# Friend Zone - Permanent or Temporary?

**URL:** <https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-permanent-or-temporary/50712>\
**Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\
**Created:** [June 12, 2011, 5:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-permanent-or-temporary/50712 "2011-06-12T05:39:51Z")\
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**Author:** ![Rador](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rador/32/968_2.png) [@Rador](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rador)\
**Post date:** [June 12, 2011, 5:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-permanent-or-temporary/50712/1 "2011-06-12T05:39:51Z")

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Hi guys,

as I mentioned in [my intro thread](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-all/50689): I seem to be able to attract the ladies as friends - they are very talkative and at ease with me - but I can never seem to turn it into something more physical.

There is one lady friend in particular (she’s 10 years older than me) that is very special to me. We are very open and honest with each other and she shares info with me on how much she hates her current boyfriend (Fzone territory, I know). I have very strong feelings for her and would love to be with her both physically and emotionally. Unfortunately, she has placed me in the dreaded friend zone. This is somewhat my own fault, as I had dated her younger sister for a few months several years ago. Her sister was my first girlfriend and I now know that dating her was a big mistake.

I really want to get out of the fricken friend zone with her! My questions to you is as follows:

- Is the friend zone a permanent thing like Hell? Or is just a temporary thing like purgatory?
- Can one get out of the friend zone by using a combination of game, [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/), confidence, etc?
- Has anyone here ever successfully gotten out of the friend zone?
- Is 10 years to much of an age difference?
- Since her current boyfriend is an asshole, should I try something like IJ to get her attention?
- Did I balls things up by dating her younger sister a few years ago?

Any help is greatly appreciated. I would especially like to hear some HONEST input from the females on the boards. Thanks in advance for your help. 🙂

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