# Getting them to initiate - or, How about that CTTM? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 13, 2006, 6:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-them-to-initiate-or-how-about-that-cttm/352 "2006-05-13T06:42:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2006, 6:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-them-to-initiate-or-how-about-that-cttm/352/1 "2006-05-13T06:42:04Z")
I’d like to know what the bestpheromone or mix is for getting the other person (in my case, a woman) to initiate a conversation. IO? IH? CTTM? I’d also like to hear about times when people initiated a conversation with you and you believe it was because of the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) you had on. What did they say? What was the setting? What was the tone of the remark and resultant conversation? How do you think the mix affected them, and how did it affect you? Thanks, ladies and gents, I appreciate it. ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2006, 5:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-them-to-initiate-or-how-about-that-cttm/352/2 "2006-05-13T17:37:59Z")
best mix for getting them to initiate? i use a mix of eyes/smile. 😃 my pheromones don’t work from 20 or 30 feet away but my dazzling smile and bright blue eyes sure do. 😃 after that, if i’m wearing anything alpha nol based, it is practically impossible for them to be shy or quiet and then it is only a matter of time. some women just don’t want to initiate or give you the impression that they are initiating and in those cases i rely on 3 things- 1)Me (eyes and smile) 2 approach/pheromone 3) ability to converse on a wide range of topics. ---
**Author:** ![Oceanborn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/oceanborn/32/1229_2.png) [@Oceanborn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Oceanborn)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2006, 2:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-them-to-initiate-or-how-about-that-cttm/352/3 "2006-05-14T02:18:21Z")
I asked MHarris the exact same question a while back, and he recommended IFM + Shine + maybe some alpha-nol (CTTM2 or up, IO, or Spaceland). Haven’t tried it as I don’t want IFM to affect my wing. Maybe one of these days when I go out alone. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2006, 1:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-them-to-initiate-or-how-about-that-cttm/352/4 "2006-05-15T13:19:36Z")
> [@Oceanborn](#): > > I asked MHarris the exact same question a while back, and he recommended IFM + Shine + maybe some alpha-nol (CTTM2 or up, IO, or Spaceland). > > Haven’t tried it as I don’t want IFM to affect my wing. Maybe one of these days when I go out alone. That’s right, Oceanborn. Looks like [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) in combo with Shine can also generate some forwardness. ---
**Author:** ![Rapaille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@Rapaille](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rapaille)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2006, 2:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-them-to-initiate-or-how-about-that-cttm/352/5 "2006-05-15T14:44:41Z")
My best result I got from: 2 drops a314+ 2 sprays pherlure. Got approached by 3 girls (normally i don’t get approached at all by girls!). One even put an effort in trying me to notice her, i was with friends and standing with my back towards her. I never used that combo again in a clubsetting (because of all the topics at LS that pherlure is bullshit). But now i am trying that one again. Catlord, I know your a fan of this combo 2. Actually it was one of your posts on the LS-forum that convinced me (also because your the same age), thanks for that. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2006, 8:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-them-to-initiate-or-how-about-that-cttm/352/6 "2006-05-16T08:21:01Z")
I am indeed a fan of A314 + Pherlure. I’m almost out of Pherlure, and I haveen’t treated my assistant to any of it lately, but I probably should. I need to get out more and torture some women with my pheromonal sexiness. 😃 Instant Honesty and Instant Shine, hmmm, sounds interesting. IFM sounds good too. And [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/). I have a lot of experimenting to do yet. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2006, 8:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-them-to-initiate-or-how-about-that-cttm/352/7 "2006-05-17T08:00:12Z")
Alright, I just ordered IFM and CTTM2. I figure CTTM2 is a good buy and has both Anol and Bnol in it. Can’t wait to try these out! Have to get some more IS, but that will come in time. ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2006, 2:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-them-to-initiate-or-how-about-that-cttm/352/8 "2006-05-17T14:19:16Z")
cool, report back–im curious about CTTM also. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2006, 10:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-them-to-initiate-or-how-about-that-cttm/352/9 "2006-06-03T10:07:36Z")
Well, after having had a few chances to observe CTTM in action, I can honestly say I like it. I haven’t tried more than 2 sprays at a time yet, but it seems to provoke steady, comfortable conversation. It’s not blathering, like I got from SoE, and it’s not deep bonding and secret revelations like I read IH does, but a comfortable blend of open communocation and honesty. ---
