# Four weeks of IO, IH, IS and IG at 17 with no results: advice for school settings **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 18, 2012, 9:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/four-weeks-of-io-ih-is-and-ig-at-17-with-no-results-advice-for-school-settings/54259 "2012-01-18T21:37:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 17
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2012, 2:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/four-weeks-of-io-ih-is-and-ig-at-17-with-no-results-advice-for-school-settings/54259/17 "2012-01-22T14:49:25Z")
> [@nigahiga](#): > > I do not doubt the fact that pheromones work. It seems legitimate, scientifically backed up, and most people seem to know about it in the real world. However, I’d like to learn up on body language and what mix is good for me. I’ve been searching for hits so long that I do not know what I am searching for anymore, and to top it off, I’m all out of money and mones. Just what are hits exactly? I’ve read up on the stickies and Steve’s forum and everything involving hits, yet I still don’t quite understand them… First lets deal the the money and mones or lack of it. Try to earn some points in the intro section. First three responders with a warn friendly helpful personalized response earn points towards products. In the mean time take a look at these links. Not sure if you read them already guys tend to not pay attention as much to the womens section. > [@How do I know if I am getting hits !!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-know-if-i-am-getting-hits/14192): > > Its a question we all ask at some point… The very first thing to do when you begin to think about purchasing pheromones is to start observing people before you use them. Ask yourself what are peoples normal general reaction to you and others around you. Are they open and friendly ? Are they intimidated ? Do they acknowledge your presence ? Do strangers generally talk to you ? Are people in a great mood when hanging around you ? Do people treat you with respect ? Are guy/girls open to you… > [@What pheromones can and can't do: realistic expectations for newcomers](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-pheromones-can-do-and-what-they-cant-updated/9558): > > A lot of people come in to the forum and read all the wonderful stories about peoples experiences with [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/). New people end up trying them out with high expectations and usually as they get to know the product those expectations are met to some extent and sometimes not because there expectations were to high But I think its best for people to have a realistic view on what exactly they can and can not do. I get a lot of PM’s from people asking me why "they couldn’t get there cheati… If you already have that’s great. Now start brushing up on basic body language. Here is a good basic source to start with [Using Body Language](http://changingminds.org/techniques/body/body_language.htm) There are plenty of books on the subject as well. I think youtube has some videos as well you can watch. For your mones since your just starting out and fairly young go with the basics. Ammo, IG, IO Ishine and IH. Before you jump into putatives and test mixes you need to get results with these. People tend to think you just spray on some mones and waa laa the world changes. Nope it doesn’t work that way. Pheromones are a tool we use in conjunction with our other skills and tools to communicate and influence those around us. They evoke many different emotions and those emotions dictate how we react to those around us. While arousal and sexual attraction are basically an emotion there are many other emotions that can help lead up to those and basically fuel those feelings. Comfort, trust , connection, warmth, happiness etc etc… All these feelings people get vibrating from you help steer… how others feel about you and respond to you. I know many people come in looking for products that evoke a sexual response and dont really care if they make someone feel comfortable, happy warm or whatever. They just want people feel aroused and find them attractive and irresistible. For girls/women, who are basically emotion driven, how you make us feel emotionally is what makes you irresistible and sexually attractive. Those little feelings of comfort, connection, warmth and happiness are what drive us to arousal. For men its different, its more of a visual instinctual thing. This is not to say men do not feel emotion or respond to it, its just not there first instinctual response. **This leads me to hits.** Hits are basically a change in a persons natural behavior. Hits are not always sexual in nature. Men tend to look for the sexual cues and miss the important ones. Now I know you read lots of reports on some amazing instant hits that are sexual in nature so thats what your expecting and looking for. These is a lot we don’t report that go’s on during and before those hits though. Its harder to pick up on those subtle cues and takes some practice. I know a lot of people say well _if I have to help it along with my own behavior and effort then mones dont work_. Remember mones are a tool. A hammer cant build a house by itself unless you help it along a bit. Give it direction and purpose. It still works though. So the problem is your looking for one thing and while your busy concentrating on that your not seeing the small subtle cues and working with those to lead you to your ultimate goal. I have used mones for almost as long as you been around. God I feel old now. 