# Friend zone: which mix to try from TUTH, Ammo 2012, Wolf, SOE and AV? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 25, 2012, 9:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-which-mix-to-try-from-tuth-ammo-2012-wolf-soe-and-av/57369 "2012-11-25T21:22:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BeerGeek89](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e0b2c6/32.png) [@BeerGeek89](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BeerGeek89)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2012, 9:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-which-mix-to-try-from-tuth-ammo-2012-wolf-soe-and-av/57369/1 "2012-11-25T21:22:41Z")
What would be a good cologne/mix to use to try to get out of the friend zone? If there’s any specifics about the female(s) in question, feel free to ask. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2012, 1:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-which-mix-to-try-from-tuth-ammo-2012-wolf-soe-and-av/57369/2 "2012-11-26T01:11:20Z")
It would help a lot if you posted some detail about her personality and any previous attraction she’s demonstrated - ie what guys has she gone for before. There are some pheros that can help a bit but not one easy choice. However, they also work best with the help of a period of absence and a radical repositioning of your behaviours/attitude towards her. ---
**Author:** ![xplosivv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/f17d59/32.png) [@xplosivv](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xplosivv)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2012, 5:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-which-mix-to-try-from-tuth-ammo-2012-wolf-soe-and-av/57369/3 "2012-11-26T05:40:29Z")
Unless she intially had SOME attraction for you, this is going to be an uphill battle man. But if she DID have attraction for you, but you didn’t make moves on her quickly or ask her out or whatever, you might have a chance. Go flirt with other girls or become completely unavailable for a few weeks and see what happens. Try get other girls in the mean time… what I think might help you is being a little indifferent to her presence. Let her KNOW you can do better than her anyway. When you “reappear” back into her life, don’t say or let her know you thought about her or whatever. Since she doesn’t think you’re a “sexual” kind of person, you might have to spritz a little ammo/tuth along with a few comfort mones. Might also add in a little IG or a314. Do a little testing on yourself and see what makes you feel boss then run some game like shes any other girl. Trust me, its gotta get ugly before it gets better, I’ve been there before. ---
**Author:** ![BeerGeek89](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e0b2c6/32.png) [@BeerGeek89](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BeerGeek89)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2012, 6:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-which-mix-to-try-from-tuth-ammo-2012-wolf-soe-and-av/57369/4 "2012-11-26T06:05:14Z")
I have some TUTH and just ordered the AMMO 2012. I’ve also got Wolf, SOE, and AV. Yeah I like the idea of disappearing. She’s not my “only option”, however, I do like her and the consensus among my friends is that I do have a chance. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2012, 6:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-which-mix-to-try-from-tuth-ammo-2012-wolf-soe-and-av/57369/5 "2012-11-26T06:51:43Z")
From what you just listed you have, it looks like you are playing a bit hard at her. Make sure you include some [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) as you were recommended in a post above - or Instant Shine. Everybody likes somebody who makes them feel good. ---
**Author:** ![BeerGeek89](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e0b2c6/32.png) [@BeerGeek89](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BeerGeek89)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2012, 8:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-which-mix-to-try-from-tuth-ammo-2012-wolf-soe-and-av/57369/6 "2012-11-26T08:00:16Z")
Okay. I’ll give those a try. What is a good or proper way to mix these scents? ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2012, 12:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-which-mix-to-try-from-tuth-ammo-2012-wolf-soe-and-av/57369/7 "2012-11-26T12:42:55Z")
> [@xplosivv](#): > > Unless she intially had SOME attraction for you, this is going to be an uphill battle man. But if she DID have attraction for you, but you didn’t make moves on her quickly or ask her out or whatever, you might have a chance. > > Go flirt with other girls or become completely unavailable for a few weeks and see what happens. Try get other girls in the mean time… what I think might help you is being a little indifferent to her presence. Let her KNOW you can do better than her anyway. When you “reappear” back into her life, don’t say or let her know you thought about her or whatever. Since she doesn’t think you’re a “sexual” kind of person, you might have to spritz a little ammo/tuth along with a few comfort mones. Might also add in a little IG or a314. Do a little testing on yourself and see what makes you feel boss then run some game like shes any other girl. > > Trust me, its gotta get ugly before it gets better, I’ve been there before. What a beautiful response… It times when I see responses like this I’m grateful for this forum… Your advice covered personality changes, and mone changes and I think that’s good advice. What do you means its gotta get ugly before it gets better ; where you referring to his experience with this particular girl in general or woman as a whole? 😮 ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2012, 12:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-which-mix-to-try-from-tuth-ammo-2012-wolf-soe-and-av/57369/8 "2012-11-26T12:46:09Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > From what you just listed you have, it looks like you are playing a bit hard at her. > > Make sure you include some Instant Gentleman as you were recommended in a post above - or Instant Shine. > > Everybody likes somebody who makes them feel good. Just a quick question John, why did you recommend he gets his hands on IG or IS as opposed to the ammo line? Do you think there is a different merit in using IG in this case and if so why? ---