**Author:** ![SwingerMD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SwingerMD](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SwingerMD)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2006, 7:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-them-to-initiate-or-how-about-that-cttm/352/10 "2006-06-04T07:08:53Z")
I have CTT2. Seems to work well once you get the conversation started. I agree with Josef that the most effective and potent conversation starter is a mix of eyes and smiles. Now, with that in mind I do think that a couple of the experimones have a lot of potential as conversation initiators. They are (in my opinion) p74, p75 and p78. For me it seems that all the women pratically appear out of nowhere with I have p75 and p78 (to a slightly lesser extent). -SwingerMD ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2006, 1:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-them-to-initiate-or-how-about-that-cttm/352/11 "2006-06-04T13:55:47Z")
Tell me more about how you see p75 and p78 affecting conversation. ---
**Author:** ![SwingerMD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SwingerMD](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SwingerMD)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2006, 10:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-them-to-initiate-or-how-about-that-cttm/352/12 "2006-06-04T22:37:33Z")
Catlord17, For me p75 is one of my top pheros for getting follows to ask me to dance out on the floor (most expect guys to do the asking). As for p78 it is also one of the top for getting follows to ask me to dance. The main difference between the two of them is that with p78 it seems that there is also a empathic component to it. For example with p75 I pratically get ambushed/blindsided by women who get really into me (esp. those that I don’t know). Just this past weekend I had some woman start commenting that we had an really awesome dance earlier in the day (I wasn’t there.). When I danced with her it really seemed that we were on different pages (she didn’t seem to notice). When wearing p78, I do get the “have I met you before?” vibe, but I also seem to connect more with them while dancing. It seems that with p78 the follows are actually . . . following . . . while with p75 they are doing their own thing. -SwingerMD ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2006, 3:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-them-to-initiate-or-how-about-that-cttm/352/14 "2006-06-05T03:30:56Z")
> [@SwingerMD](#): > > Catlord17, > > For me p75 is one of my top pheros for getting follows to ask me to dance out on the floor (most expect guys to do the asking). > > As for p78 it is also one of the top for getting follows to ask me to dance. The main difference between the two of them is that with p78 it seems that there is also a empathic component to it. For example with p75 I pratically get ambushed/blindsided by women who get really into me (esp. those that I don’t know). Just this past weekend I had some woman start commenting that we had an really awesome dance earlier in the day (I wasn’t there.). When I danced with her it really seemed that we were on different pages (she didn’t seem to notice). When wearing p78, I do get the “have I met you before?” vibe, but I also seem to connect more with them while dancing. It seems that with p78 the follows are actually . . . following . . . while with p75 they are doing their own thing. > > -SwingerMD Hmm, interesting… these putatives sure do have me confused. I don’t do well with heavily numeric names. 🙂 Those both sound interesting, though. Have you seen how they work outside of dances? ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2006, 6:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-them-to-initiate-or-how-about-that-cttm/352/15 "2006-06-05T18:00:53Z")
How did CTTM work for you? My order is coming today, so I’m eager to know. I decided not to go with IH (which caused a ruckus on this board) The product is heavy, but I want something a little lighter and gradual… actually now that i think of it, I could have bought IH and mixed it with my half anol (25mg) bottle DOH! whatever, its always good to try new things. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnieT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ce7236/32.png) [@JohnnieT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnieT)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2006, 10:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-them-to-initiate-or-how-about-that-cttm/352/16 "2006-06-05T22:04:29Z")
I just ordered IS(DS)and IFM.I’m almost out of IS and I’ve read too much positive info.on IFM,to say no.The purchase is WAY beyond my budget.But,I’m having too much fun experimenting.So,I’ll cut corners,elsewhere. A woman initiated conversation,with me,only once lately(using A314 m. and IS.)I’m curious,about adding IFM,to this mix.😃 ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2006, 1:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-them-to-initiate-or-how-about-that-cttm/352/17 "2006-06-06T01:20:45Z")
Damn, this stuff smells GOOD!!! 😮 ---
