# Found a base mix I personally enjoy (P75 + P83 + TAC). Would like some ideas. **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 18, 2015, 5:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/found-a-base-mix-i-personally-enjoy-p75-p83-tac-would-like-some-ideas/64816 "2015-08-18T17:06:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Angeheim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/848f3c/32.png) [@Angeheim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Angeheim)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2015, 5:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/found-a-base-mix-i-personally-enjoy-p75-p83-tac-would-like-some-ideas/64816/1 "2015-08-18T17:06:25Z")
I recently grabbed a few pocket atomizers. My original plan was to put some of the “ready-use” scents (IS, Ammo S, TUTH, etc.) into respective bottles, but I postponed that idea for a bit after realizing that carrying multiple bottles could be a bit cumbersome, and instead decided to mix multiple mones into a single bottle. This is what I ended up with: P75 2.5 mcg x 4 sprays P83 5 mcg x 4 sprays TAC 5 mcg x 6 sprays Extra eau de toilette x 10\* sprays - This is a different, smaller nozzle from the AD standard 30ml bottle nozzles, so I couldn’t guess the volume. The mix that I got? Well, I actually enjoyed it! The amount of extra EdT wasn’t overwhelming, so it exudes a rather pleasant “body smell”. The discreetness is also a charm to me, and I figured I could wear it when I don’t want to smell “bombastic”. As for the self-effects? it was noticeably arousing, though not to unmanageable levels. I wore it to a pub on a couple of occasions the past week, but I can’t say anything for certain on how it affects women (if it reaches other people at all), because I also wore Ammo Summer. There’s also the fact that [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) concentration per spray was lessened by the inclusion of an extra scent. So? that’s all I have for now. Not much of a report, but the reason I posted this is to hear some opinions on the mix (like how the three ingredients could play off each other), as well as possible variants I could branch out from it. I intend to mix it again real soon, and even bought a few plastic pipettes for a more precise measurement - and without an extra scent this time. ---
**Author:** ![Meister\_Pharaoh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@Meister\_Pharaoh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Meister_Pharaoh)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 4:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/found-a-base-mix-i-personally-enjoy-p75-p83-tac-would-like-some-ideas/64816/2 "2015-08-19T04:58:36Z")
Try switching out TAC for P96; or even just adding P96. [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) summer already has extra mones for moderation, so adding that along to your TAC may over moderate your P75. Are you familiar with what each mone does? Try blind testing to get a feel for how it works. This is also gets you to practise how to spot IOIs! My suggestion would be to run P75/P83/IS, and IG/P75/IS (careful with this one you could end up with people perceiving you as an older, haughty uncle). ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 7:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/found-a-base-mix-i-personally-enjoy-p75-p83-tac-would-like-some-ideas/64816/3 "2015-08-19T07:16:11Z")
TAC and [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) in mixes does work nicley IME - and the P83 is an interesting addition. 🙂 I’d look again at your mixing/application doses though, whilst it could be possible that you are diluting down to an adequate dose of P75, that TAC/P83 dose looks very low indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Angeheim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/848f3c/32.png) [@Angeheim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Angeheim)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 2:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/found-a-base-mix-i-personally-enjoy-p75-p83-tac-would-like-some-ideas/64816/4 "2015-08-19T14:47:49Z")
@MeisterPharaoh I’ve been seeing mentions of P96 all over the forum, but I don’t have it yet. Will keep in mind for future though. I think I’m aware of some basic traits of each mone: - TAC is a relaxant, with a rather “interesting” additional effect on women, according to the forums. - P83 is a disinhibitor, plus I’ve observed it to have a “depressing” effect on my by itself. - [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) is… probably where the arousal came from; I generally summarize it as “maleness” for the time being. I’ve noticed posts on how -none (particularly TUTH and IJ) makes a person come off as aggressive/intimidating, so I intended the mix to be a milder attractant - hence the inclusion of P75 - although the only party I can say for certain it attracted so far was me. XD @mobocaster Yes, I need more precision in my ratios, which I’ll see to the next time I mix it. (Mones don’t react with each other or other perfumes in bottles, do they? I hope not.) Assuming I want to keep the ingredient list in the current mix as it is, what ratio of P75 to the other two would you suggest? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 4:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/found-a-base-mix-i-personally-enjoy-p75-p83-tac-would-like-some-ideas/64816/5 "2015-08-19T16:38:28Z")
They can be wrecked by other cologne components, yes. Some essential oils and antibacterials can wipe-out your pheros. Difficult to suggest ratios with this way of mixing as the EDT volume in an unknown quantity but I’d suggesting some proper testing by layering to establish the best doses for each. ---
