# Friend zone: how to get out of it, plus confidence for a shorter guy **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 13, 2008, 11:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-how-to-get-out-of-it-plus-confidence-for-a-shorter-guy/9985 "2008-03-13T23:42:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bd6913](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/76d3ee/32.png) [@bd6913](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bd6913)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 11:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-how-to-get-out-of-it-plus-confidence-for-a-shorter-guy/9985/1 "2008-03-13T23:42:17Z")
Hey guys, I always seem to get put into the friend zone, i dunno why. I get along really well with everyone and wouldn’t say that i have any social problems mostly just the dreaded friend zone. Also i’m on the smaller side 5"7 so some extra confidence around the guys wouldn’t be to bad. But mostly just if anyone has any ideas about what might help me get out of the friend zone. ---
**Author:** ![bond007](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bond007/32/1076_2.png) [@bond007](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bond007)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2008, 1:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-how-to-get-out-of-it-plus-confidence-for-a-shorter-guy/9985/2 "2008-03-14T01:17:34Z")
well i have to say u really have the forum covered 🙂🙂 again TUTH will most defiantly get u out of the “Friend Zone” ammo would work to but TUTH is the best at that. just at ur age i suggest only using 1 spray to the chest or wrist and spreading it onto the other and onto ur neck. and dont worry height will not affect the mones effect to my knowledge. (again) bond ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2008, 1:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-how-to-get-out-of-it-plus-confidence-for-a-shorter-guy/9985/3 "2008-03-14T01:24:38Z")
Lots of short women. I think the average female height here in the islands is about 5’ to 5’2". I’m only 5’8" and women here always remark how tall I am! Androstenone may help a wee bit but being perceived as a potential lover, foe, or friend is all about your attitude and presentation while near your target. Act like a girlfriend or brother and women will treat you like one. Learn to project the air of a sensuous man without being pervy or needy and women will pay attention. It doesn’t matter if you feel like one as long as you act like one. I found performance classes such as acting workshop, musical theater, dance, etc., extremely helpful in learning to project an image and feeling. Also, the hands-on practice and genuine skills acquired impart real confidence (not a false or fleeting confidence induced by drugs or other chemical helpers). Also I got more lovers outta those classes than a decade worth or singles bars and parties. ---
**Author:** ![Shap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Shap](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Shap)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2008, 7:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-how-to-get-out-of-it-plus-confidence-for-a-shorter-guy/9985/4 "2008-03-14T07:48:15Z")
> [@bd6913](#): > > Hey guys, > I always seem to get put into the friend zone, i dunno why. I get along really well with everyone and wouldn’t say that i have any social problems mostly just the dreaded friend zone. Also i’m on the smaller side 5"7 so some extra confidence around the guys wouldn’t be to bad. But mostly just if anyone has any ideas about what might help me get out of the friend zone. you can be in the friends zone and get out of it later provided you maintain some attraction and _ **mystery** _. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2008, 9:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-how-to-get-out-of-it-plus-confidence-for-a-shorter-guy/9985/5 "2008-03-14T09:42:57Z")
Rule #1. Treat every woman like she can’t have you, but you’ll put up with her vain attempts anyhow. Rule #2. See #1. ---
**Author:** ![malleus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/malleus/32/1722_2.png) [@malleus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/malleus)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2008, 9:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-how-to-get-out-of-it-plus-confidence-for-a-shorter-guy/9985/6 "2008-03-14T09:56:37Z")
I agree that androstenone is the [pheromone](https://a314.com/) to help you. My problem is getting into the friend zone… to increase exposure to other girls. I produce too much androstenone and never seem to end up as a friend unless I’ve already had a romantic encounter with the girl first. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2008, 6:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-how-to-get-out-of-it-plus-confidence-for-a-shorter-guy/9985/7 "2008-03-14T18:18:23Z")
Malleus: There’s any easy way to get into the friend zone. Just treat _her_ that way. When you guys are gonna meet up to hang out, tell her to bring her friends. That way you get increased exposure to other girls. I guess, get close but not too close. ---
**Author:** ![Shap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Shap](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Shap)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2008, 4:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-how-to-get-out-of-it-plus-confidence-for-a-shorter-guy/9985/8 "2008-03-15T04:20:33Z")
> [@MadisonTate](#): > > Rule #1. Treat every woman like she can’t have you, but you’ll put up with her vain attempts anyhow. > Rule #2. See #1. only the high energy extroverted ladies ---
