# Girlfriend says TUTH, Instant Shine and A314 smell like sweat: how to cover it? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 7, 2007, 12:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girlfriend-says-tuth-instant-shine-and-a314-smell-like-sweat-how-to-cover-it/4016 "2007-06-07T12:25:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Hogar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/2bfe46/32.png) [@Hogar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hogar)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2007, 12:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girlfriend-says-tuth-instant-shine-and-a314-smell-like-sweat-how-to-cover-it/4016/1 "2007-06-07T12:25:11Z")
I have been experimenting for two weeks with TUTH, Instant SHine and A314 and results are… hm. There aren’t any! 😠 Yesterday when I put two drops of A314, Two sprays of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) and ONE spray of TUTH my girl said that I smell like sweat. I have noticed from the first time that IS and TUTH has almost the same bad smell, but I have thought that it was only frist 20min. I cannot belive how do you guys can enjoy wearing them, and most of all how does your girls like them?! I haven’t seen any positive effect of wearing pheros for two weeks. Maybe some minor ones, but TUTH is deffinitely not working. Almost the opposite. Just to point out here that I have varied aplication from 1-3 sprays. I’m thinking to get unscented versions of IS and TUTH, but I’m not shure. Are there some pheros WITH NO SMELL or al least some discreet one. I’m feeling I have killed all insects in my area. By the way I’m 30, white, in Europe… Please share some advice guys! ☹ ---
**Author:** ![rollercoaster](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rollercoaster/32/2361_2.png) [@rollercoaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/rollercoaster)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2007, 12:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girlfriend-says-tuth-instant-shine-and-a314-smell-like-sweat-how-to-cover-it/4016/2 "2007-06-07T12:40:55Z")
i havnt recieved my first bottle of [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) yet, so i cant be of that much help with how to use it. but pheromones smells of sweat, there is (as far as i know) no way of removing the natural smell from anything, but you can cover the smell with somthing els, eg a cologne. also its not every1 that can smell pheromones, though most people can learn to smell them, and some (maybe most) people that can smell them like the smell. i read a field report by a girl (dont remember who, if you want creds for it, just shoud out loud 😉 ) that went with phero’s unscented (didnt have time to add her perfume or forgot to or somthing) that made her very selfconciouse becouse to her it didnt smell to good, but no one around her noticed. well, good luck with them, and hope you get them working ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2007, 12:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girlfriend-says-tuth-instant-shine-and-a314-smell-like-sweat-how-to-cover-it/4016/3 "2007-06-07T12:41:32Z")
The pheros - esp. Turn Up The Heat with the heavy 'none - do have a smell. When she said you smelled like sweat she was commenting on the TUTH. Remember - the idea is to take a naturally occuring substance (that can influence people) that you can seldom smell at a conscious level (except for 'none, which gives guys a noticeable odor naturally) and bumping that up quite a bit. That bump up often does create a scent that is consciously noticeable because it is so ramped up. Most of us use a little cologne to cover. Also - the effects of the pheromones are often subtle. And it will still take you utilizing your social skills to capitalize on their influence. The other thing that I and soem others have seen is that the influence on those who know us best can be even more subtle as we already have set interaction patterns and those are hardest to affect. ---
**Author:** ![Hogar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/2bfe46/32.png) [@Hogar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hogar)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2007, 12:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girlfriend-says-tuth-instant-shine-and-a314-smell-like-sweat-how-to-cover-it/4016/5 "2007-06-07T12:59:31Z")
I’m not shure it is the none of Neroli scent. I found that TUTH and IS have almost the same dominant smell, and IS if none free. Right? So, I just wondering would it be good to give a try with unscented versions of TUTH and IS and cover it with some nice GUCCI 😛. I wish there is option to order unscented verions in small portable bottles, but as i can see there is only full size version of unscented pheros. I cannot imagine to apply 4-6 sprays of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) like some of other guys here do, and go out 😮 Maybe I didn’t noticed any effect because of small aplication, but with that kind of bad smell I was affraid to go further. Can you tell me what are the smell (if there are any) of unscented TUTH and IS and what is intensity of that smell compared to Neroli versions. ---
