# Gonna use P83, ammo, and instant shine tonight. Advice? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 15, 2012, 7:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/gonna-use-p83-ammo-and-instant-shine-tonight-advice/55868 "2012-06-15T07:57:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![latorrin82](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f08c70/32.png) [@latorrin82](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/latorrin82)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 7:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/gonna-use-p83-ammo-and-instant-shine-tonight-advice/55868/1 "2012-06-15T07:57:48Z")
I’m going to go to a karaoke bar tonight. (Hey I like to sing lol.) I plan on using [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/), double strength ammo, and instant shine. I’m 38. Can I get some advice on good application points for it? This is my plan on dosage. 3x p83 (wrists and side of neck)12.5mg 1xAmmo (chest) 3xIS (hair) Are those good places, or should I use ammo on my wrists? Also any mixes using these three that you have tested successfully are welcome. Thanks guys! (And girls) ---
**Author:** ![lpkehr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/71e660/32.png) [@lpkehr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lpkehr)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 8:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/gonna-use-p83-ammo-and-instant-shine-tonight-advice/55868/2 "2012-06-15T08:48:27Z")
These application points are great and the amounts are fine also. I use IS on my hair all the time spreads far and leaves a nice trail since its up high and your head gets pretty warm. Keeping the [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) at only one spray is great because you have heavy Ammo and having it close to your chest will help turn her on once you pull her into close proximity. The p83 is great at 3-5 sprays if you have 12.5mcg and on the wrists will give it a longer range so it will be hitting with the IS and this should take a little edge off opening up groups of ladies. This mix should work great but you might want to take the IS in your pocket for a re-application about 3 hours in, but, play it by ear because this has a lot to do with the temp and humidity so don’t fix it if it ain’t broke! ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 9:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/gonna-use-p83-ammo-and-instant-shine-tonight-advice/55868/3 "2012-06-15T09:31:28Z")
If you are using the Ammo on your chest, do ensure that it can get at the air to diffuse - Ammo is better moderated than TUTH and IME does not benefit from clothing in the way to slow diffusion. And Karaoke can get pretty raunchy, so have some good popular songs up your sleeve, to get people dancing/grinding with you or just simply singing and dancing along. I’ve used similar mixes to great effect in Karaoke bars before! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![latorrin82](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f08c70/32.png) [@latorrin82](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/latorrin82)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 9:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/gonna-use-p83-ammo-and-instant-shine-tonight-advice/55868/4 "2012-06-15T09:55:20Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > If you are using the Ammo on your chest, do ensure that it can get at the air to diffuse - Ammo is better moderated than TUTH and IME does not benefit from clothing in the way to slow diffusion. > > And Karaoke can get pretty raunchy, so have some good popular songs up your sleeve, to get people dancing/grinding with you or just simply singing and dancing along. > > I’ve used similar mixes to great effect in Karaoke bars before! 🙂 I’m glad that I can sing really well, that always helps right out of the gate. I will take your advice mobocaster, and put the ammo right at the top of my chest, at the base of the neck, that way it’ll trickle out the top of my shirt rather than be entirely under it. I’ll write back tomorrow and report how it went! ---
**Author:** ![latorrin82](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f08c70/32.png) [@latorrin82](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/latorrin82)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 7:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/gonna-use-p83-ammo-and-instant-shine-tonight-advice/55868/5 "2012-06-19T07:54:39Z")
Okay, sorry about the delay…I’ve been busy with writing, work, and getting over a small cold, but as promised, the results of my karaoke foray. For starters, this is what I applied. 1Xammo double strength (on chest close to collar line) 3Xp83 (one on each wrist and one in hair) 1X instant shine (on wrists rubbed together) K so when we got there, it was rather dead, as I miscalculated and thought the singing started at 9pm, when it is actually 10:30. But they have cheap pbr’s, so me and my buddy sat down and drank and watched tv. (I noticed that my friend was in a really great mood, although he is always, like me, one of those positive sorts.) Regardless, I noticed the karaoke guy came over and bs’d with us, as well as some random biker dude. Not creepy or anything, just seemed friendly. Later on there were these three girls that sat on the other side of the room, with one of them (really nice body in a nice, short dress), that was singing. She kept coming by our table a lot, just walking by, stared at us a bit as she sang, and even high fived us a few times lol. I got a feeling she was a hit. Also, I noticed a couple girls sitting directly behind our table. (There is kind of one of those raised bartop things separating the bar and the table area, which is kinda recessed a little.) Didn’t really glance up there too often, just noticed it. Also noticed a few girls that sat nearby glancing over a bit throughout the night. In short, I believe I saw at least one hit. I think that if I had had IO, IH, or more IS on I may have gotten more blatant responses. (thoughts?) As I said, I am still more in the beginning stages, and experimenting with them, so any suggestions on which of those would be best would be awesome. Also, I’m not sure if I am a fan of ammo. Maybe because it’s too strong? I just seem to get more friendliness when I wear other stuff. I also have O blood, and saw something about blood types, and I guess that’s a question too. Anyway, thanks all! ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 8:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/gonna-use-p83-ammo-and-instant-shine-tonight-advice/55868/6 "2012-06-19T08:57:31Z")
