# going to start step-by-step AMMO testing **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 24, 2008, 9:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/going-to-start-step-by-step-ammo-testing/8611 "2008-01-24T21:38:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![codemax](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/codemax/32/5173_2.png) [@codemax](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/codemax)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 9:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/going-to-start-step-by-step-ammo-testing/8611/1 "2008-01-24T21:38:02Z")
so i’ve already gotten everything i ever wanted from pheromones. namely, a beautiful girlfriend who’s nuts about me 🙂 now i feel that i have to stop being stupid and get to learning the art of the phero’s. specifically, i need to do the ol’ “try one product at a time” approach. i am lacking any sort of experience due to the fact i still havent done that. that said, im gonna start with AMMO. today i am going to a pub for food and drinks, and to hang out with friends. Ms Petite GF will be present. so will the smells of delicious greasy all american foods. **The Plan.** 2xAMMO on the neck. no IS, no [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/). i would do Instant Openness, but then i realized there are going to be like 5-6 people there, so the conversation will flow naturally w/o my help. i’ll bring the to-go bottle of IO just in case 2xAMMO will scare people i already know at close range. i predict that it wont, i think i’ve handled -none pretty well in the first week already. i’ll be posting my observations if not tonight, then deff tomorrow 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![badass80](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/badass80/32/246_2.png) [@badass80](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/badass80)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 9:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/going-to-start-step-by-step-ammo-testing/8611/2 "2008-01-24T21:51:07Z")
> [@comradmax](#): > > so i’ve already gotten everything i ever wanted from pheromones. namely, a beautiful girlfriend who’s nuts about me 🙂 now i feel that i have to stop being stupid and get to learning the art of the phero’s. specifically, i need to do the ol’ “try one product at a time” approach. i am lacking any sort of experience due to the fact i still havent done that. > > that said, im gonna start with AMMO. today i am going to a pub for food and drinks, and to hang out with friends. Ms Petite GF will be present. so will the smells of delicious greasy all american foods. > > **The Plan.** 2xAMMO on the neck. no IS, no Instant Openness. i would do Instant Openness, but then i realized there are going to be like 5-6 people there, so the conversation will flow naturally w/o my help. i’ll bring the to-go bottle of Instant Openness just in case 2xAMMO will scare people i already know at close range. i predict that it wont, i think i’ve handled -none pretty well in the first week already. > > i’ll be posting my observations if not tonight, then deff tomorrow 🙂 Looking forward to your observations. 🙂 I’m still testing out my pheros. Will post my results soon too. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![codemax](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/codemax/32/5173_2.png) [@codemax](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/codemax)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2008, 3:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/going-to-start-step-by-step-ammo-testing/8611/3 "2008-01-25T15:49:02Z")
so i take a good scrubbing shower and then use 2xAMMO on my neck. i go to pick up Ms Petite and she’s in a pretty good mood. we get to the bar and meet our other friends: girl our age and a tiny little 19yo ukrainian girl. the 19yo is like a toy, very hot in that “wow, that’s deff a ukrainian girl” kinda way. instantly the older one starts to giggle around me and just acting flattering. she had a very big reaction throughout the night. at one point she wrote my name on the napkin, then drew some crap around it, i think she’s totally flabbergasted by how nice i am to Ms Petite and she prolly thinks in a good BF. the 19yo i hadnt really met before and she’s pretty shy at her age, but she seemed to eventually warm up as the night went on and paid the most attention to what i had to say. we get some food and 2 guys and a girl show up whom we were waiting for. the night goes on and our waitress is really bouncy and “wiggly” as i talk to her. she spaced out a lot and stumbled in answering simple questions like, “should i close my tab i had at the bar and just order drinks from you?” one of the guys argued with the other one about EVERYTHING. first it was the American cellphone technology, 30 seconds later it was a full blown fight about whether men should get their nails manicured, then he argued with the waitress about them not having gin on the menu, etc. he’s usually like that, but last night he took it to a new level and just wouldnt let the other guy get any words in. funny thing though, i thought he had more respect for me. as we’re leaving i went to the bathroom and as im about to pee into the urinal he kinda shakes my shoulders from behind trying to scare me. i dont enjoy men touching me in a cramped bathroom, especially as im trying to concentrate. so