**Author:** ![alessio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@alessio](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alessio)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2007, 2:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girlfriend-says-tuth-instant-shine-and-a314-smell-like-sweat-how-to-cover-it/4016/6 "2007-06-07T14:43:41Z")
Im a pretty new user of pheromones, and i can say to you that the first time i wear pheromones i said: hell! what’ s this bad smell??? I bought turn up the heat, instant openess and instant female magic. The first one I used was instant openess. I wear it and i didn’ t like it. My girl also didn’ t like it and both tought that smelled like pee. The other times i used pheromones i was getting used of them and so my girl and my friend. These pheromones are situation-specific so you have to use them well, at the right time and at the right place. For example is not a good idea to wear turn up the heat in the morning when going to work. I can suggest you to get used about them, wear only one per time since you know them very well, then start mixing. BUY AMMONITION! Ammo is always good. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2007, 2:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girlfriend-says-tuth-instant-shine-and-a314-smell-like-sweat-how-to-cover-it/4016/7 "2007-06-07T14:48:08Z")
everyone jumps on TUTH when first buying.🙄 i dont get it, except that after a certain amount of reading is done, they are less likely to use it 🙄 you use it to TUTH with someone specific after the heating up process has BEGUN, haha, who turns up the heat if there isnt heat to begin with? your turning up the _wth is that?_?? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![bronzie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@bronzie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bronzie)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2007, 2:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girlfriend-says-tuth-instant-shine-and-a314-smell-like-sweat-how-to-cover-it/4016/8 "2007-06-07T14:57:05Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > everyone jumps on Turn Up The Heat when first buying.🙄 > > i dont get it, except that after a certain amount of reading is done, they are less likely to use it 🙄 > > you use it to TUTH with someone specific after the heating up process has BEGUN, haha, who turns up the heat if there isnt heat to begin with? > > your turning up the _wth is that?_?? > > 😃 translate ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2007, 3:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girlfriend-says-tuth-instant-shine-and-a314-smell-like-sweat-how-to-cover-it/4016/9 "2007-06-07T15:28:33Z")
> [@Hogar](#): > > … Yesterday when I put two drops of A314, Two sprays of Instant Shine and ONE spray of Turn Up The Heat my girl said that I smell like sweat. I have noticed from the first time that IS and Turn Up The Heat has almost the same bad smell, but I have thought that it was only frist 20min. I cannot belive how do you guys can enjoy wearing them, and most of all how does your girls like them?! I haven’t seen any positive effect of wearing pheros for two weeks. Maybe some minor ones, but Turn Up The Heat is deffinitely not working. Almost the opposite. Just to point out here that I have varied aplication from 1-3 sprays. I’m thinking to get unscented versions of IS and TUTH, but I’m not shure. Are there some pheros WITH NO SMELL or al least some discreet one. I’m feeling I have killed all insects in my area. By the way I’m 30, white, in Europe… Please share some advice guys! ☹ What did you expect pheromones to smell like? They are in sweat. You can buy products labeled “pheromones” that don’t smell like that. They’re composed of alcohol and fragrance. [Unscented pheromone](https://a314.com/product-category/stealth-unfragranced/) products will smell worse, not better. Experiment with the products a little and you will start to observe the effects on others. I had dreams in which in various ways I got covered with urine or feces when I first started wearing them. The dreams went away after my subconscious figured out what was going on. > [@Lor](#): > > everyone jumps on TUTH when first buying.🙄 > > i dont get it, except that after a certain amount of reading is done, they are less likely to use it 🙄 > > you use it to TUTH with someone specific after the heating up process has BEGUN, haha, who turns up the heat if there isnt heat to begin with? > > your turning up the _wth is that?_?? > > 😃 > [@bronzie](#): > > translate I speak female, and will attempt a translation. You use it to “Turn Up The Heat” with someone specific after the heating up process has BEGUN. haha. Who turns up the heat if there isnt heat to begin with? You’re turning up the _"What the hell is that?_??" 😉 ---
**Author:** ![HotMama](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hotmama/32/1786_2.png) [@HotMama](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HotMama)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2007, 4:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girlfriend-says-tuth-instant-shine-and-a314-smell-like-sweat-how-to-cover-it/4016/10 "2007-06-07T16:01:01Z")
Ok here’s what you need to do. Buy Ammunition cologne, and specify version 1.5 (in the special notes AND by phone call), in regular strength When you get it, wear 3 drops of A314 and 2 sprays of Ammo. If your girl doesn’t like that, you need a new girl 😃 (j/k of course, but it does smell great!!! ) oh, and apply 20-30 minutes in advance of seeing her, so that the smell dissipates a little bit, too. Turn Up The Heat does not have the best scent in my opinion, nor does it have the -none buffered with other pheromones like Ammo does. You can try to come back to using TUTH after you get a feel for the combo of A314/Ammo. Good luck with your pheroendeavors! ---
