# Friend Zone - Permanent or Temporary? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 12, 2011, 5:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-permanent-or-temporary/50712 "2011-06-12T05:39:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![fishdude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/4bbf92/32.png) [@fishdude](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/fishdude)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 5:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-permanent-or-temporary/50712/21 "2011-06-13T17:24:23Z")
I now know what the FZ is like from a male perspective. A gal I used to work with, I became friends with. Now she works elsewhere but still see each other regularily. When I worked with her she was married and I never became attracted to her. Now she is single and is really hot for me. All her friends tell me she’s hot for me. We all know how a woman cannot avoid a challenge so as a result of my disinterest, she’s even more hot and bothered. She is beautiful, sexy, intelligent professional woman, yet I just can’t bring myself to go there. She’s like my sister to me. ---
**Author:** ![gtw1983](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@gtw1983](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gtw1983)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 5:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-permanent-or-temporary/50712/22 "2011-06-13T17:44:45Z")
They say one way to possibly get out of the Friend Zone is to cut communication with them for a period of time.Therby they no longer have that ‘good buddy of the opposite sex’ AKA ‘Emotional Tampon’ there to help them feel better. In some cases if you go a few months or so with little communication it might possibly make them miss you and sort of reboot your relationship in a way.I guess the entire Gist of the theory is to not always be available for her.Have a life of your own,and don’t let it revolve around her/him. Don’t forget people are far more likely to start wanting something they don’t have.If you’re there for them night and day whats the challenge in it for them? ---
**Author:** ![fishdude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/4bbf92/32.png) [@fishdude](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/fishdude)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 6:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-permanent-or-temporary/50712/23 "2011-06-13T18:45:30Z")
Plant some seeds of sexual inuendo and then give them time to sprout and grow. Put your thumb in your pocket and take a few taps with your index towards your crotch. She’ll dwell on that for days and when she thinks of you that’s what she’ll remember.Tell her about a movie that you saw, was full of ups and downs, sometimes slow and sometimes fast but a very explosive and satisfying finish. ---
**Author:** ![XPX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a587f6/32.png) [@XPX](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/XPX)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 9:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-permanent-or-temporary/50712/24 "2011-06-13T21:21:19Z")
to be in the friendzone is nothing bad! It’s really a good thing! She likes you in all ways but without the sexual component! Well let me say you something which some girls may not like here, but in this way you can “park” some potential girlfriends! Because you always stay in contact! And just think about how often two normal friends become a pair! But the only way to come out of this zone is just to grow you balls and escalate ;-); just in the normal way you do it with every girl! ---
**Author:** ![stiggy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@stiggy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stiggy)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 11:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-permanent-or-temporary/50712/25 "2011-06-13T23:18:09Z")
my advice to you is and it will be hard to do … be nice but dont feed her attention. she will keep you in the friend zone because YOUR ALWAYS there. dont be there for her all the time when she needs you, your busy. dont return her calls right away or text. and rule one for texting 1 for 1 text. dont over text her. just treat her like she really doesnt matter that much to you , you like to be around her but you can do with out her. even if your not busy , tell her you are. women want what they cant have… and SHE HAS YOU. they want a guy who is exciting. and if your always busy it shows social status and excitement. and when you are around her just treat her like one of the lesser guys in your group. she is there but act like if she wasnt there it would be no big deal. but make sure to be nice about it and not a complete tool. ---
**Author:** ![ScienceStudent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/839c29/32.png) [@ScienceStudent](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ScienceStudent)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 11:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-permanent-or-temporary/50712/26 "2011-06-13T23:29:31Z")
> [@stiggy](#): > > …your busy. dont return her calls right away or text. and rule one for texting 1 for 1 text. dont over text her. just treat her like she really doesnt matter that much to you , you like to be around her but you can do with out her. even if your not busy , tell her you are. women want what they cant have… and SHE HAS YOU. they want a guy who is exciting. and if your always busy it shows social status and excitement. and when you are around her just treat her like one of the lesser guys in your group. she is there but act like if she wasnt there it would be no big deal. but make sure to be nice about it and not a complete tool. Don’t lie. _Be_ busy–even if it’s just household chores, errands, workouts, these are still things you need to do. Or turn off your phone. Women want a guy who can initiate social activities when they are in a relationship, not so much “what can’t be had.” That way there’s no coercing to “go out,” “join this group/activity,” etc. _Don’t_ treat her like “she doesn’t really matter” or she might believe it and date someone else. Be yourself, just be a better self. Don’t follow a “rule” like “always wait an hour before returning a call/text,” but if you’re washing dishes or driving, wait until you’re done; wait until you have time to properly engage in conversation (this is showing respect, not playing a game). Sometimes this may be minutes, sometimes hours. And learn your homophones. ---
