# Good starter for younger women(newbie here) **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 26, 2009, 6:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-starter-for-younger-women-newbie-here/25361 "2009-01-26T06:40:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jgrizz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/13edae/32.png) [@jgrizz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jgrizz)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 6:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-starter-for-younger-women-newbie-here/25361/1 "2009-01-26T06:40:29Z")
Hello all, newbie here and I was just curious and have some questions I’ve just came across this site and have been reading through it for hours, I think I have a good handle on what works and what doesn’t. But there seems to be a lot of ‘lingo’ I’m not familiar with (nicknames of products and other words) Anyways I’m going to give this stuff a shot. My age is 21, I’m in great shape, but am very shy when it comes to people. I think I’m intimidating to some women ( I’m 6’2 , 185 and I have a very athletic/ripped build), I think some scents would really bolster me over the top with girls, I get looks all the time - girls tell me I’m very good looking, but I just need something a little more, if you know what I mean. Just something to give me a little more confidence (my thing is I don’t think the girl is interested, but I found out they are from a friend or after time has passed they tell me how much they wanted me ect.) So what would be a good starter/combo to use to get women to feel a little more comfortable around me and to make them lust for me more?? I heard some work on older women and some on younger, I just need to know a good combo for the age group (20-28) I have the perfect test subjects- a girl I used to somewhat be involved with and her friends. I think they all had crushes on me and after me a one of them had a fling things got very awkward. One was very catty during the dating period. After i ended it for certain reason 1 of the girls are now very catty and I feel a definite bitch vibe, the one I dated I think still has feelings, and one is a gay guy(who I wouldn’t mind messing with too) and the other girl is a sweet heart who isn’t the type to have conflicts. Do you think a [pheromone](https://a314.com/) will mess with them?? I just want them all to have a strong sexual desire and I just want to give them all a big F U. I know I’m not as familiar with all this, but I just have a lot of questions, if you could give me some good starter advice and what works and what doesn’t, especially what your advice would be for the situation I described ---
**Author:** ![jamesbonded](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jamesbonded/32/2090_2.png) [@jamesbonded](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamesbonded)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 7:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-starter-for-younger-women-newbie-here/25361/2 "2009-01-26T07:16:51Z")
hi there, welcome to the forum. to get girls comfortable try ifm and ih. ifm will make them relax, comfortable and relax by your side. this makes them intimate with you. ih makes them closer with you too. they will feel like knowing you for long time. to increase the attraction, try ammo. it makes girls attracted to you. it has a mild sexual attraction too. for stronger sexual attraction, tuth is the anwer. it can turn on the girls. it is best used on girls who are already close and comfortable with you. have fun ---
**Author:** ![crashbandicoot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/crashbandicoot/32/2321_2.png) [@crashbandicoot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/crashbandicoot)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 7:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-starter-for-younger-women-newbie-here/25361/3 "2009-01-26T07:24:26Z")
you probably need some instant shine combined with nols. Please research these two things and choose. Shine is used for confidence and good mood, it brings people closer to you. Androstenol is chatty and great for conversing and building rapport and friendship. thank you bye. ---
**Author:** ![Smelly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smelly/32/918_2.png) [@Smelly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Smelly)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 4:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-starter-for-younger-women-newbie-here/25361/4 "2009-02-14T04:41:01Z")
> [@jgrizz](#): > > Do you think a pheromone will mess with them?? I just want them all to have a strong sexual desire and I just want to give them all a big F U. I don’t understand… you want them sexually, but you are also angry and want to tell them F U? Is that right? ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 7:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-starter-for-younger-women-newbie-here/25361/5 "2009-02-14T07:47:16Z")
[Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) should do a good bit of what you seem to want. Might want to throw in some IO and IS. ---
**Author:** ![pheromojo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheromojo/32/368_2.png) [@pheromojo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pheromojo)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 7:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-starter-for-younger-women-newbie-here/25361/6 "2010-10-08T07:36:28Z")
Jgrizz, it took me getting to the end of your post to realize that when you said “one is a gay guy(who I wouldn’t mind messing with too)”, you meant in his head. At first I thought you were saying you want to “MESS” with him. Lol. Nothing against gayness, but it definitely caught me off guard for a second. ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 8:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-starter-for-younger-women-newbie-here/25361/7 "2010-10-08T08:51:57Z")
