# Good -none buffers? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 30, 2009, 7:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-none-buffers/27568 "2009-03-30T19:55:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![deeddy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/deeddy/32/1779_2.png) [@deeddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/deeddy)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 7:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-none-buffers/27568/1 "2009-03-30T19:55:32Z")
For the last couple of days I was having fun playing with -none and its buffers. I’d love to hear about your experience on which pheros to use to get some good buffer effects. Please, try to stick to the pure pheros and not mixes (like Instant or MX series). From my experience, Androstenol is usually a good androstenone buffer. Feel free to contribute to the list. ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 8:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-none-buffers/27568/2 "2009-03-30T20:16:38Z")
> [@deeddy](#): > > For the last couple of days I was having fun playing with -none and its buffers. I’d love to hear about your experience on which pheros to use to get some good buffer effects. > > Please, try to stick to the pure pheros and not mixes (like Instant or MX series). > > From my experience, Androstenol is usually a good androstenone buffer. Feel free to contribute to the list. From what I remember Tisha saying I think one of the best buffers is IH which is 70:30 of beta:alpha-nols…So I’d say how about giving the betanols a go? ---
**Author:** ![diamond](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diamond/32/859_2.png) [@diamond](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diamond)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 8:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-none-buffers/27568/3 "2009-03-30T20:25:03Z")
My best -none hits have come when it’s buffered with Shine/ Honesty and IFM, I would suggest trying some straight androstedienone at around 20-mcg total and see what you get. Of course you will have to watch for the potential depressive effects as documented in some guys with IFM so have some TAA or betanol handy as Xiphoid suggests. Don’t forget to report your results 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 9:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-none-buffers/27568/4 "2009-03-30T21:19:37Z")
Not sure what you exactly mean by “buffer.” I assume you don’t mean a solution that resists changes in pH when acid or alkali is added to it. If you mean to lessen or moderate the impact of androstenone, I’ve done many things that work well. A 1:1 or 1:2 mix of androstenone and androstanone allow many of the positive effects of androstenone without strong negatives or extremes. Androtics tends to use a dominant mone and steer it with trace amounts of helper mones, e.g., A314 is 80% androsterone but has trace amounts of 16 other mones in the remaining 20%. They take a similar approach to TUTH (mainly androstenone but with a bunch of steering mones). I find I have the most success with complementary mixes rather than “buffered” mones: 1:1:1 androstenol, androstenone and androsterone is sorta the holy trinity. Rather than buffering or steering you create a well balanced mix of with a wide range of personal enhancement (social, masculine & sensual). I find TAA complements this mix well but is not absolutely necessary. ---
**Author:** ![dude](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dude/32/2011_2.png) [@dude](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dude)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 5:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-none-buffers/27568/5 "2009-03-31T05:05:44Z")
Geoggi Androstanone is hardly mentioned here or at LS. How do you describe it’s effect by itself? ---
**Author:** ![d23](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/d23/32/1465_2.png) [@d23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/d23)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 9:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-none-buffers/27568/6 "2009-03-31T09:55:08Z")
> [@dude](#): > > Geoggi Androstanone is hardly mentioned here or at LS. How do you describe it’s effect by itself? most people refer to it as -none for short ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 10:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-none-buffers/27568/7 "2009-03-31T10:17:10Z")
> [@dude](#): > > Geoggi Androstanone is hardly mentioned here or at LS. How do you describe it’s effect by itself? > [@](#): > > most people refer to it as -none for short We talk about anone all the time here. Its in most mens products. Its what TUTH is made from and AMMO. Most people dont write it out and just say “none” but there is a little forum trick for those who want the full word. Just put a… A in front of the word none (no space) and it will autmomatically spell it out for you. Same thing with the nols. Its not the same a as AndrostAnone though. The two words can through you off a little as it did to even me on first glance here 🙂 Now that that is out of the way… AndrostAnone is similar to androstenone in molecular structure, however: it demonstrates a more powerful effect than androstenone, and is more volatile, as well. It is an excellent “buffer” which tends to negate the aggressive effects of androstenone This may help some but there is not much on it. > [@AndrostAnone: looking for user experiences, and is it one of the putatives?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstanone/2646/11): > > This is pretty much all the ‘hit reports’ on AndrostAnone so far… http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/sh...t=16955&page=2& Gegogi: "Yesterday I visited a female friend (with benefits) and she was on the rag and rather depressed 'n bitchy. Normally I would have made a quick getaway but since I just tinkled myself with several drops of Androstanone, I thought I’d hang around and see what happens. Within a couple minutes she underwent a major mood transformation and became light hearted and talkati… Gegogi can fill us in on more. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![ProtoJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@ProtoJay](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ProtoJay)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 10:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-none-buffers/27568/8 "2009-03-31T10:44:19Z")