**Author:** ![Astrea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrea/32/1928_2.png) [@Astrea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrea)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 6:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-permanent-or-temporary/50712/27 "2011-06-14T06:18:14Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > **Another thing that will put somebody in the friend zone?, the woman already having a boyfriend.** > > Now Tisha is right, you dating her sister, half sister, cousin, close friend…whatever, can put you in not only the friend zone but the off limits zone. **If it was a short period a long time ago and never became too serious, that’s workable.** > > Now **you ARE thinking along the right lines by considering her actions instead of her words. Yes she says her boyfriend is a jerk, and most guys normally take that as meaning they should be ridiculously super nice to show her how much better an alternative he’d be over the boyfriend. When the fact is that when a woman calls a guy a jerk..but is still with him what she’s actually saying is “it’s so infuriating that he knows how to push my buttons and I wish I could control myself around him but I just can’t help it.”** > > So, **how do you attract this woman…be attractive…same advice I give** almost every guy that’s asked a similar question here. > > 1.) Like Tisha said (she’s smart as hell ain’t she?), you gotta call her out on it when she vents to you about the BF. This is emotional tampon behavior and it’s counter productive. > Look at it like this, if she’s complaining about him when she’s with you, then even though she’s with you, she’s thinking about him…and, **while she’s with you, she’s in a negative state. THEN after she’s vented and feels better for having got it off her chest she goes back to him minus the anger since YOU gave her a chance to cool off. You’re helping him out at your own expense.** > > **2.) Be busy and unavailable, with no malice or conscious thoughts as such…she is still taking you for granted. You soooo do NOT want her to think of you as the guy she can call last minute on a friday or saturday night and be certain you’re home by the phone. Go out and meet people, especially women, and especially attractive women. You don’t have to sleep with them, but having a busy active social life and her seeing attractive women enjoying your company flips the preselection switch. > \*\* > 3.) But don’t be the chick friend guy. Think of the movie “I Love You Man”. That guy was far from gay, but he may as well have been because he had a knack for having lots of female friends and was a great boyfriend but didn’t have any guy friends really. This really does confuse some (most) women. S**o in working to expand your social circle find some guys you can hang with and occasionally exercise a friendly leadership position \*\*with. Join a Gym, find an amatuer sports team, take a martial art (MMA is ridiculously popular nowadays) etc. If you have certain particular likes you can form a group on [meetup.com](http://meetup.com). You want to be able to become a leader of men in some way. > > Another MAJOR switch is what Vin Dicarlo calls “having a grand vision”. This **could be your lifelong career goal, the great thing you accomplish that you want to be known for, a charity that’s close to home whatever…but have a goal, be excited about it, include her in it. Let her help you with little favors that support your vision. This creates a sense of investment which strengthens attachment.** > > I’ll leave willingness to emote and protector of loved ones alone since I assume you already possess these qualities. > > Now, back to investment…this is something of a date idea that I discovered totally by accident. If you would have asked me 6 months ago if it was a good idea I would have said no, but it turns out that it’s conditional upon the frame…Take her shopping with you for clothes, furniture, colognes etc. > Now as I said if you would have asked me 6 months ago if letting a woman you want, have a say in your wardrobe selection was a good idea I would have said “no, it’s too approval seeking”. > > However, I discovered through personal experience that > A.) women love shopping as an activity/experience even when it’s not for them. > B.) when she’s choosing outfits for you, she’s thinking about you…your looks and personality. > C.) it almost has a Dom/sub dynamic as final approval is up to you, so she spends the day trying to pick something for you that you’ll like…based off what she likes. > D.) it’s multi sensory, visual for clothing, visual+tactile for furniture (does this sofa feel comfortable enough?), and olfactory, if you shop for colognes. This creates a memorable experience. > E.) As I stated earlier, investment plays a big part…the woman I did this with was just a friend. Attractive but not somebody I was interested in and I didn’t expect her to become interested. As it turns out however…by helping me choose some clothes and furniture for my apartment…It seems she started thinking something akin to "I’m doing all of this and some other woman is going to enjoy the results. > > The main key is she can’t think you’re doing it to impress her, but to impress women in general…OTHER women. This hits a jealous nerve like you would not believe. > > **By her picking clothes that would look good on you, she’s thinking about you in a “good looking” way, by helping choose furniture she’s thinking of your place in a way that would feel comfortable and “like home” to her. You’re basically letting her take part in making you into the kind of guy she wants but done from a nonapproval seeking angle…in a way that feels like she’s serving you instead of the reverse and in a way that can make her feel like some other woman will reap the rewards of her work.