**Author:** ![northwestmichael](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/northwestmichael/32/169_2.png) [@northwestmichael](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/northwestmichael)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2008, 4:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-how-to-get-out-of-it-plus-confidence-for-a-shorter-guy/9985/9 "2008-03-15T04:32:48Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > I got more lovers outta those classes than a decade worth or singles bars and parties. ] OOh yeah.. Acting classes are uh… great… ---
**Author:** ![Godhand](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/godhand/32/2378_2.png) [@Godhand](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Godhand)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2008, 7:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-how-to-get-out-of-it-plus-confidence-for-a-shorter-guy/9985/10 "2008-03-15T07:14:39Z")
> [@bd6913](#): > > Hey guys, > I always seem to get put into the friend zone, i dunno why. I get along really well with everyone and wouldn’t say that i have any social problems mostly just the dreaded friend zone. Also i’m on the smaller side 5"7 so some extra confidence around the guys wouldn’t be to bad. But mostly just if anyone has any ideas about what might help me get out of the friend zone. Build attraction before you start building comfort or trust. Skipping that step results in the friend zone. Granted, a sexually charged pheromone mix can occasionally tow you out of the friend zone, but a microgram of prevention is worth 1500 micrograms of pure cure. Remember the cardinal rule: The [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) don’t make the player. The player uses sound game and the pheromones simply assist solid game. With that warning aside, try Ammunition. Its simple to use and gets good, consistent results. Good hunting… ---
**Author:** ![raceryan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/raceryan/32/1740_2.png) [@raceryan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/raceryan)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2008, 5:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-how-to-get-out-of-it-plus-confidence-for-a-shorter-guy/9985/11 "2008-03-15T17:42:10Z")
Women know in the first 5 seconds if they want to have sex with you. And within the first minute they will know if they want to have a relationship w/ you. So you have to know what to say and how to ask and what to look like for the first impression… Just read some Double Your Dating and other information… try your best and tell us any results… ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2008, 1:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-how-to-get-out-of-it-plus-confidence-for-a-shorter-guy/9985/12 "2008-03-16T01:03:54Z")
[Approach Anxiety » Blog Archive » Bad Boy With A Heart - Interview with Cory Skyy](http://approachanxiety.com/?p=137) cory skyy posture +body language, voice, vibe… ---
**Author:** ![Greenfreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/35a633/32.png) [@Greenfreak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Greenfreak)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2008, 3:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-how-to-get-out-of-it-plus-confidence-for-a-shorter-guy/9985/13 "2008-03-16T03:56:06Z")
> [@bd6913](#): > > Hey guys, > I always seem to get put into the friend zone, i dunno why. I get along really well with everyone First off, one thing that always put you in the friend zone is NOT complimenting the girl in a sexual way. And you do NOT need to be a pig about it either, just tell her she look sexy, and NOT nice/good/whatever… There is some truth to the saying that “nice guys never gets to kiss a girl” or something similar… If you do not exhibit a sexual interest, you will be put in the friend zone. Pheromones help, but if your actions fail to confirm them, you will never get any results from using them. ---
**Author:** ![Greenfreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/35a633/32.png) [@Greenfreak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Greenfreak)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2008, 5:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-how-to-get-out-of-it-plus-confidence-for-a-shorter-guy/9985/14 "2008-03-16T05:16:01Z")
To elaborate on the previous post… One reason my gf and I still are going very strong in the bedroom area is that we both still consider, as well as show, eachother that we are sexually attracted to eachother… I regularly blatanly oogle my GF in the shower… Tell her she looks hot as hell and she do likewise… Imagine the scene out of that bond movie where the girl asks bond for a towel and he hands her a minimal one, at the same time admiring her curves… Love eachother, be honest, and TELL your partner you love her/him… Aswell as (in a semi-respectful way) treat him/her as a sexobject! It can be done without being a pig… (and here it would be nice if someone of the opposite sex tells their point of view…) ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2008, 7:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-how-to-get-out-of-it-plus-confidence-for-a-shorter-guy/9985/15 "2008-03-16T07:25:56Z")
> [@](#): > > First off, one thing that always put you in the friend zone is NOT complimenting the girl in a sexual way. And you do NOT need to be a pig about it either, just tell her she look sexy, and NOT nice/good/whatever… > > There is some truth to the saying that “nice guys never gets to kiss a girl” or something similar… > > If you do not exhibit a sexual interest, you will be put in the friend zone. These sorts of things do not require words. In fact, they tend to get in the way. It’s all in how you look at her. If you do it right, you merely have to look into her eyes and she’ll know. If you need to say it, forget about it. It ain’t gonna work. Both of you are too dull… ---
**Author:** ![incubusattacks](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/incubusattacks/32/1259_2.png) [@incubusattacks](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/incubusattacks)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2008, 8:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-how-to-get-out-of-it-plus-confidence-for-a-shorter-guy/9985/16 "2008-03-16T08:38:27Z")
> [@](#): > > These sorts of things do not require words. In fact, they tend to get in the way. It’s all in how you look at her. If you do it right, you merely have to look into her eyes and she’ll know. If you need to say it, forget about it. It ain’t gonna work. Both of you are too dull… Yes i agree. I always do this on instinct. No amount of compliments will ever make you attractive to a girl. ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2008, 12:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-how-to-get-out-of-it-plus-confidence-for-a-shorter-guy/9985/17 "2008-03-16T12:51:13Z")