Im just wondering here though, but does more buffers IS/nols/dienone allow more -none to be used without ODing… is that the definition of a buffer? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 11:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-none-buffers/27568/9 "2009-03-31T11:01:23Z")
A buffer in the sense we are using it here is just another molecule that softens the harshness of the more harsh molecules by evoking another emotion. In mixing actual [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) its a bit more complex and they factor other things in when creating a mix. So for anone products like TUTH which come on strong something like A1 would buffer it well because it causes a feeling of comfort and ease. The anols would work well because they also cause comfort but IH seems to work better because its more connecting and comforting then IO. IO is more comforting in a happy verbal attraction sense. Where IH go’s deeper. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![dude](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dude/32/2011_2.png) [@dude](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dude)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 2:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-none-buffers/27568/10 "2009-03-31T14:46:38Z")
Is Androstanone a putative here at Androtics? From all I’ve read from both forums and some other place androstanone is a much improved version of androstenone and is hard to OD on. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 4:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-none-buffers/27568/11 "2009-03-31T16:10:45Z")
I am sure it is one of the putatives but I couldnt say which one 🆒 LOL Seriously only MH Jasmin and the lab chicks know what each putative is by chemical name. Probably Steve to but I havnt been able to nag it out of him yet LOL Tisha ---
**Author:** ![deeddy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/deeddy/32/1779_2.png) [@deeddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/deeddy)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 4:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-none-buffers/27568/12 "2009-03-31T16:46:56Z")
awesome points here! now let’s try to make a twist: if we eliminate “socials”, which pheromones would you consider being a good buffer? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 4:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-none-buffers/27568/13 "2009-03-31T16:49:53Z")
A1 is not considered a social ---
**Author:** ![deeddy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/deeddy/32/1779_2.png) [@deeddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/deeddy)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-none-buffers/27568/14 "2009-03-31T17:38:26Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > I am sure it is one of the putatives but I couldnt say which one 🆒 LOL > > Seriously only MH Jasmin and the lab chicks know what each putative is by chemical name. Probably Steve to but I havnt been able to nag it out of him yet LOL > > Tisha isn’t it p103, by any chance? anyway, let’s wait and see. i’d really love to add this thing in my next order. so, if i understand you well, A1 should be added to anone to soften it, right? it so, what would be the optimal proportion? would that decrease the possibility to OD on anone? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 5:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-none-buffers/27568/15 "2009-03-31T17:47:43Z")
Yes it could but it wouldnt be my first choose it I were mixing. You did say excluding the socials though LOL I would go with a 2 to 1 ratio of A1 to anone myself. With a social I would go 3 to 1. No its not P103 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![deeddy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/deeddy/32/1779_2.png) [@deeddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/deeddy)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 5:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-none-buffers/27568/16 "2009-03-31T17:54:47Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Yes it could but it wouldnt be my first choose it I were mixing. You did say excluding the socials though LOL i think that gives me answer to a question that keeps bothering me for the last couple of weeks… 😉 i’m sure i’ll be busy playing with it in the following period… 😃 thanks, tisha! ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 6:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-none-buffers/27568/17 "2009-03-31T18:28:17Z")
Personally I LOVE TAC as a none buffer. ---
**Author:** ![marcuccio88](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marcuccio88/32/1563_2.png) [@marcuccio88](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/marcuccio88)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 7:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-none-buffers/27568/18 "2009-03-31T19:13:01Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Personally I LOVE TAC as a none buffer. why? what does the TAC do to the effect of the none? ---
**Author:** ![deeddy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/deeddy/32/1779_2.png) [@deeddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/deeddy)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 10:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-none-buffers/27568/19 "2009-03-31T22:33:56Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Personally I LOVE TAC as a none buffer. thumbs up for you! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![tfrankz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfrankz/32/468_2.png) [@tfrankz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfrankz)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 12:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-none-buffers/27568/20 "2009-04-01T00:23:13Z")
I have read some old posts that Tac does buffer the none well also. That is why I got some but some reason I have not played with Tac that much. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-none-buffers/27568.md?page=2)