** > > I was blown away when my female friend told me she was upset that “I’d be fucking some slut from a club on the bed she helped me pick out”. So yeah, depending on how you frame it…shopping can be a HUGE attraction building tactic. **I’ve only got one thing to say: Radman, YOU ARE BRILLIANT.** I wrote some other stuff, but really, it was redundant. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 7:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-permanent-or-temporary/50712/28 "2011-06-14T07:01:00Z")
My vote for TOTW > [@RADMAN513](#): > > Another thing that will put somebody in the friend zone?, the woman already having a boyfriend. > > Now Tisha is right, you dating her sister, half sister, cousin, close friend…whatever, can put you in not only the friend zone but the off limits zone. If it was a short period a long time ago and never became too serious, that’s workable. > > Now you ARE thinking along the right lines by considering her actions instead of her words. Yes she says her boyfriend is a jerk, and most guys normally take that as meaning they should be ridiculously super nice to show her how much better an alternative he’d be over the boyfriend. When the fact is that when a woman calls a guy a jerk..but is still with him what she’s actually saying is “it’s so infuriating that he knows how to push my buttons and I wish I could control myself around him but I just can’t help it.” > > So, how do you attract this woman…be attractive…same advice I give almost every guy that’s asked a similar question here. > > 1.) Like Tisha said (she’s smart as hell ain’t she?), you gotta call her out on it when she vents to you about the BF. This is emotional tampon behavior and it’s counter productive. > Look at it like this, if she’s complaining about him when she’s with you, then even though she’s with you, she’s thinking about him…and, while she’s with you, she’s in a negative state. THEN after she’s vented and feels better for having got it off her chest she goes back to him minus the anger since YOU gave her a chance to cool off. You’re helping him out at your own expense. > > 2.) Be busy and unavailable, with no malice or conscious thoughts as such…she is still taking you for granted. You soooo do NOT want her to think of you as the guy she can call last minute on a friday or saturday night and be certain you’re home by the phone. Go out and meet people, especially women, and especially attractive women. You don’t have to sleep with them, but having a busy active social life and her seeing attractive women enjoying your company flips the preselection switch. > > 3.) But don’t be the chick friend guy. Think of the movie “I Love You Man”. That guy was far from gay, but he may as well have been because he had a knack for having lots of female friends and was a great boyfriend but didn’t have any guy friends really. This really does confuse some (most) women. So in working to expand your social circle find some guys you can hang with and occasionally exercise a friendly leadership position with. Join a Gym, find an amatuer sports team, take a martial art (MMA is ridiculously popular nowadays) etc. If you have certain particular likes you can form a group on [meetup.com](http://meetup.com). You want to be able to become a leader of men in some way. > > Another MAJOR switch is what Vin Dicarlo calls “having a grand vision”. This could be your lifelong career goal, the great thing you accomplish that you want to be known for, a charity that’s close to home whatever…but have a goal, be excited about it, include her in it. Let her help you with little favors that support your vision. This creates a sense of investment which strengthens attachment. > > I’ll leave willingness to emote and protector of loved ones alone since I assume you already possess these qualities. > > Now, back to investment…this is something of a date idea that I discovered totally by accident. If you would have asked me 6 months ago if it was a good idea I would have said no, but it turns out that it’s conditional upon the frame…Take her shopping with you for clothes, furniture, colognes etc. > Now as I said if you would have asked me 6 months ago if letting a woman you want, have a say in your wardrobe selection was a good idea I would have said “no, it’s too approval seeking”. > > However, I discovered through personal experience that > A.) women love shopping as an activity/experience even when it’s not for them. > B.) when she’s choosing outfits for you, she’s thinking about you…your looks and personality. > C.) it almost has a Dom/sub dynamic as final approval is up to you, so she spends the day trying to pick something for you that you’ll like…based off what she likes. > D.) it’s multi sensory, visual for clothing, visual+tactile for furniture (does this sofa feel comfortable enough?), and olfactory, if you shop for colognes. This creates a memorable experience. > E.) As I stated earlier, investment plays a big part…the woman I did this with was just a friend. Attractive but not somebody I was interested in and I didn’t expect her to become interested. As it turns out however…by helping me choose some clothes and furniture for my apartment…It seems she started thinking something akin to "I’m doing all of this and some other woman is going to enjoy the results. > > The main key is she can’t think you’re doing it to impress her, but to impress women in general…OTHER women. This hits a jealous nerve like you would not believe. > > By her picking clothes that would look good on you, she’s thinking about you in a “good looking” way, by helping choose furniture she’s thinking of your place in a way that would feel comfortable and “like home” to her. You’re basically letting her take part in making you into the kind of guy she wants but done from a nonapproval seeking angle…in a way that feels like she’s serving you instead of the reverse and in a way that can make her feel like some other woman will reap the rewards of her work. > > I was blown away when my female friend told me she was upset that “I’d be fucking some slut from a club on the bed she helped me pick out”. So yeah, depending on how you frame it…shopping can be a HUGE attraction building tactic. ---