> [@bd6913](#): > > _ **I always seem to get put into the friend zone, i dunno why. I get along really well with everyone and wouldn’t say that i have any social problems mostly just the dreaded friend zone. Also i’m on the smaller side 5"7 so some extra confidence around the guys wouldn’t be to bad. But mostly just if anyone has any ideas about what might help me get out of the friend zone.** _ Hi bd! 🙂 Don’t let your height stand in your way. There are plenty of hot, confident, sexy short guys. I know 'cause I’ve dated 'em! Height might getcha in the door with some women, but if you don’t got what it takes, nothin’s gonna keep you there. > [@Greenfreak](#): > > _ **If you do not exhibit a sexual interest, you will be put in the friend zone.** _ She’s not freakin’ Kreskin. > [@Greenfreak](#): > > There is some truth to the saying that _ **“nice guys never gets to kiss a girl”** _ or something similar… That’s crap. Nice guys get to kiss plenty of girls…the ones who don’t aren’t…sigh…I could use my six right about now 🙄…using their heads. _Think_ with your _big brain_ and get your act together…literally. > [@MadisonTate](#): > > _ **Rule #1. Treat every woman like she can’t have you, but you’ll put up with her vain attempts anyhow.** _ > _ **Rule #2. See #1.** _ That might work for you, my sweet. I’ll stalk you to the ends of the earth…if you just throw me a buscuit once in a whlie. 😉 Anybody else? …kicked to the curb. Outta here. The unrequited thing?..bullsh\*t. I adore only those who adore me back. Just a basic rule _I_ have. > [@Greenfreak](#): > > _ **One reason my gf and I still are going very strong in the bedroom area is that we both still consider, as well as show, each other that we are sexually attracted to eachother…** _ > _ **Love each other, be honest, and TELL your partner you love her/him…** _ _ **treat him/her as a sexobject!** _ _**(and here it would be nice if someone of the opposite sex tells their point of view…)**_ Ok Greenfreak here it is…you hit the nail on the..ah.. head. When my husband tells me I’m sexy and dreamy, I love hearing it. It makes me confident about myself and my sexuality and confident/free about expressing it _towards him_. Boosting each others self esteem and making each other feel desirable bodes well in any relationship worth maintaining…not just sexual ones. > [@Gegogi](#): > > _**I found performance classes such as acting workshop, musical theater, dance, etc., extremely helpful in learning to project an image and feeling. Also, the hands-on practice and genuine skills acquired impart real confidence (not a false or fleeting confidence induced by drugs or other chemical helpers). Also I got more lovers outta those classes than a decade worth or singles bars and parties**_. G’s right. Highly under rated and often dismissed by those who are clueless. These classes contain a plethora of opportunities for meeting the opposite sex who _already_ have something in common with you. It might just help you get “outta your shell” like some other smart, sexy, savvy guys on this forum! It’s alot easier to ‘break the ice’ with someone in that circumstance, than say…in a bar. Actors and musicians 😉 are hot…maybe a little crazy, but freakin’ hot! A pianist I dated comes to mind…sigh…he knew how to tickle more than the ivories… I met a lotta guys in bars…including my husband. 😮 😉 But then, again, I know how to stack, deal _and play_…and I wasn’t interested in guys who couldn’t ante up… …still not. > [@Gegogi](#): > > _ **These sorts of things do not require words. In fact, they tend to get in the way. It’s all in how you look at her. If you do it right, you merely have to look into her eyes and she’ll know. If you need to say it, forget about it. It ain’t gonna work.** _ Both of you are too dull… I can tell in _less than five seconds_ if I’m interested in a man sexually. If he looks at me ‘the right way’ and I return that look, signaling my interest, he’d better pick up quickly…or the guy standing right behind him who knows how/when to make his move is gonna play the winning hand. Bye- bye girlyQ. If you don’t got game you gotta get it…_if_ you wanna get the girl. That means taking the steps so you can learn to meet those requirements, i.e. finding what your lacking and filling the void…_if you want to be successful._ > [@Godhand](#): > > _ **Build attraction before you start building comfort or trust.** _ Skipping that step results in the friend zone. This can actually work. Despite advice I’ve given to the contrary. Trick is knowing when to apply _this particular game_. Our man, GH, is a master at it. But even he’ll tell you, if you ain’t born with it… and few are…it takes practice. > [@Greenfreak](#): > > _ **Pheromones help, but if your actions fail to confirm them, you will never get any results from using them.** _ If you can’t confirm your actions…you don’t got game. > [@Godhand](#): > > _ **Granted, a sexually charged pheromone mix can occasionally tow you out of the friend zone, but a microgram of prevention is worth 1500 micrograms of pure cure.** _ _ **Remember the cardinal rule: The pheromones don’t make the player. The player uses sound game and the pheromones simply assist solid game.** _ **With that warning aside, try Ammunition. Its simple to use and gets good, consistent results.** … Well said, GH, well said. 😉 Take the advice of the guys on this forum…the ones who’ve been around the block once or twice 😉 …_these boys have game_. Trust me. Bella ---
**Author:** ![bd6913](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/76d3ee/32.png) [@bd6913](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bd6913)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2008, 10:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-how-to-get-out-of-it-plus-confidence-for-a-shorter-guy/9985/18 "2008-03-17T22:54:21Z")
Thanks, allot for all the advice i think i’ll probably go with ammunition and turn up the heat, as well as some of your ideas about confidence. I think godhands probably right about preventing yourself from falling into the friend zone.