# Girls Getting Headache from Androstenone? Or Something Else? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 17, 2007, 7:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girls-getting-headache-from-androstenone-or-something-else/6060 "2007-10-17T07:18:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![smoothplayer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@smoothplayer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smoothplayer)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 7:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girls-getting-headache-from-androstenone-or-something-else/6060/1 "2007-10-17T07:18:06Z")
Okay, so this is a little weird, and I remember noticing this a while back but never thought much of it. Anyway, I noticed it again today. This girl seemed like she got a really bad headache all of a sudden while sitting next to me, like she was taken over by some rushed feeling. Then after holding the sides of her head for a couple seconds, she starts getting really close to me, blushing, etc…you know the old signs of attraction. Anyone else notice this, with girls seeming like their head hurts? Or maybe they are just in disbelief that they all of a sudden got a sexual urge… Either way, not like I’m complaining (I don’t mind at all), but I’ve noticed this and I was wondering if there’s an explanation for it. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 7:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girls-getting-headache-from-androstenone-or-something-else/6060/2 "2007-10-17T07:34:06Z")
The first time pheros hit someone, especially if theyre not well-hydrated and/or unhealthy, a headache or other adverse reaction is likely. [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) at high dosages is a big candidate for a headache like you would not believe. ---
**Author:** ![smoothplayer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@smoothplayer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smoothplayer)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 7:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girls-getting-headache-from-androstenone-or-something-else/6060/3 "2007-10-17T07:51:40Z")
> [@MadisonTate](#): > > The first time pheros hit someone, especially if theyre not well-hydrated and/or unhealthy, a headache or other adverse reaction is likely. Instant Shine at high dosages is a big candidate for a headache like you would not believe. Oh that’s interesting. Well I guess it sucks for them in that case. The reaction was only adverse for a couple seconds though, after that it was smooth sailing. It’s still interesting how that gives them a headache or whatever. I think it could be the sudden blood rush? ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 8:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girls-getting-headache-from-androstenone-or-something-else/6060/4 "2007-10-17T08:13:51Z")
> [@smoothplayer](#): > > Oh that’s interesting. Well I guess it sucks for them in that case. The reaction was only adverse for a couple seconds though, after that it was smooth sailing. It’s still interesting how that gives them a headache or whatever. I think it could be the sudden blood rush? No. It would be the receptors being hit harder than they ever have before, possibly in ways they havent been hit before. Blood rushes cause light-headedness, not headaches. ---
**Author:** ![runnerxvr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@runnerxvr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/runnerxvr)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 12:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girls-getting-headache-from-androstenone-or-something-else/6060/5 "2007-10-17T12:33:16Z")
Hi, probably the girl never felt a such a high rate of pheros before… See ya ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 2:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girls-getting-headache-from-androstenone-or-something-else/6060/6 "2007-10-17T14:35:22Z")
Interesting information and worth knowing… ---
**Author:** ![spot007](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@spot007](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/spot007)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 11:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girls-getting-headache-from-androstenone-or-something-else/6060/7 "2007-10-17T23:28:52Z")
> [@smoothplayer](#): > > Anyway, I noticed it again today. This girl seemed like she got a really bad headache all of a sudden while sitting next to me, like she was taken over by some rushed feeling. Then after holding the sides of her head for a couple seconds, she starts getting really close to me, blushing, etc…you know the old signs of attraction. What pheros were you wearing? ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 2:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girls-getting-headache-from-androstenone-or-something-else/6060/8 "2007-10-18T02:22:37Z")
On three different occasions, I’ve gotten the “I have a headache all of a sudden” while wearing lots of -nol. Maybe, maybe not, but … ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 4:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girls-getting-headache-from-androstenone-or-something-else/6060/9 "2007-10-18T04:39:49Z")
TAA is about the worst. Large dose of it can make you feel like your skull has shrunken. ---
**Author:** ![inkling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/inkling/32/2326_2.png) [@inkling](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/inkling)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 5:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girls-getting-headache-from-androstenone-or-something-else/6060/10 "2007-10-18T05:21:51Z")
Instant shine is a headache no matter the dose amount, I can’t seem to acclimate to it either. Tater’s description of the pain is accurate, except he didn’t add the bit about brain swelling pressure in the eye area. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 5:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girls-getting-headache-from-androstenone-or-something-else/6060/11 "2007-10-18T05:29:20Z")
> [@inkling](#): > > Instant shine is a headache no matter the dose amount, I can’t seem to acclimate to it either. > > Tater’s description of the pain is accurate, except he didn’t add the bit about brain swelling pressure in the eye area. 😛 Inkling is right about that peculiar attribute. of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). Rep points for that. Have you tried P84 or P88 as a somewhat different alternative to Instant Shine? Do you have MX159 which is 12.5mcg of P88/spray ---
