# Free pivot (female wingman): LA Area **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 3, 2006, 10:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/free-pivot-female-wingman-la-area/837 "2006-11-03T22:15:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![truthpowertruth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3da27b/32.png) [@truthpowertruth](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/truthpowertruth)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 7:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/free-pivot-female-wingman-la-area/837/22 "2006-11-22T19:57:28Z")
What does Neil think about pheromones like the ones sold on this site? ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 10:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/free-pivot-female-wingman-la-area/837/23 "2006-11-22T22:33:01Z")
> [@truthpowertruth](#): > > What does Neil think about pheromones like the ones sold on this site? I don’t believe he has expressed an opinion publicly (and I didn’t ask). Mystery was a skeptic as of a few years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2006, 7:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/free-pivot-female-wingman-la-area/837/24 "2006-11-23T07:30:34Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > I wouldn’t particularly recommend this unless you live outside the United States. There are some unresolved regulatory issues. > > It is a very different vibe from none though. Possibly closer to the effects of testosterone used as a 'pheromone as described by surfs\_up on the Love Scent board. It does grab attention and create interest but in a more low-key way than 'none. No outright aggression and much less scariness. There is other stuff going on that I haven’t yet been able to pin down. I would be interested in this one too. It is interesting that there are all these molecules that work on the skin as pheromones out there that can give one a ‘masculine’ vibe but either they are very hard to obtain because of legality issues (Androstenedione, Testosterone) or noone has bothered to properly test them out (AndrostAnone, P80, P76, and whatever more there is in the putative series at Androtics). One or more of them might turn out to provide the benefits of AndrostEnone (and indeed provide even more benefits) without the negatives. That’s why we should be experimenting more with new compounds and less with the same highly flawed stuff. Visionary ---
**Author:** ![Mak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@Mak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mak)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2006, 9:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/free-pivot-female-wingman-la-area/837/25 "2006-11-23T09:35:21Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > Girls wanted to marinate you and eat you for dinner ? Perfect .. Lucky you ! Anyway.. from wearing it once or twice reactions were, let me try to describe … silent intense awareness of some women to my presence. It is not the Androstenone, Teste or similar reaction. There is no ‘sharp edge’ of aggression or intensity. I should give it some more air time and explore those reactions. If anyone used it, observations are welcome. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2006, 10:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/free-pivot-female-wingman-la-area/837/26 "2006-11-23T10:33:12Z")
> [@Mak](#): > > Perfect .. Lucky you ! Oh - that was a question (referring to the raw piece of meat above your head). > [@](#): > > Anyway.. from wearing it once or twice reactions were, let me try to describe … silent intense awareness of some women to my presence. > > It is not the Androstenone, Teste or similar reaction. There is no ‘sharp edge’ of aggression or intensity. Yes, agree. Did you get the chance to engage them and see how they reacted in conversation? ---
**Author:** ![Mak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@Mak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mak)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2006, 11:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/free-pivot-female-wingman-la-area/837/27 "2006-11-23T11:17:47Z")
Yes, a prticular woman remained in that state, which looked weired .. no edge, but not relaxing either as conversation progressed. Copying my facial expressions back is what made me notice it first. That was only for minutes, and I think that reaction, given more time, can prove positive. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2006, 5:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/free-pivot-female-wingman-la-area/837/28 "2006-11-24T05:14:26Z")
> [@Mak](#): > > Yes, a prticular woman remained in that state, which looked weired .. no edge, but not relaxing either as conversation progressed. > > Copying my facial expressions back is what made me notice it first. > > That was only for minutes, and I think that reaction, given more time, can prove positive. Mak, are you talking about Androstadienone (otherwise known as A-1, the primary [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) on which IFM/m is based on) or are you talking about Androstenedione, the one I mentioned in my PM to you a month or so back, which is something else entirely? Visionary ---
**Author:** ![Mak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@Mak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mak)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2006, 5:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/free-pivot-female-wingman-la-area/837/29 "2006-11-24T05:28:10Z")
Visionary, Androstenedione. I believe it is now FDA ingestion-prohibited substance in professional sports, but still allowed as topical application. I managed a small amount to test, if I am interested enough, may order a bottle later. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2006, 5:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/free-pivot-female-wingman-la-area/837/30 "2006-11-24T05:35:00Z")
