# Getting the Woman. **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [September 3, 2012, 7:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-the-woman/56612 "2012-09-03T19:38:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Mysterion](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mysterion/32/986_2.png) [@Mysterion](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mysterion)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2013, 4:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-the-woman/56612/82 "2013-01-25T04:58:45Z")
> [@](#): > > Knowing what to say and do in combination with a step by step approach is what people need to grasp this quickest. By this you mean not meeting girls with the aim to close or anything, but simply to say hello, give a compliment, eject if you wish so, and repeat until you can go a step further? Duh of course what I said was an example, in daygame I open directly mostly with a compliment. So basically learning the whole game model step by step, and analyzing after meeting xx ladies? Just asking for clarification, I know it is an efficient way to do it. ---
**Author:** ![KIMBA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@KIMBA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KIMBA)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2013, 10:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-the-woman/56612/83 "2013-01-25T22:11:20Z")
> [@Mysterion](#): > > By this you mean not meeting girls with the aim to close or anything, but simply to say hello, give a compliment, eject if you wish so, and repeat until you can go a step further? Duh of course what I said was an example, in daygame I open directly mostly with a compliment. > So basically learning the whole game model step by step, and analyzing after meeting xx ladies? > > Just asking for clarification, I know it is an efficient way to do it. You are describing a different animal. That is damage control game. My point is to shorten your learning curve as well as possible, you need to understand the scientific roadmap of courtship, relationships, and the isolationist view of each progressive step. Once you grasp this, you need to know material, or preferably content to say and things to do in each static phase of that outline. I got good at game without a great roadmap. The M3 Model is close to being perfect. I prefer Sinns modified system breaking down PUA in a cyclical fashion (Which I will soon expand upon). Once you grasp how an interaction works, you grasp the concept of how to build comfort and attraction. This is the frame work of PUA. This is where the ‘you can say anything’ comes through. If you fully comprehend PUA and have the correct frame of mind, you can spew gold at the right time. The missing key to an accelerated learning curve is having specific moves and material to run at the correct time. I am speaking from both the get laid/GF and how to get better at game. Guys who run pure canned material learn how to game well because of it. Guys who learn the free flowing form of self amusement and mostly attraction game learn the process through continuing the cycle over and over again until you grasp what works best when. By combining the two, knowing a few conversational, comfort, and qualifying concepts to splash into an efficacious model is what gets you success after a few trial runs. What you described is Damage Control game. I dont know of many PUA’s that speak on this (Or any). This is the process of doing something you KNOW will not work and trying to save the set. This teaches you that a LOAD of things you think you cant do is acceptable, and also your game explodes because you perfect calibration. Examples of DC game is: - Yelling at a Girl. - Doing something unacceptable (Racist slur, or Sexist slur) - Groping - Etc. You can break it down into not showing intent, not opening correctly and so on. Any area you need to improve you can intentionally mess up and try to save the set. I do it often. I tried it tonight. I mocked a gal, had her stop, engage angrily and worked it off. I also told a customer at work all I want for my birthday is a big booty hoe. I then said, You have a big booty so I call you big booty. This was GOLDEN. But, I then stumbled by not closing (Taboo at work, in my mind. I need to get over this). I did get her SUPER into me. Today at work I also yelled at a girl for leaving her coat in my area, she moved it quickly. I teased her, banter, and she came back five hours later to chat. Great night. DC game is doing something you dont THINK will work or you have a prior experience of messing up sets with. If you have a good grasp of game I advise it. You WILL have epiphanies. Going to a club in a new city and opening sets with, "Hey, do my pants look too Rapey?"Its shock, not acceptable, and opens in clubs. Day Game? No. But I tried it out a time or two and did what I could. I think I will touch on proper structure first. The break down material/what to do in each step in order. ---