**Author:** ![inkling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/inkling/32/2326_2.png) [@inkling](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/inkling)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 5:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girls-getting-headache-from-androstenone-or-something-else/6060/12 "2007-10-18T05:42:43Z")
No I haven’t tried any of the putatives or many mxs yet. I was thinking of getting a 2.5 taa to see if it is the culprit and at what amount I can tolerate it. P84 and P88 do not cause a headache for you? ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 5:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girls-getting-headache-from-androstenone-or-something-else/6060/13 "2007-10-18T05:46:48Z")
No. At least not in small dosages. I also have TAA OIL on hand in hopes that i can use TAA with a smoother delivery and not feel as though my brain is holding a stick of dynamite against my skull and if i jiggle too much… I should also warn you about [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) at high dosages by itself. Another good source of headaches for me. ---
**Author:** ![inkling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/inkling/32/2326_2.png) [@inkling](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/inkling)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 5:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girls-getting-headache-from-androstenone-or-something-else/6060/14 "2007-10-18T05:54:18Z")
Thanks for the info and warning. ---
**Author:** ![smoothplayer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@smoothplayer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smoothplayer)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 5:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girls-getting-headache-from-androstenone-or-something-else/6060/15 "2007-10-18T05:56:35Z")
To answer your question, spot007, I was wearing MX203 and NPA. But I guess it was the MX203 then, since I’ve heard it contains TAA and Alpha Alpha Androstenol (plus mostly P93). Still, I’m guessing it was those other two, not the androstenone in this case…interesting. Well, it’s odd that you guys mention feeling it also, but I don’t myself. One thing I do notice, however, is that MX203 seems to give me a huge buzz. When it wears off I feel groggy, almost hungover, stuffy, etc. I do remember some slight headaches with [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) x2, but that was mostly in the beginning when I was just getting used to it. I also read somewhere that if you drink water, it should help. I remember Scent of Eros, Instant Shine, and Instant Openness all gave me this similar after-effect feeling…kind of like coming off a high. Anyway, all I know is MX203 is the shiiit. I just looove it. ---
**Author:** ![runnerxvr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@runnerxvr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/runnerxvr)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 8:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girls-getting-headache-from-androstenone-or-something-else/6060/16 "2007-10-18T08:08:46Z")
It happened to me too, on the beginning, to feel a small headache (it laster 1-2 minutes or so) with IS and IO. Now I don’t feel it anymore. With P74, [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) never had such a feeling, but AMMO still gives me problems. I found that spraying it with some TAH (less than a spray), the effect was much reduced. But I think that I also killed the AMMO effect. So, I suppose, that the feeling of those short headaches is due from the “first touch” with high concentrations of pheros. But maybe I’m all wrong… See ya!!! Franz ---
**Author:** ![DrSmellThis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b3f665/32.png) [@DrSmellThis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DrSmellThis)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2007, 1:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girls-getting-headache-from-androstenone-or-something-else/6060/17 "2007-10-19T01:26:06Z")
Please, please, people. If you are going to post about the effects of [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/), you have to put the doses and name the products you used. Otherwise your post is going to be a useless waste of everybody’s time. Sorry to be so harsh, but that’s the way it is. OK, back to headaches. Traditionally, -nol has had the reputation, in higher doses, to cause more headaches than the other basic pheromones. However, I’ve recently seen reports about that with Shine. My personal opinion is that a lot of people use too much Shine. I never use more than two sprays, and sometimes I wonder if one would be better. ---
**Author:** ![runnerxvr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@runnerxvr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/runnerxvr)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2007, 7:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girls-getting-headache-from-androstenone-or-something-else/6060/18 "2007-10-19T07:25:01Z")
I’m sorry DrSmellThis… I forgot to type the doses… Ok, for me it was always 1 x spray for each. Now I can use for all over 3 sprays and I don’t feel headaches anymore. I only suffer AMMO that I need 2-3 drops (I use a pipette with it) that I feel bad. See ya all!!! Franz ---
**Author:** ![magicj76](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/magicj76/32/1858_2.png) [@magicj76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/magicj76)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2007, 5:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girls-getting-headache-from-androstenone-or-something-else/6060/19 "2007-10-19T17:37:43Z")
My girlfriend can’t stand the smell of TUTH if applied soon before. After several hours, however, the positive effect comes… 🙂 Maybe I already produce -none ? ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2007, 11:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girls-getting-headache-from-androstenone-or-something-else/6060/20 "2007-10-19T23:31:20Z")
Hehe… I had a stripper tell me that my TUTH smelled like her bubble bath. I’d applied it RIGHT BEFORE getting a lapdance from her. This, of course, bumped it up at the top of the list for when I see her. 😃 -D4 [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/girls-getting-headache-from-androstenone-or-something-else/6060.md?page=2)