**Author:** ![BeerGeek89](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e0b2c6/32.png) [@BeerGeek89](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BeerGeek89)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2012, 7:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-which-mix-to-try-from-tuth-ammo-2012-wolf-soe-and-av/57369/9 "2012-11-26T19:05:22Z")
I’m still unsure on how to mix scents. Would I just apply a “normal” amount of each, or do I need to scale them back? ---
**Author:** ![BeerGeek89](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e0b2c6/32.png) [@BeerGeek89](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BeerGeek89)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2012, 7:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-which-mix-to-try-from-tuth-ammo-2012-wolf-soe-and-av/57369/10 "2012-11-26T19:07:34Z")
Also, yes, excellent advice. ---
**Author:** ![xplosivv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/f17d59/32.png) [@xplosivv](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xplosivv)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2012, 9:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-which-mix-to-try-from-tuth-ammo-2012-wolf-soe-and-av/57369/11 "2012-11-30T09:17:48Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > What a beautiful response… It times when I see responses like this I’m grateful for this forum… Your advice covered personality changes, and mone changes and I think that’s good advice. > > What do you means its gotta get ugly before it gets better ; where you referring to his experience with this particular girl in general or woman as a whole? > > 😮 I mean that I’ve been stuck in the friendzone before… trust me when I say I did not want to lose a shot with this girl!! So after a few failed attempts at rekindling her attraction ,I decided to just let it go as hard as it was. I had the PERFECT opportunity to kiss her but didn’t because of my own fear and insecurities. The next few times I saw her I gave her a little attention but flirted with other girls in her presence. It helped that I have a good career path and am good looking, smart, funny (at times lol)… thats all I was getting at 🙂 I then discovered [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) to up my game just a little more and set the right frame to get her flirting and chasing me a little, chasing her a little, and eventually getting her lol… ---
**Author:** ![BeerGeek89](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e0b2c6/32.png) [@BeerGeek89](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BeerGeek89)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2012, 6:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-which-mix-to-try-from-tuth-ammo-2012-wolf-soe-and-av/57369/12 "2012-11-30T18:49:57Z")
Excellent. That’s a badass story. ---
**Author:** ![millwark](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/millwark/32/560_2.png) [@millwark](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/millwark)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2012, 9:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-which-mix-to-try-from-tuth-ammo-2012-wolf-soe-and-av/57369/13 "2012-11-30T21:20:52Z")
Well, what ever happened to good old fashioned chivalry? Why not become what you want to be to her? Depending what exactly that is of course… I mean, sometimes we are bound to be just friends. A lot of women don’t just want to be meat. Why not wine and dine her? Set up a couple of romantic type dates, without getting to carried away emotionally your self. During one of those dates, just tell her how you feel. Don’t be a sap about it necessarily. You want ot sound like a man…not a giddy teen. Say you’d like to get a little bit more serious if she’s interested in that. Talk to the woman. It all has got a lot to do with communicating, being a gentleman and what you can offer her. It’s not only pheros. But if you choose the right ones at the right time…now that’s where you really excel. Maybe during those special times, you wear a little IO, and some [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/). They love that stuff man. Stay away from the complicated pheros and keep it simple and efffective. That’s my two cents man…good luck. Edit…and things don’t **have** to get worse befroe they get better! Relationships taken to another level only get better. Don’t create drama…give her stability, friendship and love, and if she’s accepting of that and willing to take it to the next level…you both win! To often, people have the mentality that they need to make someone jealous, and say stuff like, “fuck you then,” storm off and create drama and set the girl up to beg for you back etc. That’s part of the problem in today’s society. Respect her and this will show her that she can respect you. It’s a mutual thing. Woman are not trash or just meat. I hate when people only talk about getting the pussy. Let’s love each other emotionally…not just create objects out of one another. We all have feelings and women want to know they are worth something in this world. It’s really sad that they are to often looked at as just another conquest, because then they end up with low self esteem and so begins a vicious cycle of needing to fufill the sex need instead of the friendship and love thing. ---
**Author:** ![BeerGeek89](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e0b2c6/32.png) [@BeerGeek89](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BeerGeek89)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2012, 12:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-which-mix-to-try-from-tuth-ammo-2012-wolf-soe-and-av/57369/14 "2012-12-01T00:00:21Z")
Awesome post and very well put. I couldn’t agree more. I’ve always been the gentleman type. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2012, 1:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-which-mix-to-try-from-tuth-ammo-2012-wolf-soe-and-av/57369/15 "2012-12-01T01:33:21Z")
