# \*\* Game over for me \*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 15, 2009, 7:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/game-over-for-me/28077 "2009-04-15T19:56:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ps86651](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ps86651/32/206_2.png) [@ps86651](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ps86651)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 7:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/game-over-for-me/28077/1 "2009-04-15T19:56:02Z")
Hi there guys, Its been a long time since I last posted any of my reports, but hopefully below you’ll get an idea as to why I’ve just not been in the mood to do so. \*\* In short: no pheros, not even those (standalone and mixes) that have yielded results for me in the past, are working for me. Not an exaggeration, I have tried every which way, but getting no results whatsoever \*\* Initially, I thought it was me, so I took a break from using pheromones for 10 days or so…but that break seems to have had no effect at all. I have: - Tested each phero I own by itself and in combination with others. No results, even at my own derived sweetspots and proven mixes. Combos that have yielded super results in the past (especially the P74 based mixes), have lost their effect…and I mean ZERO. - Tested extensively in different environments and with different people (both known and unknown)…again ZERO Through my phero journey, I have read posts by the more experienced guys on here with great interest, especially those that deal with noticing behaviour patterns. Through reading these posts and through my own practical experiences in a variety of situations (nightclubs, bars etc)…I am normally quite adept at noticing the slight shifts in behaviour and spotting IOI’s. I don’t quite know what has gone wrong, but I’ve made one last order to see if I can rectify the situation. I currently have A314, P74(to come), P86 (to come), Mx292 and [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/). Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated…or else I fear my phero journey (a journey that I DON’T regret for a moment being on, a journey that has at times been exhilarating, exciting, passionate…) has probably come to an end. Thanks a bunch. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 8:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/game-over-for-me/28077/2 "2009-04-15T20:08:30Z")
That sucks man, I remember when I first started on here I would see your posts and think wow! One of these days I’ll get great results like ps! I really hope that you really aren’t getting hits, but perhaps maybe you got too used to the effects that in some way (even if you may not know it) you now just consider these possible hits a “normal” non-phero day? It sounds dumb, but I really hope it’s something along these lines 'cause I sure wouldn’t want to lose a pheromone partner (especially one that had great success with [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) in the past.) > [@ps86651](#): > > Hi there guys, > > Its been a long time since I last posted any of my reports, but hopefully below you’ll get an idea as to why I’ve just not been in the mood to do so. > > \*\* In short: no pheros, not even those (standalone and mixes) that have yielded results for me in the past, are working for me. Not an exaggeration, I have tried every which way, but getting no results whatsoever \*\* > > Initially, I thought it was me, so I took a break from using pheromones for 10 days or so…but that break seems to have had no effect at all. > > I have: > > - Tested each phero I own by itself and in combination with others. No results, even at my own derived sweetspots and proven mixes. Combos that have yielded super results in the past (especially the P74 based mixes), have lost their effect…and I mean ZERO. > > - Tested extensively in different environments and with different people (both known and unknown)…again ZERO > > When faced with these problems, all the usual questions crossed my mind: Am I OD’ing / ghosting? Have they gotten used to my phero signature? I tried shaking things up, even tried super OD’ing, but still no effect. In fact, when I tried to OD on ammo (7 sprays), people didn’t ignore me or get irritated with me, rather it was business as usual with the occasional person saying “man, you smell like shit, change your aftershave!” (ammo original scent) > > Through my phero journey, I have read posts by the more experienced guys on here with great interest, especially those that deal with noticing behaviour patterns. Through reading these posts and through my own practical experiences in a variety of situations (nightclubs, bars etc)…I am normally quite adept at noticing the slight shifts in behaviour and spotting IOI’s. > > I don’t quite know what has gone wrong, but I’ve made one last order to see if I can rectify the situation. > > I currently have A314, P74(to come), P86 (to come), Mx292 and Instant Honesty. > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated…or else I fear my phero journey (a journey that I DON’T regret for a moment being on, a journey that has at times been exhilarating, exciting, passionate…) has probably come to an end. > > Thanks a bunch. ---