i yell at him, he literally jumps back and apologizes extensively, “im sorry, i didnt mean to. i wont do it again, i promise.” and all this very sincere. he was plastered at that point, and i didnt see him be polite to anyone, let alone be worried about what people thought of him. at one point i saw some former co-workers enter the bar, so i went to talk to them for maybe like 25 mins. they recently quit in light of the shady ass business deals and an acquisition by a software monster. they know all the dirty secrets because they were to high up, so i get some juicy info about what REALLY happened, not just the lies we read in the official emails. they normally like me and talk to me about these things. i told them about all the changes that’s happened since they were gone. eventually i said i had to get back to my people. they all made sure that we set up another time to meet, like for drinks or party at their house and were generally a lot more “hey, max, call us, we should hang out more and come to my party, blah blah blah.” usually they dont care, im friends with them, but im not inner circle like this. one guy surprized me as he said that he thought some comment i posted on someone’s facebook was funny. this guy is the ultimate “internet is bs, get out there and interact with real people, i hate facebook.” interesting. the 19yo’s bf called her and invited us to his house. we get there and there is like 5 guys smoking a hooka, all around 17-19. i get to talking to the guy who’s house it is. he’s an EMT and says he doesnt make any money, but he’s not doing it for that, he likes his job and the fact that he helps people. then tells me how he bought his dad an HD tv and a dvd player. then tells me again that he’s not doing his job for the money, but for the saving people’s lives part. interesting. i didnt really ask for this info. btw, he had a ferret, and the little ratty thing would stay perfectly calm and still in my arms, but anyone else, she’d try to escape, even from girls. she stuck her nose on my lip once and after that my whole face felt like it was getting shocked for the next 20 mins. no clue what that was… it was getting late, so Ms Petite and i decided to leave. that would prove to be nearly impossible. everyone i talked to at the house (owner, his brother, the girl from before that had a big reaction to me, etc) would beg us to stay. they found ways to convince us that it’ll be better if we stay a little longer, starting from the fact that it’s cold outside and ending in the fact that the EMT guy had to get up too and he wasnt complaining. 15 mins of this and we finally escape. walk home in the freezing cold. at my apt we drank some tea and went to bed because we were both tired and i really had to get up early today. we already had sex before. we started to make out and get into it, clothes came off. then it was time for the pants, she stopped me. i asked why, she was unable to provide a reason. i asked if it were that time, she said no. i asked if anything was wrong, she said no. i said, “ok, well, it’s up to you.” after much shyness she eventually tells me that she doesnt want me to do anything until she talks to some dude. this is her ex that she dated for 6 months previous to me. she tells me they just made out and never went any further. huh?? she’s 25, i find that hard to believe. especially since i know the guy and this just doesnt make sense. so her reason was that she had to talk to him first. so here is an example where logic breaks down when it enters a woman’s brain. if she wants to tell him it’s over between the 2 of them and she wants to be with me, then it shouldnt matter what i do or dont do that night. if there is a possibility that she wants to talk to him to decide if she wants him instead, then she shouldnt be wasting my time like that. should have used some [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) to get a straight answer. the only positive conclusion i can draw is that any sort of reason went out the window and i need to let her do whatever it is she wants to do and then see what happens. did i mention we already had sex? fuck it, next time (as in tonight) im using ONE spray of ammo, maybe i overdid it. i am fully aware that there is more to this than just my use of phero’s. i guess i should expect complicated relationship things as I and Ms Petite get closer and find out more about eachother. she could have actual reasons that i just cant deduce. my limited intelligence can only get me so far in terms of analyzing social interactions. ---
**Author:** ![codemax](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/codemax/32/5173_2.png) [@codemax](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/codemax)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2008, 9:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/going-to-start-step-by-step-ammo-testing/8611/4 "2008-01-26T21:46:13Z")
1xAMMO and went out with 17 russians to a sushi place. picked up Ms Petite and she seemed very interested like she missed me a lot. we had to wait for like 30 mins to get a table that big, so i got a chance to be in the middle of 6 girls to start with and more people as they arrived in the waiting area. one girl from the other night that was writing my name on a napkin was here too and she pretty much just giggled at me the whole time. one girl i’d met a long time ago and forgot her name was laughing at everything