> [@millwark](#): > > Well, what ever happened to good old fashioned chivalry? Why not become what you want to be to her? Depending what exactly that is of course… > > I mean, sometimes we are bound to be just friends. A lot of women don’t just want to be meat. Why not wine and dine her? Set up a couple of romantic type dates, without getting to carried away emotionally your self. > > During one of those dates, just tell her how you feel. Don’t be a sap about it necessarily. You want ot sound like a man…not a giddy teen. Say you’d like to get a little bit more serious if she’s interested in that. Talk to the woman. > > It all has got a lot to do with communicating, being a gentleman and what you can offer her. It’s not only pheros. But if you choose the right ones at the right time…now that’s where you really excel. > > Maybe during those special times, you wear a little IO, and some Ammo. They love that stuff man. Stay away from the complicated pheros and keep it simple and efffective. > > That’s my two cents man…good luck. > > Edit…and things don’t **have** to get worse befroe they get better! Relationships taken to another level only get better. Don’t create drama…give her stability, friendship and love, and if she’s accepting of that and willing to take it to the next level…you both win! > > To often, people have the mentality that they need to make someone jealous, and say stuff like, “fuck you then,” storm off and create drama and set the girl up to beg for you back etc. That’s part of the problem in today’s society. Respect her and this will show her that she can respect you. It’s a mutual thing. Woman are not trash or just meat. I hate when people only talk about getting the pussy. > > Let’s love each other emotionally…not just create objects out of one another. We all have feelings and women want to know they are worth something in this world. It’s really sad that they are to often looked at as just another conquest, because then they end up with low self esteem and so begins a vicious cycle of needing to fufill the sex need instead of the friendship and love thing. I find the more you chase and pressure young women the more they run away. Playing a game of cat and mouse is much better.. the days of dating james bond style are long gone. Women these days want their independence.😮 ---
**Author:** ![phertest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@phertest](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phertest)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2013, 9:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-which-mix-to-try-from-tuth-ammo-2012-wolf-soe-and-av/57369/16 "2013-01-13T09:38:16Z")
> [@millwark](#): > > Well, what ever happened to good old fashioned chivalry? Why not become what you want to be to her? Depending what exactly that is of course… > > I mean, sometimes we are bound to be just friends. A lot of women don’t just want to be meat. Why not wine and dine her? Set up a couple of romantic type dates, without getting to carried away emotionally your self. > > During one of those dates, just tell her how you feel. Don’t be a sap about it necessarily. You want ot sound like a man…not a giddy teen. Say you’d like to get a little bit more serious if she’s interested in that. Talk to the woman. > > It all has got a lot to do with communicating, being a gentleman and what you can offer her. It’s not only pheros. But if you choose the right ones at the right time…now that’s where you really excel. > > Maybe during those special times, you wear a little IO, and some Ammo. They love that stuff man. Stay away from the complicated pheros and keep it simple and efffective. > > That’s my two cents man…good luck. > > Edit…and things don’t **have** to get worse befroe they get better! Relationships taken to another level only get better. Don’t create drama…give her stability, friendship and love, and if she’s accepting of that and willing to take it to the next level…you both win! > > To often, people have the mentality that they need to make someone jealous, and say stuff like, “fuck you then,” storm off and create drama and set the girl up to beg for you back etc. That’s part of the problem in today’s society. Respect her and this will show her that she can respect you. It’s a mutual thing. Woman are not trash or just meat. I hate when people only talk about getting the pussy. > > Let’s love each other emotionally…not just create objects out of one another. We all have feelings and women want to know they are worth something in this world. It’s really sad that they are to often looked at as just another conquest, because then they end up with low self esteem and so begins a vicious cycle of needing to fufill the sex need instead of the friendship and love thing. I respectfully disagree… I just can’t stand the fact that the one you’d “wine and dine” and bend over backwards for sees you as a little chump kissing ass for her attention. Whereas if she was out partying or something and hooked up with some dick that doesn’t give a rats ass about her gets what we are all ultimately after - in her pants. Why should I waste my time when I could just do that? To add insult to injury, the dick has more of a chance of getting into a relationship with her too. Escalation is everything my friend (not that I’m hardcore into pickup, most of it is BS to me… but closing the deal sooner = no friendzone garbage). Funny you say well “fuck you then” because that’s EXACTLY how I think of it. I dont think every girl you like has to like you back but some just love rejecting men even if they do initially feel some attraction. Its a much more primal game than you think it is in my mind. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 4:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-which-mix-to-try-from-tuth-ammo-2012-wolf-soe-and-av/57369/17 "2013-01-14T04:29:10Z")
> [@BeerGeek89](#): > > What would be a good cologne/mix to use to try to get out of the friend zone? If there’s any specifics about the female(s) in question, feel free to ask. use p75.. Your sexual status will be higher and you won’t be perceived as a friend. I’ve never been friended with p75.. With other mones I have. Some say being friended depends on how you act and talk.. To some degree its true but I’m always been a classical man.. Work on the muscles and body, work on a masculine tan, GQ haircut, rich sexy car, Sexy clothes, expensive watch, GQ jaw, listen more than you talk, buy women things and pay for dates, intiate sexual encounters, and you’ll be out of the friend zone. Kissing up to women, flirting etc etc never worked for me.. I have never needed that approach to get laid when I was younger. Sex appeal comes from looks and body and clothing. You don’t need to flirt and kino women.. You just need to jump them and ACT Like a man when you feel the time is right. ---
**Author:** ![RaiderMagic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bc79bd/32.png) [@RaiderMagic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RaiderMagic)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 9:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/friend-zone-which-mix-to-try-from-tuth-ammo-2012-wolf-soe-and-av/57369/18 "2013-01-14T09:40:04Z")
Any update?