> [@Smelly](#): > > I don’t understand… you want them sexually, but you are also angry and want to tell them F U? Is that right? That does sound odd. Is this all about revenge for lack of attention in the past? ---
**Author:** ![samuraitea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/samuraitea/32/1998_2.png) [@samuraitea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/samuraitea)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 2:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-starter-for-younger-women-newbie-here/25361/8 "2010-10-08T14:24:59Z")
> [@jamesbonded](#): > > hi there, > > welcome to the forum. > > to get girls comfortable try ifm and ih. > > ifm will make them relax, comfortable and relax by your side. this makes them intimate with you. > > ih makes them closer with you too. they will feel like knowing you for long time. > > to increase the attraction, try ammo. it makes girls attracted to you. it has a mild sexual attraction too. > > for stronger sexual attraction, tuth is the anwer. it can turn on the girls. it is best used on girls who are already close and comfortable with you. > > have fun IFM is longer available anymore, but the closest thing you could compt it with would be A1 found on love scent (and Dial Magnetic bodywash) but Best of luck keep posting if you have any other questions or want to share your experiences ! ---
**Author:** ![pheromojo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheromojo/32/368_2.png) [@pheromojo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pheromojo)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 5:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-starter-for-younger-women-newbie-here/25361/9 "2010-10-08T17:25:44Z")
The dial magnetic body wash has such a low concentration of A-1 that its practically like having none at all. Dial did a study where they blindfolded 10 women and had 10 men who all just showered, only 1 using the pheromone soap, and out of the 10 girls, only one picked the guy with the mones. So statistically, according to that study at least, there is absolutely NO advantage to using it. Realm cologne has some A1 in it, as they have a patent on using it with scented cologne(which is why IFM was unscented) but I’m not sure how much, or the degree of quality of the mones. I havent researched it enough to find any test results for Realm, but considering that the cologne is so cheap and pheromones are expensive to manufacture, I would guess that not much is bottled up that either. I’m really disappointed that I.F.M. is no longer in production. I was seriously looking forward to getting some A-1 too. I guess if I want it now, the love scent route is my only option… 😕 Anyone know why Androtics stopped making it? I realize there is the depression factor, but apparently thats such a small percentage of guys, that it shouldnt be an issue, I think. People know the risks they take when buying it, and couldnt the negative side effects be effectively countered with some sort of buffer, like [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/)? ---
**Author:** ![Vivid\_Boy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vivid_boy/32/2225_2.png) [@Vivid\_Boy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vivid_Boy)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 5:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-starter-for-younger-women-newbie-here/25361/10 "2010-10-08T17:50:57Z")
p83 mixed with ammo and get those girls making the move rather then you ---
**Author:** ![pheromojo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheromojo/32/368_2.png) [@pheromojo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pheromojo)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 5:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-starter-for-younger-women-newbie-here/25361/11 "2010-10-08T17:58:57Z")
Now, I’ve tried to do some studying up on [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/), but it seems like people are having mixed outcomes, as far as the what the specific effects of the putative are. What exactly does p83 do for you? ---
**Author:** ![Vivid\_Boy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vivid_boy/32/2225_2.png) [@Vivid\_Boy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vivid_Boy)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 6:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-starter-for-younger-women-newbie-here/25361/12 "2010-10-08T18:04:34Z")
well Since i Have started using my ammo IS p83 mix, It has been a new girl everytime i go out. Last week for example, I was at a friends wedding. I sat beside 2 hot south american girls who were sisters. I took one on to the dancefloor (the older one) and started dancing with her. We kissed a little and i brought her outside the hall onto the golf course and did a little more heavy making out and petting. I took her back in and went for shots. after about 20 mins she got very sick from alchol and ran into the bathroom. Her little sister (21 years old and hotter then the older sis) followed her in to make sure she was ok. The moment the older sister was out of commission, the little sister came running out of the washroom, came up to me didnt say a word and jumped on me and started making out…i brought her home. I did absolutely nothing..no game..didnt have to do anything to do the switcharoo. I found out the next day I was the big talk of the wedding lol. And I have been being called a player behind my back from everyone at that wedding…but who cares 😛 theyre just all jealous theyre no longer single 😛 ---
**Author:** ![pheromojo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheromojo/32/368_2.png) [@pheromojo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pheromojo)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 6:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-starter-for-younger-women-newbie-here/25361/13 "2010-10-08T18:08:35Z")
Well thats pretty impressive! I’ve heard a lot of people say that p83 is sexual, and a lot of people who dont think thats what it does at all. I know we cant blame the Shine for those makeout sessions, so that leaves ammo as the only other factor. Have you used it exclusively, or at least without p83? What kind of luck did you personally have there? ---