**Author:** ![Mysterion](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mysterion/32/986_2.png) [@Mysterion](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mysterion)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 1:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-the-woman/56612/84 "2013-01-26T01:31:00Z")
Err what? No o .o What I described is a simple step-by-step learning. You try to do things right, but you do it in small steps until you feel confident in doing it. This way, if all you have to do is say hello as a beginner and then are free to eject, it takes a lot of pressure off yourself encouraging you to actually do it. What often stops beginners is not only simple anxiety but also the “I have to watch the 10 hours of material once again…just once!”. Being exposed to it in slow portions while getting majorly positive reactions will reduce anxiety. ---
**Author:** ![KIMBA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@KIMBA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KIMBA)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2013, 11:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-the-woman/56612/85 "2013-01-26T23:47:27Z")
> [@Mysterion](#): > > Err what? No o .o > What I described is a simple step-by-step learning. You try to do things right, but you do it in small steps until you feel confident in doing it. This way, if all you have to do is say hello as a beginner and then are free to eject, it takes a lot of pressure off yourself encouraging you to actually do it. What often stops beginners is not only simple anxiety but also the “I have to watch the 10 hours of material once again…just once!”. Being exposed to it in slow portions while getting majorly positive reactions will reduce anxiety. I need to stop posting after going out after a ten hour work day, I RAMBLE. I will clarify a bit. I find that unless you know a strong and strict structure you dont know what to say or do. Most guys never get one night stands, or how to get a girl off the street. Its new, challenging, and scary. If you have a very rigid system you have the roadmap. This is why so many guys got good off MM. At the same time you need material, which is how some MM instructors got great, using and modifying routines to fill time. You need both to cut off the learning curve to mastery. Lets stop dancing around this subject, structure: **COMPLETE GAME STRUCTURE** This is the plain and boring structure I teach now to ‘rigid’ guys. Mainly smart kids who are just not socially savvy. If you are intelligent you can pick up and break down this process. I prefer to use a stripped down system for quicker results, as posted previously in the thread, but unfortunately I find that the time required to use it enough to calibrate yourself is far too long. The entire structure is based around several structured game concepts, notably M3, Sinn, AFC Adam, Tyler Durden and Sasha Day Game. The key to Game in this structure is creating windows of Comfort and Rapport and Breaking Rapport/Raising Emotions to funnel the energy of the interaction from platonic to sexual. Along the way you speed track the courtship through qualification, a long drawn out form of Influence to get a person to both trust you and hold you in value. **A. Approach** 1. Pre - Opener. This is a way to get the woman’s and/or groups attention and build social comfort. A Pre - Opener would be “HEY” or “YOU!” or “EXCUSE ME!” This acts as a way to remove a person from the social construct of mundane life. In Day game this is used to focus her to you and from work activities and at night to remove the other distractions of music/booze and onto you. You can use touch for this step. Random High Fives works wonders. 2. Body Language. When you approach and catch her attention you need strong body language to show you are non -threatening and still alpha. This is done through palms facing towards her, eye contact, feet a half meter apart and such PUA body language traits. 3. Voice Projection. When approaching you must project your vice enough for her to hear, but you should cycle tonality. Be expressive and dominant in the pre-open and when you transition into your opener (Next step) you slightly quite down for content. This acts to grab her attention and make her listen to you move. Your pitch lowers as well. 4. Opener. This is the “Who lies more” portion of an approach. What to say is important in an Approach, a key element but not the sum total. The Open you use is often best as situational in nature. Not about the environment, but to you and your life. “What do you think of guys who want to sleep with their best friends GF’s?” 5. FTC. False Time Constraint is a way or reason to leave the group. I prefer a REAL time constraint. The PUA community does, “I cant stay long, I need to get back to my friends…” and they stack foreword into more material. I advise a real one. Also, a body language FTC works. You open with open body language and turn your body from her to leave. 6. Transition. A transitional statement or action to stay with the girl and continue the conversation. Some key points on transitions are: Notice something about her and touch it (Interesting necklace, scarf, etc.), Cold Reads (Random statement which is a truism about all people in general), and Transitional Routine/Statement. Routine/Statement would be, “Anyways” or “Check this out”. If you get this far, congrats, you just opened a girl. Or the first 3 minutes of a social interaction. **This is the phase of SOCIAL COMFORT.