More IS would be my suggestion, before you up anything else. I would usually use three or four sprays and I’d have the Ammo higher-up where it can diffuse. IME its balanced nature does not benefit from anything in the way to slow diffusion (unlike TUTH). ---
**Author:** ![lpkehr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/71e660/32.png) [@lpkehr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lpkehr)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 1:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/gonna-use-p83-ammo-and-instant-shine-tonight-advice/55868/7 "2012-06-19T13:04:48Z")
Yeah I am agreeing 100% with Mobo here. You should definitly up the IS to 3-4 sprays an maybe have some with you to re-apply throughout the night. I hardly notice the IS effects past 3 hours and once I re-ap I see obvious signs. EVERYONE wants to talk to me when I come back from the bathroom/car/anywhere I go to shine up a bit and when I get back, it’s like BAM! “Hey, you know what just happen” or “You know what I just saw” in a matter of seconds of walking in and meeting with my friends, and I would recommend you wait at least 3 hours and you also only use 2 sprays as that is all you will need the 2nd time to see a pronounced change. Now as for the Ammo, that is most probably where you were getting your stares from the ladies as it really makes you a hot stud in their eyes. If you were getting looks and high fives you have to capitalize and open these girls yourself, as the Ammo + the world will not get a beautiful girl to come open you herself unless that is in here personality, so if you see them call ANY attention to you then you need to pounce on the moment with every bit of your soul. And the more intense, animated and friendly (at the same time please) you are, the better chance you have of calling some positive attention and winning new friends and a possible SO from the interaction. Do not be afraid to open once you have any attention whatsoever as the Ammo IS p83 is geared to a real sense of acceptance from people meeting you for their first time. Show yourself as someone who exudes such positive masculinity, self-assurance, confidence, and likability, while the mix you are wearing confirms their assumption and solidifies your appearance. The fact that you are approaching them, and making them laugh is flattering for them so use this to your advantage. At the same time though, each time you get a IOI from here with no response on your part, you become weaker in here point of view since you are oblivious to her body language or aren’t sure enough of yourself to respond to it. This is confusing especially if your mones mix is working its best! As for the IH, in my short experience, I don’t think it will help you open them, but once you do open, you will get plenty of conversation and input on their part after. I imagine the IO is same since they are really geared towards stimulating social interaction. Believe me when I tell you that the ball is in your court and if you initialize, you are going to get a response like no other you have gotten before. I am especially telling you this for opening groups of friends, because they seem to have responded best to me throughout my shots with this mix. Especially at the setting you are describing; bar, social, drinking, low music, medium lighting. Just walk right over to them and shoot the shit, believe me! ---
**Author:** ![lpkehr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/71e660/32.png) [@lpkehr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lpkehr)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 1:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/gonna-use-p83-ammo-and-instant-shine-tonight-advice/55868/8 "2012-06-19T13:05:49Z")
And let us know how it goes btw! ---
**Author:** ![Made\_in\_Italy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/made_in_italy/32/459_2.png) [@Made\_in\_Italy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Made_in_Italy)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 2:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/gonna-use-p83-ammo-and-instant-shine-tonight-advice/55868/9 "2012-06-19T14:58:10Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > More IS would be my suggestion, before you up anything else. I would usually use three or four sprays and I’d have the Ammo higher-up where it can diffuse. IME its balanced nature does not benefit from anything in the way to slow diffusion (unlike TUTH). Is it possible to OD on IS? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 2:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/gonna-use-p83-ammo-and-instant-shine-tonight-advice/55868/10 "2012-06-20T02:06:57Z")
> [@Made\_in\_Italy](#): > > Is it possible to OD on IS? Not in the same way as none, no. However high-dose IS, like 6-8 sprays and upwards, particularly with topups can leave you feeling a bit burned-out and drained after a few hours. You will find more if you search for “IS crash” Some rest, good food and spacing-out any booze with electrolyte-replenishing drinks will help you offset/recover from it. 🙂