**Author:** ![Vivid\_Boy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vivid_boy/32/2225_2.png) [@Vivid\_Boy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vivid_Boy)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 6:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-starter-for-younger-women-newbie-here/25361/14 "2010-10-08T18:16:06Z")
I get alot of IOI’s with ammo alone and have had some success getting numbers. I have also OD’d playing with it. I havent tried p83 alone yet. when I used to go to clubs I would have a mix of 2-3 shots of ammo, 2 dabs of a314 and usually a social either cttm or IO or IS. When i got my p83 I heard that as a standalone its hard to detect its hits, but if you will def see its effects if you add it to a mix. So i added it to my mix and would wear my a314(2drops) my ammo 3 shots, 2 shots of p83 and IS. I saw alot of blatant in your face hits while wearing it. I capitalized on some of those and got more numbers then I usually do. But THEEEEN I read a314 tends to dillute the p83 a bit. so i dropped the a314 and kaboom, girls were just throwing themselves at me. I was getting girls coming to open for me, without me even showing interest just start making out with me after 2 mins of chatting. Its been my holy grail. I dont know if it works for everyone but right now this is working well for me, and I wont stop till I get herpes. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![pheromojo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheromojo/32/368_2.png) [@pheromojo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pheromojo)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 6:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-starter-for-younger-women-newbie-here/25361/15 "2010-10-08T18:26:09Z")
“I wont stop till I get herpes. 😛” --lol 😛 I might have to reconsider picking up some p83 then. I guess that means its back to searching the forums for anything useful on the product. I’m ordering my first [pheromones](https://a314.com/), AMMO seems like a good choice, today. However, I wanted to be able to spice it up some, and I’ve been trying to figure out if theres a better alternative to none based products like TUTH. I hope I can draw some conclusions pretty quickly! Im ready to start testing all this stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Vivid\_Boy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vivid_boy/32/2225_2.png) [@Vivid\_Boy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vivid_Boy)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 6:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-starter-for-younger-women-newbie-here/25361/16 "2010-10-08T18:42:18Z")
goodluck my man, I just realized that i didnt give you any age ideas. I am 28, the girls I have been pulling with this mix have been 20-25 yrs old. Just a heads up ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 7:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-starter-for-younger-women-newbie-here/25361/17 "2010-10-08T19:31:56Z")
> [@Vivid\_Boy](#): > > p83 mixed with ammo and **get those girls making the move rather then you** At what ratios have you found this to be true, VB? Word on the streets is **THAT AIN’T POSSIBLE** , but I say … sometimes … it’s so very POSSIBLE~! 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 9:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-starter-for-younger-women-newbie-here/25361/18 "2010-10-08T21:13:48Z")
> [@ruffinracin121](#): > > Now, I’ve tried to do some studying up on P83, but it seems like people are having mixed outcomes, as far as the what the specific effects of the putative are. What exactly does p83 do for you? What dosages have you tried with it? Did you try it as a standalone yet? ---
**Author:** ![Digital\_B](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/digital_b/32/1716_2.png) [@Digital\_B](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Digital_B)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 10:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-starter-for-younger-women-newbie-here/25361/19 "2010-10-08T22:11:08Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > What dosages have you tried with it? > > Did you try it as a standalone yet? I’m under the impression he hasn’t even ordered any Mones yet, and for that reason, I suggest he starts with the consumer line. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 10:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-starter-for-younger-women-newbie-here/25361/20 "2010-10-08T22:20:38Z")
> [@Vivid\_Boy](#): > > I get alot of IOI’s with ammo alone and have had some success getting numbers. I have also OD’d playing with it. I havent tried p83 alone yet. when I used to go to clubs I would have a mix of 2-3 shots of ammo, 2 dabs of a314 and usually a social either cttm or IO or IS. When i got my p83 I heard that as a standalone its hard to detect its hits, but if you will def see its effects if you add it to a mix. So i added it to my mix and would wear my a314(2drops) my **a\*\*\*\*mmo 3 shots, 2 shots of p83 and IS**. I saw alot of blatant in your face hits while wearing it. I capitalized on some of those and got more numbers then I usually do. But THEEEEN I read a314 tends to dillute the p83 a bit. so i dropped the a314 and kaboom, girls were just throwing themselves at me. I was getting girls coming to open for me, without me even showing interest just start making out with me after 2 mins of chatting. Its been my holy grail. I dont know if it works for everyone but right now this is working well for me, and I wont stop till I get herpes. 😛 How much IS do you use in your mix, 2 sprays as well; and what mcg per spray of **[P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/)** do you have, VBoy? Thanks! [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/good-starter-for-younger-women-newbie-here/25361.md?page=2)