**Author:** ![castlerock](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/castlerock/32/1503_2.png) [@castlerock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/castlerock)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 8:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/game-over-for-me/28077/3 "2009-04-15T20:10:33Z")
> [@ps86651](#): > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated…or else I fear my phero journey (a journey that I DON’T regret for a moment being on, a journey that has at times been exhilarating, exciting, passionate…) has probably come to an end. > > Thanks a bunch. Well, first, I would like to say, that pheromones help me get women, but it all starts with me and what’s going inside my head. We all experience slumps, but we shouldn’t give up because of it. Try going different places, changing clothes, even maybe the vibe you give off. I try to look my best, smell my best and so on. Layer your pheromones with some very good colonge. Steve can recommend you a bunch of stuff to read. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 8:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/game-over-for-me/28077/4 "2009-04-15T20:36:37Z")
Have you been having a lot of worries, stress, and problems that you just find are taking over your way of life because you worry about them so much? If so, this could be another reason. I have had proven mixes as well not work for me, mainly because of this exact reason. If you’re not feeling your best, and your mind is preoccupied with lots of worry/stress then that can greatly affect the pheromones. Being in the correct mindset is very crucial to seeing effects, as the pheromones need your 90% as well as you need their 10%. ---
**Author:** ![ps86651](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ps86651/32/206_2.png) [@ps86651](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ps86651)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 8:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/game-over-for-me/28077/5 "2009-04-15T20:47:27Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > Have you been having a lot of worries, stress, and problems that you just find are taking over your way of life because you worry about them so much? If so, this could be another reason. I have had proven mixes as well not work for me, mainly because of this exact reason. If you’re not feeling your best, and your mind is preoccupied with lots of worry/stress then that can greatly affect the pheromones. Being in the correct mindset is very crucial to seeing effects, as the pheromones need your 90% as well as you need their 10%. Not at all dude! I’ve been as relaxed as I possibly can be…I love my job, I work out regularly, I have a great set of friends…all in all, the background conditions are more or less great. Totally understand about the mindset though… ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 8:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/game-over-for-me/28077/6 "2009-04-15T20:53:17Z")
Damn, that sucks ps. I’m not sure what to tell you, especially since I’m less experienced with pheromones than you are. I am hoping though, that your new order will give you back some results at least. _Crosses fingers._ One last possibility ha, ha. Do you think maybe girls are being _too_ intimidated by you because you’re probably too good looking and since you’re a pilot, do you think they probably think you’re too good for them in general? > [@ps86651](#): > > Not at all dude! I’ve been as relaxed as I possibly can be…I love my job, I work out regularly, I have a great set of friends…all in all, the background conditions are more or less great. > > Totally understand about the mindset though… ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 9:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/game-over-for-me/28077/7 "2009-04-15T21:17:45Z")
You mean to tell me you have overdosed on [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) (say… 8+ sprays) and haven’t even noticed self effects? That is hard to believe, because I am so sensitive to it. But wow… ---
**Author:** ![castlerock](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/castlerock/32/1503_2.png) [@castlerock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/castlerock)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 9:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/game-over-for-me/28077/8 "2009-04-15T21:21:35Z")
https://www.youtube.com/embed/SqR5UIxkt6U?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 11:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/game-over-for-me/28077/9 "2009-04-15T23:42:19Z")
Hmm this is a quandry. Are you being congruent ? Usually the break does it. Did people act any differently when you didn’t wear them for the 10 days. Is it possible your neurotransmitters are not replenishing fast enough ? If your under stress, not eating the right foods, If you work out a lot or engage in strenuous activity alot it can take longer for you to replenish your Neurotransmitters. This would only cover self effects though. Did you leave your mones in the heat or in the sun ? Tisha ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 4:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/game-over-for-me/28077/10 "2009-04-16T04:20:32Z")
By the way, at 5+ sprays of Openness or Honesty, I start getting spacey if I am in an enclosed space. Don’t try this nol OD while flying. lol ---
**Author:** ![jankren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jankren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jankren)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 4:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/game-over-for-me/28077/11 "2009-04-16T04:31:35Z")
I have almost all of the phero products and I personally havent really seen much difference between wearing them and not. So far my opinion is that its 90% me while only 10% phero. I definitely can go without it. ---