> [@Mak](#): > > Visionary, Androstenedione. > > I believe it is now FDA ingestion-prohibited substance in professional sports, but still allowed as topical application. I managed a small amount to test, if I am interested enough, may order a bottle later. Oh ok excellent! Tell me have you tried using Testosterone as a pheromone and if so how did it compare to Androstenone? Visionary ---
**Author:** ![Mak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@Mak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mak)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2006, 5:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/free-pivot-female-wingman-la-area/837/31 "2006-11-24T05:55:59Z")
I did that years ago. I went to the butcher shop, got that fresh piece of meat, and I … Never mind. Actually I do not recall what product it was, it was not phero’s, but Teste skin application. Was too elaborate, inconsistant, and overall an experiment phase not worth it really. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2006, 6:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/free-pivot-female-wingman-la-area/837/32 "2006-11-24T06:23:28Z")
> [@Mak](#): > > I did that years ago. > > I went to the butcher shop, got that fresh piece of meat, and I … Never mind. > > Actually I do not recall what product it was, it was not phero’s, but Teste skin application. Was too elaborate, inconsistant, and overall an experiment phase not worth it really. Haha sounds like that was very ‘raw’ experimenting. I have it on good authority that actual Testosterone works well as a masculine pheromone when worn on skin. Please keep us updated as to how the Androstenedione goes for you. Visionary ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2006, 7:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/free-pivot-female-wingman-la-area/837/33 "2006-11-24T07:09:22Z")
Hey Mak and PheroQuirk, just out of curiosity (and because my mind is filthy 🙂 ), do you get some kind of arousal reaction when wearing -Nedione. Like do you yourselves feel sexually aroused like you might feel when wearing -None. If not then how do you yourselves feel when wearing it? Thanks Visionary ---
**Author:** ![Mak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@Mak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mak)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2006, 7:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/free-pivot-female-wingman-la-area/837/34 "2006-11-24T07:11:55Z")
No, none. And no intensity/aggression (hit) when I first used it, like I got with all straight Anone products. EDIT: Also, no smell, unlike anone whiffs of dust and/or sweat. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2006, 3:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/free-pivot-female-wingman-la-area/837/35 "2006-12-02T15:11:57Z")
> [@](#): > > Quote: > Originally Posted by **truthpowertruth** [view post](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/free-pivot-female-wingman-la-area/837/22) > _What does Neil think about pheromones like the ones sold on this site?_ > > I don’t believe he has expressed an opinion publicly (and I didn’t ask). Mystery was a skeptic as of a few years ago. He does mention that ‘commonalities’ that you have with a woman lead to the release of pheromones (thats kind of part of his patter) but doesn’t offer a reference for that. Still there must be something to it - you have to think mones play a part in the experience you have at college of staying up all night bonding and talking to someone when in the early stages of getting to know a girl. ---
**Author:** ![tho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@tho](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tho)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2007, 10:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/free-pivot-female-wingman-la-area/837/36 "2007-02-04T22:07:56Z")
WOW! Jasmin is HOT(see picture on page 1) AND SMART! ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2007, 12:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/free-pivot-female-wingman-la-area/837/37 "2007-02-05T00:38:29Z")
> [@thomaslavoie](#): > > WOW! Jasmin is HOT(see picture on page 1) AND SMART! And it’s taken you _how long_ to figure this out…??? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![HotMama](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hotmama/32/1786_2.png) [@HotMama](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HotMama)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2007, 1:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/free-pivot-female-wingman-la-area/837/38 "2007-02-05T01:59:42Z")
> [@ilsa](#): > > Oh that sounds like a great idea. You know, wouldn’t it be fun if all of us Phero-chicks could get together? That would be a blast. HOW ABOUT A PHERO’ conference! I can just see it: Vegas, baby, vegas!! Guest speakers on pheromones, nutrition and The Game!! What happens in vegas, stays, well, you know where..😃😃😃 HM ---
**Author:** ![AKmedic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/akmedic/32/1487_2.png) [@AKmedic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AKmedic)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2007, 5:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/free-pivot-female-wingman-la-area/837/39 "2007-02-05T05:37:43Z")
> [@HotMama](#): > > HOW ABOUT A PHERO’ conference! I can just see it: Vegas, baby, vegas!! Guest speakers on pheromones, nutrition and The Game!! > > What happens in vegas, stays, well, you know where..😃😃😃 > > HM Oh maaaaannn… Vegas would be _insane_. I’d love it. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/free-pivot-female-wingman-la-area/837.md?page=1)