i said and she also told me where i met her. i guess she remembered me better. the other night there was another girl that i’d also met a long time ago, and she too had no problems recalling me or my name. on this subject i feel like the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) did a lot. i mean, i had met them like 1 year ago, and i deff didnt even talk to them then. i didnt see anything out of the ordinary or huge reactions all night. what i did notice is everyone kinda **listening** to me. even when others were talking and i would say something, maybe not right away, but people always came back and responded to me. as far as the gang of girls surrounding me in the beginning, some asked to sit next to me all on their own w/o me asking. several times i had to get out to use the cell and they would look me straight in the eye and just not get out of my way. these were all around my age 24-30. kinda cool, made me feel like i was getting attacked a little 🙂 generally speaking i feel like the russians have all formed this opinion of me, both girls and guys, that in a way im a leader. i noticed that people either agree with me or back down from an argument in a “to each their own” fashion. normally people argue with me to death, also everyone was arguing amongst themselves, also these are russians and we argue about everything all the time. i noticed that whenever the group had to make a decision they would easily and quietly be swayed by my input. for example, 17 people at a sushi place and we had to leave just as we got the table. some wanted to stay, some wanted to leave and the convincing went on for a few minutes back and forth. when i said we should leave, the majority stopped talking and said, “yea, listen to max, let’s go.” and we left. before i said anything it wasnt going anywhere i felt. i think i was able to provide that last straw. i have never before made more than 3 people decide in my favor by just stating my opinion. granted this wasnt too special, but i still felt like i had an edge from the phero’s. here is an example of nothing happening due to my scent. i was outside talking on the cell when everyone finally got seated. i met my other friends and walked in. at the table there were 2 girls NOT from our group, but they were russian. i guess they just happened to be at the same sushi place at the same time. no one knew them, but the smaller one of them was yelling at one of our girls sitting down. apparently someone called her “bitch” in russian as our group was sitting down, as in “this bitch (suka) is in the way”. so she’s going off and our girl is no chump either, and everyone around them is screaming, and the girl just wont leave. she was really making a too big of a deal because in colloquial russian “suka” is used almost as every other word in a sentence. im standing right next to her because i just cant get by. for like 5 minutes she’s doing the whole neck and finger wave thing and whatnot. the fight was already hot before i got there and my presence didnt affect it’s intensity. eventually it ended easily with her just saying “fuck you all, and YOU’re a slut.” if -none in AMMO makes people angry, then it didnt happen here. i was eagerly awaiting WWIII as i stood withing smelling range of all the participants, but it didnt happen. this is why we left and went to a russian restaurant instead. there i sat next to McTits from my previous story, but this time she decided to warm up to me and would complement me on my action taking attitude and just generally let me get away with some stuff. like one time i took her hand and put it right on her boobs, instead of slapping me she kept it there and then turned the twins towards me as if making sure that i saw that the hand was in the right place 🙂 the 2 guys talking to her from the other side of the table paused for an explosion and started to work up a lecture for me, but 2 sentences into how that was stupid of me, they also saw what she did and kinda reversed their position by saying, “actually, now that i think about it, can i put mine there too?” i also thought that Ms Petite, who was sitting on my other side would kill me too, but no, she was ok with it. and that’s how the whole night went on, even the waiter was eager to help. i think it’s possible that introducing ammo alone took a few gatherings to get accepted. and what i got was respect and people putting value in what i said or did. i just hope that Ms Petite is attracted to the guy in charge… ---
**Author:** ![codemax](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/codemax/32/5173_2.png) [@codemax](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/codemax)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 6:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/going-to-start-step-by-step-ammo-testing/8611/5 "2008-01-27T18:13:14Z")
put on 1xAMMO at 7 and went to the movies with 2 guys. no incidents there. a girl that was sitting next to me with her bf would make comments about the movie, but the bf was dead silent. sounded like she was talking to someone and no one at the same time. could have been the phero’s, but im not too sure. same with my 2 friends, one guy made sure we turned off the cells, but then would make comments on the movie. then we went to a karaoke bar and met up with 10 more people. the one girl that was drawing my name on a napkin before was again retardedly silly at me. kinda getting annoying