**Author:** ![tmoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7ab992/32.png) [@tmoz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tmoz)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 4:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/game-over-for-me/28077/12 "2009-04-16T04:58:39Z")
The first step to starting phero’s, is using ones that focus more on self rather than others. If you learn to see and understand changes within yourself and your own behavior, it’s a stepping stone to learning how others will be affected by your personal changes. From there, you slowly learn how to decipher what intrinsic effects of the phero’s itself shape others’ behavior. It’s not an easy process, but it’s A LOT more fun to experience rather than just read or hear someone else talk about. 🙂 No matter due to whatever reason, it seems you’ve started off on the wrong foot. First of all, you shouldn’t even be trying ANY putatives or experimentals until you fully understand the mainstream products. A week of Instant Shine by itself at different doses, [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) the week after, etc etc. Regardless of what people are posting and reporting, never put trust into the experimentals until you understand tested and proven products. You have to realize that people may tend to have a slight recall bias and exaggerrate in their reports at times, so don’t put your full trust and expectations on new products without trying them yourself. BUT don’t try them until again you FULLY understand how phero’s work, and what your sweet spots are for each product. Everyone is different, so it’s no surprise you’ll see a variety of results or even no results for people testing out the same product. As Tisha mentioned, CONGRUENCY is more important than anything else. So how can anyone try to be congruent with their product when they’re not even sure what type of results they’re bound to see? (as in the case of NON-instant line products). Don’t follow the herd, many people here will use phero’s the wrong way (even myself), and many more will start off using phero’s the wrong way. And starting the right way is the ONLY way to enhance and develop your social awareness skills, so that later on your can use those skills to take full advantage of the non-official products like experimentals. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 10:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/game-over-for-me/28077/13 "2009-04-16T10:51:12Z")
Great advice Tmoz but he has been using mones for almost 8 months now and he’s not a newbie. He had been getting getting results for a long time and used the consumer products first then moved onto the putatives. Now we just gotta figure out why they stopped working suddenly. Something had to change > [@](#): > > I have almost all of the phero products and I personally havent really seen much difference between wearing them and not. So far my opinion is that its 90% me while only 10% phero. I definitely can go without it. While I agree with the basic concept of this, the ratio differs for every member and product because we all have different personalities and chemistries. For some it may be a 20 to 80 ratio. Sometimes even better but its never 100% mones. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 1:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/game-over-for-me/28077/14 "2009-04-16T13:13:05Z")
It might be a good idea to go back and evaluate why you started using pheromones to start with. I got in because of the aspect of using them to enhance myself in my store. Make the experience of shopping here leave give a good feeling so that I get more repeat business. Of course once I started using pheromones I started feeling like superman and trying all sorts of new stuff just for excuses to test pheromones. Hey, that’s a good thing, but it also causes me to push in directions that I can’t always be congruent in. Several times I’ve lost track of my orginal goals and start thinking that the pheromones aren’t working like they used to. When I can bring my head back to my starting point though I can usually see the same effects I got in the beginning. Hope this helps. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 3:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/game-over-for-me/28077/15 "2009-04-16T15:39:03Z")
i have products that always work on strangers, and never my target. then i have products that always work on my target, not always on strangers. the difference between the two is what i am expecting or hoping to see is different for both. when my mindset is about noting the _subtle_ differences in people have known for a while behaving differently when wearing pheromones, i can see a difference in behaviour _at only one spray of IH_. when i want my SO to behave differently, i see no difference at 3 sprays. intention plays a HUGE part here,see? not for nothing, but if you were wearing even _half a spray_ of the original Ammo, i would have huffed you until there were no more molecules floating in the air 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ps86651](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ps86651/32/206_2.png) [@ps86651](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ps86651)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 5:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/game-over-for-me/28077/16 "2009-04-16T17:07:43Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > i have products that always work on strangers, and never my target. > then > i have products that always work on my target, not always on strangers. > > the difference between the two > is what i am expecting or hoping to see > is different for both. > > when my mindset is about noting the _subtle_ differences in people have known for a while behaving differently when wearing pheromones, > i can see a difference in behaviour _at only one spray of IH_. > > when i want my SO to behave differently, > i see no difference at 3 sprays. > > intention plays a HUGE part here,see? > > not for nothing, > but if you were wearing even _half a spray_ of the original Ammo, > i would have huffed you until > there were no more molecules floating in the air 😃 Amazing set of responses here…thank you so much guys! It really is a bit of a puzzle. But, to answer some of your questions: - Tisha: I have stored the bottles in a cool dark place, not exposed to sunlight. Neurotransmitters? I’m afraid I don’t know too much about neurotransmitters my dear, so I can’t really comment there! - Catlord: The only phero I’ve actively gone and OD’d on is ammo…I won’t try and OD on anything inflight, since I’m long haul (8+ hrs flying time) and in an enclosed space. Can you imagine what would happen? 