😛 Of course they were not as good as the ones we have now back then so it was even harder to understand them. Here are some examples of everyday hits. My old boss (he retired last year) He is a prick normally to everyone. He has no social skills. However when I wear Ishine around him his mood changes. He calms down and is not as uptight. He gravitates towards me more. He talks to me normally instead of snapping and being moody. He enters my “space” more. He makes eye contact which is usual for him. I make him (or the Ishine makes him) feel warm comfortable and unafraid to interact with me. He doesn’t hit on me or anything but I could evoke that response in him with my behavior and body language if I wanted. I can use those emotions to evoke a desired response. I don’t of course but I could and it doesn’t matter what I look like or how popular I am. In the morning I stop at a deli/gas station before work. Its uneventful usually, I just run in grab what I need and gas up. Most days the guy behind the counter is polite and normal. However I noticed when I wear IS/A (which I still have in abundance in its original formula) he pays more attention to me. His eyes follow me around the store. He go’s out of his way to help me. He gives me free stuff. He smiles more, interacts more, he tends to position himself in front of me, invade my space more, he doesn’t hit on me directly simply because I don’t give him the opening or cues to do so but I could make him hit on me if I adapt my behavior to his. See now if I didn’t notice those subtle little clues and just waited till they hit directly I would be waiting all day. Those clues tend to not mean anything to people and take some practice to learn to read. So don’t look for hits. Look for behavior changes. This can be harder with those strangers. With that you tend to notice a overall increase in willingness to interact in some way. Like strangers gravitating towards you more and talking about stupid shit like weather, the news or something that’s going on in your immediate environment. This is just them trying to find a opening to interact with you. They don’t really give a shit about what they are talking about. We talk about the “oh shit” moment. This is when it sort of comes together. That moment when you see exactly what the mones are doing. Its hard to explain that moment but if you dont give up on mones and pay attention more and work with them it comes for most people. Suddenly they just get it and it gets a whole lot easier. > [@](#): > > I’m asian, 17 years old in high school. Does race have something to do with this? I’ve found that there are almost no asians on this forum whatsoever. Do pheros not link with people of asian heritage or something? Now your Asian and 17. What kind of girls are you targeting though ? Asian girls, all girls, older girls, the same aged girls ?? What works for one guy wont work for you depending on your goal. Asian girls who are brought up in a predominantly Asian cultures tend to not like the heavy masculine mones. They are to forward. If they are removed more from there culture and dont spend a lot of time growing up around other Male Asian role models they are more open to the heavy masculine signals. The socials tend to work on just about any culture while the heavy masculine and sexual mixes that have more identifying mones in them can be race specific in some ways. For instance African American males tend to have slightly higher testosterone levels and AF females tend to respond well to things like anone and other aggressive mones. Latin men also have higher levels and the same holds true for Latin women’s preferences. Asian men have slightly lower levels of the aggressive masculine mones. Asian women tend to gravitate towards the socials and arone which is masculine but less aggressive. There are other factors however that come into play so while race plays a small part its just that…a small part. Depending on a Asian mans upbringing, diet, body type etc etc they could produce a higher then usual level of aggressive mones. Its not a exact science and it takes a lot of understanding of people and studying mones to really get a feel for the perfect mix for someone. So in short LOL ( I am never short) Yes mones work for Asians. > [@](#): > > Now, the only solution I can think of right now is to either give up on [mones](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/) or purchase the 2x or 4x strength versions of the socials. What do you think I oughta do? It’s too early for me to try out [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) from what I’ve heard; and girls in highschool aren’t yet attracted to -none based products? Should I buy more powerful socials or just give up? What we call socials are really just mood mones and they are much harder to over do then the identifiers because socials have a positive effect. If you get 2X it should be fine with those. Mood mones, social mones whatever you want to call them speak more about your general feelings and demeanor. How you feel and come across to others. Warm friendly open trustful etc etc… Indentifing mones tend to speak about you. Who you are, Male, fertile aggressive, submissive, alpha, beta etc etc… ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/c/c1ddd03e4d6cfe8679a676b6bcf480a1b0a5e604.gif) See these circles, Well lets say the left side (A) is social mones and the right side (B) is the identifying more aggressive mones. Your shooting for the dark red zone. If you use to much of the B mones it overlaps to much of the A mones and you can come across as pushy aggressive intimidating. If you use to much socials A will over lap B and you end up in the friends box. Now if those circles up there represent each of our natural signatures. One side may already overlap the other to much. What you have to figure out is what mones will work **with you** to create that perfect red zone for you. I wish I could tell you its the same for everyone but we are not all the same. We can tell you which mones are likely to put you in that zone from the information you provide about you and your targets but only you can hone it to create that perfect zone that is uniquely you and it takes practice and a little work. Whether your willing to put in that effort is up to you but I wouldn’t give up just yet. Tisha --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/four-weeks-of-io-ih-is-and-ig-at-17-with-no-results-advice-for-school-settings/54259)._