because she would ask WHY i’d wanna leave with my GF early and just generally butted in somethings that normally are understood from a hint. i didnt see her do that to any other couples there. i did seem to find a very complacent target in our waitress though. Ms Petite had ordered soup, but they messed it up and by the time they found out, the kitchen had already been closed. so i was joking when i said to the waitress, “is there ANYTHING left? like a free appetizer or something?” she said she’d check, ran off and comes back with 2 free t-shirts! i wish this girl were a car dealer and i were buying a new car 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![codemax](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/codemax/32/5173_2.png) [@codemax](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/codemax)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 11:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/going-to-start-step-by-step-ammo-testing/8611/6 "2008-01-29T23:33:50Z")
i’ve been using 1xAMMO before work a few times and i’ve noticed what i would call “mild” reactions. guys im already good friends wanted to be around me more. especially when i would be talking to a female co-worker at lunch, they would sit down and talk talk talk. i’ve gotten things from them that are like guy complements. one discussion revolved around money and i said im ahead of the curve for my age. one guy gave me a very respectful reaction and said, “that’s actually what i’ve figured.” then went on to elaborate why. like all these details about me, my car, my attitude, etc. the combination of the situation and the reaction was unusual for a corporate office setting. this guy also stuck around me a lot more than usual. not like he thought i was something incredible, but like he would rather hang out with “cool” people, no matter if only marginally. i also tried 1xAMMO and 1xIS to the hair to highlight my new haircut. this is when i realized that the majority of the reactions i saw in my first week when i used Turn Up The Heat+IS was the IS, not the -none in Turn Up The Heat. these reactions are people staring at me, getting closer when answering a question, people wanting to talk to me and find out what’s so special about me. i used up a lot of the IS to-go bottle, so when i tested AMMO i didnt use IS to save it for later. this is why i didnt really see what i expected. when i used TUTH, i loved how it affected my GF. when we hugged or laid in bed she’d stick her nose in my chest and keep it there. sometimes rubbed it up and down. also the first time i got her into bed she had to sleep, but would jump on me 20 times, then 2 mins later jump off and try to go to sleep. all the time saying, “this is your fault…” the none in TUTH was deff messing with her head to the point that she couldnt control herself. i would use 2-3 sprays of TUTH and she LOVED it, no OD (at least with her). AMMO is a fine product that seems to mix the effects of TUTH, IS and [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) with a snazzy fragrance. if i have nothing else on and i wanna go to a bar and all i have is this to-go bottle, it’ll be ammo. for carefully planned use i would rather do my own thing. time to get into more custom stuff… ---
**Author:** ![bkshilo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@bkshilo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bkshilo)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2008, 7:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/going-to-start-step-by-step-ammo-testing/8611/7 "2008-02-23T19:55:31Z")
Your reports are great, tell us more. ---
**Author:** ![Piolho](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/piolho/32/2271_2.png) [@Piolho](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Piolho)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2008, 10:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/going-to-start-step-by-step-ammo-testing/8611/8 "2008-02-23T22:04:41Z")
I agree too, can’t wait to my ammo to arrive 😉 ---
**Author:** ![codemax](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/codemax/32/5173_2.png) [@codemax](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/codemax)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2008, 4:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/going-to-start-step-by-step-ammo-testing/8611/9 "2008-02-24T16:19:01Z")
unfortunately as far as ammo goes im out. i got maybe like 4 sprays left in my to-go bottle ☹ ---
**Author:** ![canuckboi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/canuckboi/32/1726_2.png) [@canuckboi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/canuckboi)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2008, 9:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/going-to-start-step-by-step-ammo-testing/8611/10 "2008-02-24T21:30:37Z")
Wow, can you say detailed? Great job. It looks like you’ll have to upgrade to the full-blown bottle of [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) now =P ---
**Author:** ![Viperxxx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/viperxxx/32/1512_2.png) [@Viperxxx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Viperxxx)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2008, 12:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/going-to-start-step-by-step-ammo-testing/8611/11 "2008-02-25T00:49:36Z")
Really good thread, keep on the good work ! 🙂