** TO break Rapport you need social comfort to actually break, or social rapport to break. Once you break it in the next phase, you delve deeper into the pick up. Think of the stages as funnels, and each step as a road bump attempting to stop your progress. By learning all the speed bumps you can calibrate yourself to not get stopped. I use a FTC before attraction, you can use it in attraction (It is a sign of Disinterest) but I find it helps set up the playful vibe early and balances out with the transition of a Cold Read I often do. **B. Attraction** 1. Break Rapport. To Break Rapport is a way to release the social comfort. BR can be from a plethora of resources. You can use: Yelling, Mocking, Teasing, Pushing, Shoving, Slapping. When you get better you can learn to use Take Aways, Freeze-outs and Negs, but delivery is challenging. 2. Emotional Stimulation. You must stimulate how she feels as a way to recover from the BR. Even a playful BR needs to be brought back up to high energy to pull the interaction foreword. This is your typical routine section of light teasing, playing, small talk, future adventure projections, Pebbles and BT spikes. 3. Touch. I AM suggesting you become the touchy feely guy. You can hold her hand, tickle, touch her arm, hug, Palm Read and so on. This is a small spike based on the emotional stimulation. 4. Intellectual Stimulation. Once you spike her emotions, you need to slow down a bit before the next step. You have two types of attraction, emotional and curiosity. Curiosity is Cold Reads, DHV and having answers to normal boring questions that make your life sounds good. 5. Surface Qualification. This is a wide and deep topic, but Surface Qualification is PUA’s Small Hoops and Framing an interaction. Examples of this are: “Are you fun?” “Can you cook?” “I sure like girls who like to do X.” This shows you have standards and build attraction within itself, and also slows things down fro the BR emotional spiking into Comfort. The difference from Approach to Attraction is bar BR, 2 - 5 all cycle. In your five minute attraction section before you gear down, you can hit those points multiple times or not at all. Having all element si more solid attraction but based on the girl not needed. MORE TO COME. ---
**Author:** ![Mysterion](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mysterion/32/986_2.png) [@Mysterion](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mysterion)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 2:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-the-woman/56612/86 "2013-01-27T02:21:36Z")
Duh if that was a response to my post, I think again you didnt understand. Our guy’s name is Bob. Bob has watched xyz pua stuff, 10 hours of material. He’s overwhelmed. Bob never had the guts to approach a woman. Not only the general reject-anxiety plagues him, but also there’s too much - the 10 hours material - going on in his head, so even if he had done the approach he wouldnt be in the moment but instead always thinking about the next 2 hours he watched. Bob now tries to lower his goal of the day: if he can meet 3 women and just say hello and make a compliment or ask a question + then free to eject, his day will have been a success. It wasn’t an easy task, but much easier for Bob than aiming to get through all the material at once. Bob practiced it and added 1 element whenever he felt confident, and eventually became good at flirting. _Happy end_ ---
**Author:** ![KIMBA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@KIMBA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KIMBA)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2013, 8:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-the-woman/56612/87 "2013-01-27T20:45:35Z")
Ah, information overload. When I speak of material, I mean some conversational starters and some funny jokes/one liners you already say. I have an inside joke with X wing, when we go out I use it infront of gals and they laugh too. If you have ten hours of material, bravo. At most I have two, and that is digging deep. Anyways, yes. I advise to NOT care about where the interaction leads. When I leave my house my goal is to have fun. I get laid, cool. If I dont its still cool. I find when I need to ‘preform’ I do worse. When guys attach an end goal to the process it puts pressure on the process itself. ---
**Author:** ![JoelS57](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/joels57/32/1777_2.png) [@JoelS57](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JoelS57)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 2:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-the-woman/56612/88 "2013-05-22T14:49:00Z")
Good thread. A lot to read. ---
**Author:** ![hankypanky2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hankypanky2/32/597_2.png) [@hankypanky2](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hankypanky2)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2013, 2:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-the-woman/56612/89 "2013-10-19T02:30:57Z")
Err can you tell me about Mystery background. I only read a seduction book by a Harvard graduate who keeps a spreadsheet of all girls he slept with. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-the-woman/56612.md?page=4)