😃 - Renny: Great point…I initially got into pheros to help improve my standing at work and socially. It wasn’t so much getting the girls, but the RIGHT kind of girl, with a view of a long-term relationship. In my case 95% of the time, people are attracted to my job, rather than me, which totally totally sucks. I fly planes, big deal, it’s not like I’m a millionaire or anything. My motivation for using pheros hasn’t really changed to be honest…I’m still single ☹ - Castlerock: that clip was so so funny…and appropriate! Thanks so much guys. PS ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 5:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/game-over-for-me/28077/17 "2009-04-16T17:24:46Z")
The ability of the human to learn is astonishing, I think. I suspect you have learned to discount “ordinary” responses to your pheros from strangers just because they have become more consistently present. I submit it’s possible you can no longer compare to the “before” conditions after eight plus months. And I wonder if the flight uniform is another factor in you discounting people’s responses to you. (People reacting to your job versus to you.) I suspect the people who know you well have learned to suppress their responses to your pherosignature (though it’s clear they have some conscious response to your “smell” with cracks about getting a new cologne.) Perhaps at some point you consistently overused pheros. I would say this is a kind of zen problem, where words don’t actually help you experience the reality with a different perspective. And last of all, I wonder if you have, at some level, a fear that people are responding to the pheros (just as they respond to the uniform) and that as a result, either they are falsely interested in you, or that perhaps you feel guilty for falsely (applied pheros) influencing their interest. That could lead you to shut down and/or reject any responses you might elicit … ---
**Author:** ![jjjphero](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jjjphero/32/2026_2.png) [@jjjphero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jjjphero)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2009, 3:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/game-over-for-me/28077/18 "2009-04-20T15:34:22Z")
Hi there, after reading this and after experiencing the effects of pheromones for the first time over the last few days, i can honestly say they work. In fact they work so well it scares me a little! So I think its safe to say it sounds like your products have been compromised! ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2009, 4:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/game-over-for-me/28077/19 "2009-04-20T16:05:32Z")
Hi Jj So did you use Androtics mones ? Which ones ? You should pop on up to the intro section and do a introduction. The instructions are in the sticky section up there and you will get a $25 gift certificate so you can compromise more products 😃 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![ElectraComplex](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/electracomplex/32/1257_2.png) [@ElectraComplex](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ElectraComplex)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2009, 5:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/game-over-for-me/28077/20 "2009-04-20T17:32:21Z")
Hmm.. that is a quandry i myself was wondering about. The effects of long term [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) use on some of us. Odd thought have you changed body washes,anti-persperant/deodorant,moved or have they started doing anything different on the planes there? Maybe its some sort of odd seasonal variation or environmental factor? Sorry, the ladies are more fixated on your job than they are you. I get the idea from a girls perspective. However that’s just shate. You obviously have feelings and seem like a reasonable,stable if lonely fairly handsome chap. My best guesstimate pheros or no is that the type of lady you’re searching for likely thinks you’re out of her league somehow. As for your stock not working anymore.There are a large number of things I would think could cause that. Anything form variation in body temperature,weather,diet, excessively dry air on the plane perhaps,hormonal changes or a change in your bodys natural pheromone signature due to any number of things. You may try places like bookstores,parks,flower shops,sweet shops,perfumeries and bakeries.Pubs at least here tend to draw party girls who just want fun or sugar daddies IF they’re even prowling. Try looking for the more for more subtle cues. Like a girl who looks at the floor or blushes when you smile at her or heaven forbid catch her looking at you. Hmm, tish what do you think about switching to a clothing application if the body application isn’t working for him anymore?(in terms of effects on others anyway)Say a special scarf or something? Something he can wear selectively or one of those perfume or necklace rings. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/game-over-for-me/28077.md?page=2)