# Grrooming for Men **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 4, 2007, 2:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/grrooming-for-men/6397 "2007-11-04T02:57:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Barkuti](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/barkuti/32/1622_2.png) [@Barkuti](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Barkuti)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2007, 3:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/grrooming-for-men/6397/21 "2007-11-07T03:00:40Z")
Nice thread here. Regarding nutritionals/exercising for losing or maintaining weight, some advices: - Keep moderate to low carbohidrate intake, that’s easy withdrawing from starches, breads, breakfast cereals, rice, etc; also don’t eat highly glicemic ones (no mashed potatoes, fried broad beans, beer, etc). This helps keep insulin, the anabolic hormone, under control, very important for those people who have strong insulin response to carbs. The “Zone Diet” books by Barry Sears and “Dr. Atkins’ New Diet Revolution” give a good explanation on this and many other issues. I’m a type I diabetic, I do _exactly_ know the amounts of insulin I need for the different food types, trust my advice. - Fat isn’t your enemy. You actually need to eat some fat in order to lose fat (sounds weird but works that way). Best fat types are poliunsaturated, then monounsaturated and last saturated (actually, last ones are _trans_ fats which are very unhealthy). Certain people tolerate well the “bad” fats (like me), but that’s like the people that eat bad carbs and are thinner than wires. Read the books. - Exercise: mostly aerobic (swimming, running, cycling, …) Forget about trying to get rid of local fat on certain parts of your body, it ain’t going to happen; don’t get fooled. Body fat distribution is mostly genetical, so deal with & accept it. Lose more weight or go have a liposuction (not recommended, not permanent). - As said by Habib, Chromium (increases insulin efficiency) & Iodine (thyroid booster), among others. Two or three caps of a multi-vitamin supplement will help getting all nutritional requirements adequately covered, regardless of what you do or eat a certain day. On a side note, I’m currently testing _tribulus terrestris_. It is said to increase testosterone levels and libido. Just two days of taking and so far I’m excited. This morning I went to the doctor and had new allergy tests. While I was waiting for my duties I couldn’t avoid taking a look at every girl/woman at glance. And when having the test, the nurse (a mature woman), made me horny 😮😃 . And I have reasons to think she was _feeling_ the pressure! Mmm, btw, this evening-night, after work, had some jogging around my usual route. Had some stitches so I walked a bit to get rid of them. Even despite that, I still beat my best time. 'Nuff said. Will keep testing tough. Cheers ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2007, 10:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/grrooming-for-men/6397/22 "2007-11-07T10:36:07Z")
Good tips, but might I add one that I think is very important when trying to lose some extra pounds: Weight Lifting! If you are only doing cardio you are guaranteed to lose quite a lot of muscle mass too, which ensures that you have a lower basic caloric need after the diet. Weight lifting ensures that your loss is only or mainly from fat. At the moment I’m on a diet that’s low in carbs but high in protein, doing weight lifting and some cardio in the gym. This helps greatly! ---
**Author:** ![Barkuti](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/barkuti/32/1622_2.png) [@Barkuti](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Barkuti)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2007, 7:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/grrooming-for-men/6397/23 "2007-11-07T19:26:52Z")
Hi bubblebob, Tough I can see the point you’re trying to make, let me a little explanation. You say that by not doing weight lifting of any kind you are sure to lose muscle mass, but I have to disagree. Muscle loss is the result of a mix of factors, yet aerobic exercising isn’t necessarily one of them. It is obvious that long distance athletes have little muscle mass, but they get that kind of physical structure on purpose. Any kind of extra weight, wether it is fat or muscle, is going to play against their performance, as long as they have enough power to run at their desired speed. For them the most important factor is respiratory system/cardiovascular performance against “drag”, and since extra muscle increases drag & oxygen usage that means this is going to put unnecessary strain on their resp./cardio, and therefore lose performance. You lose muscle when your nitrogen balance is negative. This happens when your protein intake is too low and/or your energy (calorie) intake is excessively low. Please note the term “low” is relative, as your metabolism becomes more and more protective with your body fat the leaner you get, so you are more likely to put your metabolism into “emergency mode” (metabolic starvation) and burn some muscle to preserve the required fat. That’s why it is so hard for bodybuilders to get their muscles well defined for competition. Conclusion: doing cardio and eating right won’t result in muscle loss. But doing anaero (weight lifting or other power exercises) will strenghthen your muscles, which also helps to get that “good looking” shape; it won’t be noticeable if you are not lean, tough. **Nutrition is the most important factor** above all factors, I can’t say this enough. Cheers ---