**Author:** ![ScienceStudent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/839c29/32.png) [@ScienceStudent](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ScienceStudent)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 10:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-permanent-or-temporary/50712/29 "2011-06-15T22:28:16Z")
Also, don’t follow the _exact_ rule of one text per her one text. Sometimes I get messages I just don’t know how to respond to…so I wait and think on it. It’s okay to initiate another conversation from time to time. Maybe keep it between 40-60% your initiation. ---
**Author:** ![Astrea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrea/32/1928_2.png) [@Astrea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrea)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 11:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-permanent-or-temporary/50712/30 "2011-06-15T23:12:21Z")
> [@ScienceStudent](#): > > Also, don’t follow the _exact_ rule of one text per her one text. Sometimes I get messages I just don’t know how to respond to…so I wait and think on it. It’s okay to initiate another conversation from time to time. Maybe keep it between 40-60% your initiation. And DON’T just one word txt! If I get a “Sup?” from a guy I don’t know well, I really can’t think of what you might be interested in hearing; my standard reply is “nomuch”, 🙄. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 11:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-permanent-or-temporary/50712/31 "2011-06-15T23:17:40Z")
> [@Astrea](#): > > And DON’T just one word txt! If I get a “Sup?” from a guy I don’t know well, I really can’t think of what you might be interested in hearing; my standard reply is “nomuch”, 🙄. LOL someone was listening to David DeAngelo when they texted you that. He actually talks about how successful he was with texting just sup, but without the question mark. The whole gist of this text was to convey that he was just saying “hey,” without needing any response from you..therefore not looking needy. Also, he stated that alpha guys tend to greet each other with the “sup?” comment all the time. And strange thing is…they’re not really alpha guys, but almost all guys I test this on, will just say…“sup?” I will go into work, and say…“hey” “How’s it goin?” etc. And always get the “sup?” response, even from a couple of really effeminate guys…LOL. I don’t know what it is, but it seems to be used an awful lot. ---
**Author:** ![ScienceStudent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/839c29/32.png) [@ScienceStudent](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ScienceStudent)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 11:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-permanent-or-temporary/50712/32 "2011-06-15T23:25:52Z")
> [@Astrea](#): > > And DON’T just one word txt! If I get a “Sup?” from a guy I don’t know well, I really can’t think of what you might be interested in hearing; my standard reply is “nomuch”, 🙄. Exactly. The key is _conversation_. Even a “how was your day” is a bit difficult to answer – I have to think “how much does he really want to know” that fits in 160 characters. Usually, I say something like “I got hit in the face with a baseball bat by my friend, but I didn’t lose any teeth!” (True story.) This incites a conversation, AND turns it into a funny/positive/joking thing (my nature–I don’t stress about too much), which everyone likes more than the whiny/negative stuff. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![ScienceStudent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/839c29/32.png) [@ScienceStudent](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ScienceStudent)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 11:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-permanent-or-temporary/50712/33 "2011-06-15T23:30:59Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > LOL someone was listening to David DeAngelo when they texted you that. > He actually talks about how successful he was with texting just sup, but without the question mark. > The whole gist of this text was to convey that he was just saying “hey,” without needing any response from you..therefore not looking needy. > Also, he stated that alpha guys tend to greet each other with the “sup?” comment all the time. And strange thing is…they’re not really alpha guys, but almost all guys I test this on, will just say…“sup?” > I will go into work, and say…“hey” “How’s it goin?” etc. And always get the “sup?” response, even from a couple of really effeminate guys…LOL. > > I don’t know what it is, but it seems to be used an awful lot. (See my remark, above, on how to start an _interesting_ conversation without “looking needy.” 😉 Also, there is a difference between appearing “needy” and acknowledging that humans are social creatures and you appreciate interaction with others. And for the record, “Sup” and all other lazy openings just look douchey. Guys who start with this as a message on my dating site get no reply. (I was getting dozens a day; I have no time to reply to all.) Guys who start with this IRL get minimal reply and NO interest.) ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 12:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-permanent-or-temporary/50712/34 "2011-06-16T00:17:18Z")