**Author:** ![HotMama](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hotmama/32/1786_2.png) [@HotMama](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HotMama)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2007, 4:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girlfriend-says-tuth-instant-shine-and-a314-smell-like-sweat-how-to-cover-it/4016/11 "2007-06-07T16:01:59Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > everyone jumps on Turn Up The Heat when first buying.🙄 > > i dont get it, except that after a certain amount of reading is done, they are less likely to use it 🙄 > > you use it to TUTH with someone specific after the heating up process has BEGUN, haha, who turns up the heat if there isnt heat to begin with? > > your turning up the _wth is that?_?? > > 😃 lmao!!! ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2007, 4:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girlfriend-says-tuth-instant-shine-and-a314-smell-like-sweat-how-to-cover-it/4016/12 "2007-06-07T16:35:17Z")
> [@HotMama](#): > > lmao!!! hahaha i swear , guys wearing TUTH around town… thinking they will catch someone … is just like meeting a girl _and without a word_ taking your pants off in front of her. you will see the same look on her face wearing TUTH,LOL! [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) is buffered perfectly. GWTW, thank you for translating 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2007, 4:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girlfriend-says-tuth-instant-shine-and-a314-smell-like-sweat-how-to-cover-it/4016/13 "2007-06-07T16:52:32Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > hahaha > > i swear , guys wearing Turn Up The Heat around town… thinking they will catch someone … is just like meeting a girl _and without a word_ taking your pants off in front of her. > > you will see the same look on her face wearing Turn Up The Heat,LOL! > > Ammo is buffered perfectly. > > GWTW, thank you for translating 🙂 I agree actually. Androstenone (TUTH) is a pheromone that needs to be worn in the right contextual environment. Outside of that its effects can do more harm than good. For starters looking for more immediate indication that pheromones are working, the most socially oriented types like Instant Openness, Instant Honesty, CTTM, etc work far more consistently. Products like TUTH and especially A314 work in a much more subtle fashion, and really need to be used mindfully. Also I would HIGHLY recommend using a cover fragrance over the pheromones. Find one thats strong enough to cover the scent of the pheromones without being over bearing. Like others have mentioned, [synthetic pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) are derived from compounds that exist in human sweat…they inherently stink. I’m with Lor on Ammo. Simple and effective. Its a well balanced mix of social and sexual pheromones that simply works. Plus it comes with a nice cover fragrance that makes the smell of the pheromones largely undetectable. ---
**Author:** ![sweetsense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@sweetsense](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sweetsense)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2007, 10:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girlfriend-says-tuth-instant-shine-and-a314-smell-like-sweat-how-to-cover-it/4016/14 "2007-06-07T22:41:31Z")
I used AMMO around the lady I’m working, all that happened was she started crying about various things, and apoligized because she didn’t feel as strongly about me as I do her and that I shouldn’t ‘settle’. So now I ordered Turn Up the Heat, MX 102, I Openness, [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/), and figured I’d use 3 srays Ammo as a cover. I haven’t smeltTurn Up The Heat yet, will AMMO cover it? ---
**Author:** ![w810i](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7c8e57/32.png) [@w810i](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/w810i)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2007, 11:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girlfriend-says-tuth-instant-shine-and-a314-smell-like-sweat-how-to-cover-it/4016/15 "2007-06-07T23:11:04Z")
hmm unfortunately i’ve had a similar experience to yours.. just having the pheromones NOT work.. but i was patient and i did notice hits.. while not as outrageous as some of the members on here.. i’m happily in a relationship now haha good luck! ---
**Author:** ![smn1234](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smn1234/32/2430_2.png) [@smn1234](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smn1234)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 12:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girlfriend-says-tuth-instant-shine-and-a314-smell-like-sweat-how-to-cover-it/4016/16 "2007-06-08T00:57:30Z")
> [@Hogar](#): > > shure shure e4cs are AMAZING ear buds… too bad mine got stolen ☹ $400 down the drain ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 1:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girlfriend-says-tuth-instant-shine-and-a314-smell-like-sweat-how-to-cover-it/4016/17 "2007-06-08T01:42:12Z")