**Author:** ![SwingerMD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SwingerMD](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SwingerMD)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2006, 3:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-them-to-initiate-or-how-about-that-cttm/352/18 "2006-06-06T03:23:03Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > Hmm, interesting… these putatives sure do have me confused. I don’t do well with heavily numeric names. 🙂 Those both sound interesting, though. Have you seen how they work outside of dances? Catlord17, I was planning to use p74,p75, and p78 on my trip to Hawaii and Japan. Unfortunately I’m not sure what rxn to attibute to these mones. To make a long story short, before I left on the trip I had removed the labels and replaced them with plain labels with p74 . . . etc written on them. I really didn’t want to explain to customs and airport security what these were. Customs and security were a breeze, but when I had opened my bag after I arrived in Hawaii, I had found that one of the bottles had leaked enough to clean off the writing on the labels 😛 . I tried a few times to figure out which one was which, but I got no noticable rxn in Hawaii or Japan (dosage might have been off for the climate or wasn’t around people long enough). The only thing that seemed to work normally were the packettes of SOE that I took along. -SwingerMD ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2006, 3:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-them-to-initiate-or-how-about-that-cttm/352/19 "2006-06-06T03:46:02Z")
> [@examine](#): > > How did CTTM work for you? My order is coming today, so I’m eager to know. I decided not to go with IH (which caused a ruckus on this board) > > The product is heavy, but I want something a little lighter and gradual… > > actually now that i think of it, I could have bought IH and mixed it with my half anol (25mg) bottle DOH! > > whatever, its always good to try new things. CTTM does what it says it does. It makes people talk to you. I haven’t tried it at doses beyond 2 sprays at a time yet, and I haven’t been in many situations where I had time to really expose people to my mones, but I have noticed that communication has been easier, more natural and more spontaneous with it. It makes the ice thinner, as I mentioned elsewhere, and so it’s much easier to “break the ice”. It also seems to help me relate to people who are much younger. My female cousins were much easier to relate to (18 and 16) than usual, and I also noticed that my uncle was easier to communicate with as well. I have been trying to communicate better with him for a long time. Interestingly enough, my other uncle is also someone I need to improve communications with, but I doubt pheromones will work on him because he’s lost his sense of smell in a motorcycle accident. It also seems to lighten the mood and has a sort of friendly vibe to it. It’s definitely not sexual, or even sensual, for me at the level I have been using it. I am going to be doing some experiments soon with very high doses of CTTM. 4 and 5 sprays at a time. I’m curious how it will affect me and others at those levels. I like the way it smells, but it smells much like the other instant line products to me. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2006, 3:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-them-to-initiate-or-how-about-that-cttm/352/20 "2006-06-06T03:53:24Z")
> [@JohnnieT](#): > > I just ordered IS(DS)and IFM.I’m almost out of IS and I’ve read too much positive info.on IFM,to say no.The purchase is WAY beyond my budget.But,I’m having too much fun experimenting.So,I’ll cut corners,elsewhere. > A woman initiated conversation,with me,only once lately(using A314 m. and IS.)I’m curious,about adding IFM,to this mix.😃 I have A314 and IFM, and I’m waiting for the IShine to arrive, but I’m very much looking forward to seeing the results of this mix of these three as well. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2006, 7:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-them-to-initiate-or-how-about-that-cttm/352/21 "2006-06-06T07:45:48Z")
update: Just came back from watching the Di Vinci Code (it sucked). First date with this very classy black girl (shes actually mixed with Chinese as well). She looks like the girl in X-Men III–the one with the pierced chin (whatever they call that) …she’s very pretty. she looks like an anime almost. I wore 2 sprays of CTTM, 2 sprays of It’s Him, 2 sprays of IFM and 2 drops of A314 to the forearms (normally dont use A314 on dates, but she’s a 9er) and a couple of years older…Im sure her expectation are high, in fact, her ex husband was a Britney Spears Dancer LOL In the theatre it looked like she wanted to kiss me, leaving her hand on her lap close to me…but I didnt respond. Her body languages was on my side tho. As we were walking out, she grabbed my hand, then she gave me a hug, took a whiff of my neck and the kissing began. ( This was 2 steps forward from the last time I saw her, she was pretty damn conservative. The communication was great. The vibe of this mix was perfect. Talking was easy, never any akward pauses and as the convo got deeper and deeper, things got very relaxed. Normally I wouldnt know what angle to approach this kinda girl (as far as kissing on the first date), so I really wasnt expecting said above. esp not on a last min date on a monday night. I gotta give it to MHarris tho, CTTM is perfect for my age bracket. People were talking to me in line as I was waiting for popcorn. Mind you, my face was very unapproachable, I was very tired..this was at the end of the day, with only 3 hours of sleep and 9 hours of work. yet multiple people kept trying to chat it up with me (lots of early 20 year olds were out). very rare considering I had on A314 mutant. I guess the forearms werent overwhelming, plus it didnt change my attitude the way it does when I wear it on my neck. anyways. Im buzzed and rambling. Just thought I’d give a quick update. =) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-them-to-initiate-or-how-about-that-cttm/352.md?page=2)