haha… u know I should just go on plentyoffish and just hit up like 1000 women with the message “sup?” and see how many respond. ---
**Author:** ![ScienceStudent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/839c29/32.png) [@ScienceStudent](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ScienceStudent)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 12:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-permanent-or-temporary/50712/35 "2011-06-16T00:26:12Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > haha… u know I should just go on plentyoffish and just hit up like 1000 women with the message “sup?” and see how many respond. So you want “needy” gals. 😉 I keep forgetting to profess that I’m not typical. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 12:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-permanent-or-temporary/50712/36 "2011-06-16T00:45:14Z")
> [@ScienceStudent](#): > > So you want “needy” gals. 😉 > I keep forgetting to profess that I’m not typical. 😛 LOL oh I can tell you’re anything but typical. 😉 But then again, I tend to find anything but typical girls. The past 2 semi-serious relationships I’ve been in, they were like the only two girls in Vegas who hated chocolate. Also, very confident and at times aloof. Not needy at all. No, I just figured it’d be an interesting experiment without forking over like [Chemistry.com](http://Chemistry.com) cash. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 2:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-permanent-or-temporary/50712/37 "2011-06-16T02:39:20Z")
Actually opener/convo starter I sometimes use… "You know, I was thinking the earlier today, some people don’t understand the difference between ‘how are you?’ and "how are ya?'. See, and be honest…when you say ‘how are ya?’, you don’t really want to KNOW, you’re just being polite. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, I personally think that politeness is underrated. The problem is that some people just don’t get that and give the appropriate answer of ‘Oh I’m doing fine, and you?’. They wind up going into a detailed diatribe of everything going on in their lives at that particular point. And you can’t really say anything to them because…well technically you asked. Now ‘How are YOU?’ is different. It’s more personal and real. You’re not changing ‘YOU’ to the lazier sounding ‘Ya’. And that indicates a genuine interest. It means 'out of all the people I could be talking to right now…I’m actually curious about how it is to be YOU at this moment. …so…How are you?" Usually gets me a blank stare for a minute before the girls sorta shakes her head like she’s regaining her bearings and then answers. ---
**Author:** ![Astrea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrea/32/1928_2.png) [@Astrea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrea)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 3:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-permanent-or-temporary/50712/38 "2011-06-16T03:03:20Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > LOL someone was listening to David DeAngelo when they texted you that. > He actually talks about how successful he was with texting just sup, but without the question mark. > The whole gist of this text was to convey that he was just saying “hey,” without needing any response from you..therefore not looking needy. > **Also, he stated that alpha guys tend to greet each other with the “sup?” comment all the time. And strange thing is…they’re not really alpha guys,** but almost all guys I test this on, will just say…“sup?” > I will go into work, and say…“hey” “How’s it goin?” etc. And always get the “sup?” response, even from a couple of really effeminate guys…LOL. > > I don’t know what it is, but it seems to be used an awful lot. Then David D’Angelo is being bought by 75% of the guys here in PNW. All I can think is that he’s txting brain dead bimbos with the ‘sup’ b’nez. The alpha guys I know, all do the “hey you, what’s good?”. I happen to like this one. It implies a little affection and the what’s good can always be met with “my snack” which has digressed into a little risque innuendo 😛 which can be fun and has the advantage of seeing how articulate, imaginative and quick a guy can be. With me, BIG POINTS if a guy can start a convo without the obligatory references to the Seattle weather sucking pattern. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Astrea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrea/32/1928_2.png) [@Astrea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrea)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 3:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-permanent-or-temporary/50712/39 "2011-06-16T03:05:28Z")
> [@ScienceStudent](#): > > Exactly. The key is _conversation_. Even a “how was your day” is a bit difficult to answer – I have to think “how much does he really want to know” that fits in 160 characters. Usually, I say something like **“I got hit in the face with a baseball bat by my friend, but I didn’t lose any teeth!” (True story.)** This incites a conversation, AND turns it into a funny/positive/joking thing (my nature–I don’t stress about too much), which everyone likes more than the whiny/negative stuff. 🆒 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮 ---
**Author:** ![Astrea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrea/32/1928_2.png) [@Astrea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrea)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 3:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-permanent-or-temporary/50712/40 "2011-06-16T03:10:40Z")
> [@ScienceStudent](#): > > **I keep forgetting to profess that I’m not typical.** 😛 😃 LMAO. I seriously don’t believe anyone here has made that mistake after reading your intro! (giggling so much I choked on my coffee) [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-permanent-or-temporary/50712.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-permanent-or-temporary/50712.md?page=3)