**Author:** ![z414a4d](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/z414a4d/32/1299_2.png) [@z414a4d](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/z414a4d)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2007, 8:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/grrooming-for-men/6397/24 "2007-11-07T20:25:30Z")
> [@Pheraoh](#): > > While I concur there is some real terrible music out there can we keep the music taste elitistism out of the discussion? I apologize if I came on a little strong about my interests. He said Heavy metal. There is only a few kinds of heavy metal…BlackCore, HardCore,GrindCore,DeathCore. All of the bands I posted fit somewhere within these four categories. A band I did forget though Was “Children of Bodom” and “The Lollipop Lust Kids” and “Arsonists get all the girls.” ---
**Author:** ![HABIB001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/habib001/32/2159_2.png) [@HABIB001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HABIB001)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2007, 10:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/grrooming-for-men/6397/25 "2007-11-07T22:12:41Z")
> [@z414a4d](#): > > He said Heavy metal. There is only a few kinds of heavy metal…BlackCore, HardCore,GrindCore,DeathCore. What the F\*\*k happened to Glam and Thrash… black who? hard what? Grind… Death\>\>\> what planet am i on now.. ---
**Author:** ![HABIB001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/habib001/32/2159_2.png) [@HABIB001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HABIB001)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2007, 10:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/grrooming-for-men/6397/26 "2007-11-07T22:15:50Z")
Here for weight loss… [Zetacap for Weight Loss](http://zetacap.discovertotalhealth.com/) ---
**Author:** ![Fra\_Septimus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/fra_septimus/32/692_2.png) [@Fra\_Septimus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Fra_Septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 12:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/grrooming-for-men/6397/27 "2007-11-08T00:01:02Z")
> [@z414a4d](#): > > There is only a few kinds of heavy metal…BlackCore, HardCore,GrindCore,DeathCore. Uh, who made this list?😕 Heavy Metal is stuff like Iron Butterfly and Led Zep, dude!😉 ---
**Author:** ![z414a4d](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/z414a4d/32/1299_2.png) [@z414a4d](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/z414a4d)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 5:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/grrooming-for-men/6397/28 "2007-11-08T05:15:10Z")
nuh uh! Thats just classic rock. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 11:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/grrooming-for-men/6397/29 "2007-11-08T11:38:37Z")
@Barkuti: I guess it has, as you said, a lot to do with the desired body and the sports you are into. I’m not striving for a rather “thin” body which is ideal for long distance running, I’d rather change myself into a lean body with decent muscular build. And I’m still convinced that I would lose muscle that my body finds rather useless while dieting - i. e. every muscle I don’t train. You know, I’ve made that mistake some years ago when I lost around 16 kg of weight. After that I weighed in at 77kg (I’m 1,84m) - that is a very good weight for someone of my height - and I still was kind of wubbely - still had a lot of fat on my belly. And I’m sure that has to do with losing muscles while dieting. I also felt really weak after the diet. Now I don’t - quite the contrary - I actually feel great and stronger than before. ---
**Author:** ![HABIB001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/habib001/32/2159_2.png) [@HABIB001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HABIB001)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 6:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/grrooming-for-men/6397/30 "2007-11-08T18:14:47Z")
Bubblebob I hear you man. i lost a lot of weight and at still got a hell of a lot on my belly i want to get rid of. Still going for it though. ---
**Author:** ![rohitiyer10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ad7895/32.png) [@rohitiyer10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/rohitiyer10)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 6:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/grrooming-for-men/6397/31 "2007-11-08T18:44:22Z")
> [@z414a4d](#): > > I concur! I got into listening to heavy metal about 4 years ago and listen to nothing but that! If anyone wants some tips/advice on some AWESOME music hit me up. If you subscribe to XM radio check out channel forty-fuckin-two (Liquid Metal aka XMLM [42]) > > Here are some HOT bands that just rock, hands down. (In no paticular order) > > Daath > Cradle of Filth > Dethklok > Gojira > Abigail Williams > FLESHGRIND > Swallow the Sun > Otep > Naglfar > Demon Hunter > Becoming the Archetype > August Burns Red > Opeth > Suicidal Tendancies > Emmure > Amon Amarth > Rwake > Cannibal Corpse > Pig Destroyer > Job for a Cowboy > As I lay Dying > Six Feet Under > Leng Tch’e > Despised Icon > Slipknot > Lamb of God > > Who else am i Missing? Just go ahead and reply, I will let you know if they any good. 😛 > > Make sure you keep a distance of at least 17 yards from anyone listening to the following: > > My Chemical Romance > HIM > Underoath > > and any bands associated with them. That looks oddly like my Itunes folder…lol another band you NEED to listen to is Sikth… and Between the Buried and me, and The Human Abstract, and Animosity, and Black Dahlia Murder… and the list goes on and on and on and on… back on topic… great post man … + reps will be given 😉 ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 7:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/grrooming-for-men/6397/32 "2007-11-08T19:25:09Z")
> [@](#): > > nuh uh! Thats just classic rock. z414a4d, find an old album called Vincebus Eruptum by Blue Cheer. Put it on the LOUDEST stereo you can find, preferably one that uses guitar amps for speakers listen to it all the way thru and then say “just”. Good thread about grooming too Habib. ---