**Author:** ![Angeheim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/848f3c/32.png) [@Angeheim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Angeheim)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 4:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/found-a-base-mix-i-personally-enjoy-p75-p83-tac-would-like-some-ideas/64816/6 "2015-08-19T16:56:57Z")
I guess. The difficult part about the EDT is that its bottleneck is tightly sealed off by a metal cap. But I just realized that I could spray it into a spare atomizer and siphon that out with a pipette, so I’ll do that the next time I want to mix it in. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 8:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/found-a-base-mix-i-personally-enjoy-p75-p83-tac-would-like-some-ideas/64816/7 "2015-08-19T20:10:20Z")
I would prefer it if you carried it in a seperate atomiser and layered it rearby the pero points - that way you greatly reduce the risk of damage from any cologne components and you don’t have its unknown volume messing-up your mix proportions. I know you want to minimise bottles but is two too much? ---
**Author:** ![mrseeker](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mrseeker/32/5177_2.png) [@mrseeker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mrseeker)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 9:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/found-a-base-mix-i-personally-enjoy-p75-p83-tac-would-like-some-ideas/64816/8 "2015-08-19T21:14:17Z")
I don’t say TAC is a relaxant. I would rather describe it as “attractant”, since my girlfriend tends to hug me every time I was wearing TAC. I tried a TAC-TAL combo on a saleswoman and it got her fired up on all engines, getting too close for comfort and the TAL was more like the same situation you would get from TUTH. Totally caught me off guard… ---
**Author:** ![Angeheim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/848f3c/32.png) [@Angeheim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Angeheim)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 9:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/found-a-base-mix-i-personally-enjoy-p75-p83-tac-would-like-some-ideas/64816/9 "2015-08-19T21:39:14Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > I would prefer it if you carried it in a seperate atomiser and layered it rearby the pero points - that way you greatly reduce the risk of damage from any cologne components and you don’t have its unknown volume messing-up your mix proportions. I know you want to minimise bottles but is two too much? Two atomizers is easily manageable. It’s just that I feel like any more is cumbersome _for a pocket_ in terms of discretion; it’s entirely possible if I stash them in a bigger bag with a discreet zipper pocket (backpack, messenger bag, etc.), though this doesn’t work for all types of occasions, obviously. But back to the original point: Supposing I could only carry 2 bottles, which mones would you say are key? > [@mrseeker](#): > > I don’t say TAC is a relaxant. I would rather describe it as “attractant”, since my girlfriend tends to hug me every time I was wearing TAC. I tried a TAC-TAL combo on a saleswoman and it got her fired up on all engines, getting too close for comfort and the TAL was more like the same situation you would get from TUTH. Totally caught me off guard… Hm. Haven’t read up on TAL yet, but TAC’s attractant properties is quite welcome for my intentions for the mix. (Self-effects on me have been rather consistently relaxing though, hence my impression.) You know what? I think I’ll try TAC by itself next time I’m in a pub. ---
**Author:** ![mrseeker](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mrseeker/32/5177_2.png) [@mrseeker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mrseeker)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 11:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/found-a-base-mix-i-personally-enjoy-p75-p83-tac-would-like-some-ideas/64816/10 "2015-08-20T11:50:25Z")
I would describe TAL as one of the ingredients of TUTH or the female version of A314. It gives them a more “bitchy” mood. My mixture was a 10/10mcg mix (10mcg TAC + 10mcg TAL) and the saleswoman just got into my private space with such a dominant vibe that I later thought “what just happened?”. Still want to try it out with my girlfriend, hopefully that will get her fired up a bit. From the female users on the forums I learned that TAC gives them more like a kitten-like behavior. Less bitchy, more cuddly and loving. Could be that the TAC is an ingredient in [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/), although I am not sure about it. ---
**Author:** ![Angeheim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/848f3c/32.png) [@Angeheim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Angeheim)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 4:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/found-a-base-mix-i-personally-enjoy-p75-p83-tac-would-like-some-ideas/64816/11 "2015-08-20T16:10:44Z")
Strange. If TAC “tones them down” and TAL “riles them up”, wouldn’t that mean they cancel each other out in theory? ---
**Author:** ![mrseeker](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mrseeker/32/5177_2.png) [@mrseeker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mrseeker)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 5:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/found-a-base-mix-i-personally-enjoy-p75-p83-tac-would-like-some-ideas/64816/12 "2015-08-20T17:24:05Z")
> [@Angeheim](#): > > Strange. If TAC “tones them down” and TAL “riles them up”, wouldn’t that mean they cancel each other out in theory? No, thats the wrong assumption actually. TAC makes them touchy and cuddly (like a cat), and TAL makes them wild (like a tiger). Combine them, and you get someone who cannot take their hands off you (at least thats the theory) 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Angeheim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/848f3c/32.png) [@Angeheim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Angeheim)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 6:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/found-a-base-mix-i-personally-enjoy-p75-p83-tac-would-like-some-ideas/64816/13 "2015-08-20T18:22:54Z")
Ah~ I get it now. Thanks.