Yeah, I have the E4C (black) as well. They were $300 on Amazon last year. Nice sound but gotta stick 'em so dang far down ma ears to get decent bass. The cable is long enough to wear ma iPod on ma ankle. Coupled with my Nano they do work better than pheromones as far as getting eye contact from teenage girls. At first I thought it was the pheromones but figured they just liked my iPod/earbuds and were staring at it like I was well hung or something… My Ultimate Ears actually sound a little better–sweeter mids and deeper bass–but don’t get the looks from da babes. I guess they stick outta ma ears funny, so gotta 'pheromone up more. As far as the OP, I’d recommend starting with a simple premade mix like Ammo or PheroProof. They’re already optimized for general use and have an excellent cover scent built in. It takes many months of experimenting to tweak custom mixes so as a beginner I’d steer clear until you get your feet wet. ---
**Author:** ![pheroasian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheroasian/32/2114_2.png) [@pheroasian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pheroasian)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 5:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girlfriend-says-tuth-instant-shine-and-a314-smell-like-sweat-how-to-cover-it/4016/18 "2007-06-08T05:20:19Z")
As a NOOB myself just experimenting. I would suggest use only A314 with IS or Instant Honesty. Turn Up the Heat really need some tweaking as sometimes the only thing ended turning up is our own frustration and own heat. Or lots of [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) with TUTH to finish it off. Also reactions with those we know would not be jumping out of ordinary, it would be very subtle. Calibrating on other’s reaction at a start would be best without phero’s for a few days and really notice things around. Then start calibrating with pheros and notice the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 9:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girlfriend-says-tuth-instant-shine-and-a314-smell-like-sweat-how-to-cover-it/4016/19 "2007-06-08T09:37:59Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > hahaha > > i swear , guys wearing Turn Up The Heat around town… thinking they will catch someone … is just like meeting a girl _and without a word_ taking your pants off in front of her. > > you will see the same look on her face wearing TUTH,LOL! > > Ammo is buffered perfectly. > > GWTW, thank you for translating 🙂 Lor is PERFECTLY right… Start with a buffered solution like Ammo… ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 12:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girlfriend-says-tuth-instant-shine-and-a314-smell-like-sweat-how-to-cover-it/4016/20 "2007-06-08T12:46:04Z")
Dennis - that was an intersting reaction to the Ammo - I had not heard of something like that although W810i said he had a similar experience. Makes you wonder about the emotional status and thought process the Ammo elicited as well as the other pheromones that are in Ammo. Really some good food for thought. The Ammo scent will cover the Turn Up The Heat, which does have a slight smell to it, and any other ingredient you throw in. I do it often myself. There are two things to consider when using TUTH with Ammo which I am sure you are aware of: First is the potential risk of a 'none OD because Ammo already has some 'none in it. 3 sprays of Ammo will give you a pretty decent dose of 'none and then I understand you plan on adding TUTH to that. If you do a little research you may find some info in a post to tell you about how much 'none you could expect to get in 1 spray of Ammo. Failing that you could always try to call and ask Jasmin. I wish I could give you an idea where that OD line is (as we are both older) but I am not sure as I have always been very conservative with the 'none products so as not to OD. HINT: Mntjim may be a good person to ask or throw his experience in at this point. Gegogi is your age but due to his personal chemistry he can bathe in 'none and come out smelling like the proverbial rose. (With a little help from Issey Miyake or Burberry Weekend.) Second is what Lor refered to in this post as the context of going high but not necessarily ODing on 'none: usually the idea is to get things going - ie warming things up with an interested female - and then once you know the interest is there - then “turn up the heat” with a blast of TUTH. Some of the new users here seem to ignore that recommended use - right in the storefront website - and instead use the TUTH as an opening gambit. The young ones tend to OD and then come back saying “Women ran away and two guys tried to beat me up. What happened?” That is kinda the basis for Lor’s comments above. I have found Lor’s comments - an experienced user, deals with a lot of people every day in her job and her female perspective - to be very valuable. ---
**Author:** ![sweetsense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@sweetsense](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sweetsense)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 1:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girlfriend-says-tuth-instant-shine-and-a314-smell-like-sweat-how-to-cover-it/4016/21 "2007-06-08T13:04:20Z")
Thanks Hank, I was going use tuth because the lady is 51 (me, too) and several post suggested a higer dose of none for her, I don’t really care if it makes me invisable to other women. I just don’t want a headache or something from it. I just want her to think she’s starting to find me a little more attractive. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girlfriend-says-tuth-instant-shine-and-a314-smell-like-sweat-how-to-cover-it/4016.md?page=2)