**Author:** ![HABIB001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/habib001/32/2159_2.png) [@HABIB001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HABIB001)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 7:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/grrooming-for-men/6397/33 "2007-11-08T19:27:26Z")
> [@renny](#): > > Good thread about grooming too Habib. Thank you my friend. ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 7:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/grrooming-for-men/6397/34 "2007-11-08T19:50:24Z")
IME… what makes the greatest difference in how one looks and feels is the QUALITY of the food one ingests… most commercial food is made from low quality ingredients which have been disguised (through ingenious additives made by IFF and other food industry corporations) to taste, smell, and have “mouthfeel” like high quality food… what this means is that raw materials which are total crap for your health, and which your natural protective sensors would regect as sickening and injurious, have had special chemicals put into them (which, by USA law, they do not have to disclose as long as they are categorized as “flavorings”… look at ANY snack food item and on the label it will have the generic trerm “flavoring” without ever disclosing the chemical name or class of molecules these “flavorings” are) which confuse the health protecting funtion of the taste-smell part of the brain… so total crap is perceived as “not so bad”… in truth, there are massive differences in how garbage fat, such as rendered fats which have been extracted from byproducts of the meat processing industry, and clean, high quality fats affect the body. Same with carbohydrates and protiens… one must be very selective about the source of one’s food… ---
**Author:** ![Pheraoh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheraoh/32/857_2.png) [@Pheraoh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pheraoh)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 7:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/grrooming-for-men/6397/35 "2007-11-08T19:56:09Z")
> [@z414a4d](#): > > I apologize if I came on a little strong about my interests. He said Heavy metal. There is only a few kinds of heavy metal…BlackCore, HardCore,GrindCore,DeathCore. All of the bands I posted fit somewhere within these four categories. A band I did forget though Was “Children of Bodom” and “The Lollipop Lust Kids” and “Arsonists get all the girls.” Blackcore? That’s a new one. Most people just call it black metal. Then there’s your hardcore, Thrash metal, Glam, Death metal, Power Metal, Grindcore, and all the other sub genres I forgot. At least get your subgenres correct. CoB, there’s another good one. Seen 'em live a few times. > [@Fra\_Septimus](#): > > Uh, who made this list?😕 > > Heavy Metal is stuff like Iron Butterfly and Led Zep, dude!😉 Tee hee hee, Iron Butterfly is just people on acid that drank too much redwine and there happened to be instruments lying around. Doug Ingle drank so much red wine he couldn’t pronounce “In the Garden of Eden” hence In-na-Gadda-Di-Vida. I’d say Black Sabbath is a more accurate statement for the first Metal band. Although Iron Butterfly and Zepp helpled pave the way. Iron Maiden over Iron Butterfly anyday 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Fra\_Septimus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/fra_septimus/32/692_2.png) [@Fra\_Septimus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Fra_Septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2007, 12:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/grrooming-for-men/6397/36 "2007-11-09T00:24:07Z")
I see your Iron Maiden and raise you one Blue Cheer. ---
**Author:** ![HABIB001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/habib001/32/2159_2.png) [@HABIB001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HABIB001)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2007, 1:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/grrooming-for-men/6397/37 "2007-11-09T01:59:13Z")
Doesnt Any one listen to whitesnake any more… here i go again… ---
**Author:** ![z414a4d](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/z414a4d/32/1299_2.png) [@z414a4d](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/z414a4d)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2007, 3:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/grrooming-for-men/6397/38 "2007-11-09T03:46:44Z")
> [@rohitiyer10](#): > > That looks oddly like my Itunes folder…lol > > another band you NEED to listen to is Sikth… and Between the Buried and me, and The Human Abstract, and Animosity, and Black Dahlia Murder… and the list goes on and on and on and on… > > back on topic… great post man … + reps will be given 😉 GENIUS! Thank you very much. Those were missing, I knew there was a few i did not have up there. Slayer as well, forgot about that one. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ryan/32/1528_2.png) [@Ryan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ryan)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2007, 7:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/grrooming-for-men/6397/39 "2007-11-09T07:25:32Z")
> [@HABIB001](#): > > Doesnt Any one listen to whitesnake any more… > > here i go again… Good song, reminds me of ‘Frank the Tank’ from ‘Old School’ 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2007, 8:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/grrooming-for-men/6397/40 "2007-11-09T08:45:15Z")
Ask any of the surviving Zep members what they’d consider their old band, and I guarantee you they’d say something along the lines of “blues”. Find and read “Hammer of the Gods”](Hammer of the Gods) if you like LZ. Fascinating read. -D4 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/grrooming-for-men/6397.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/grrooming-for-men/6397.md?page=3)