that. no wonder i sniff the bottle when im lonely!😃 'rone and TAA … cant think of two better friends for 'nol and 'none…