# Guys, I don't understand you **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 3, 2012, 10:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-dont-understand-you/56913 "2012-10-03T22:36:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![sweetybirdy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sweetybirdy/32/1524_2.png) [@sweetybirdy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sweetybirdy)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2012, 10:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-dont-understand-you/56913/1 "2012-10-03T22:36:54Z")
I was wearing the combo of IO, IH, [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/), EST, and Shine. When I was sitting side by side at a desk with my professor during class (my TG), his knee kept touching mine (for several minutes they were touching) and sometimes even our chins touched. He didn’t move away at all. It was me who gave way for his leg room for a few times, but then somehow his knee hit mine again. Does the knee touching mean anything to a guy? Do guys normally feel something or realize the distance when their knee/ chin is touching a girl’s? We were sitting very closed that my hand accidentally hit the side of his upper thigh for a split second. I know he felt it but he didn’t move away at all. What’s your view on this kind of situation??? I don’t know if he is “accepting” it or guys just generally don’t care about the leg touching. Thank you in advance! :o btw, you can have a look of my journal for a more detailed description on the situation, there’s quite a lot happened today: [SweetyBirdy's Journal](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sweetybirdys-journal/55243) ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2012, 1:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-dont-understand-you/56913/2 "2012-10-04T01:01:43Z")
> [@sweetybirdy](#): > > **Guys, I don’t understand you** **Madam - we feel exactly the same about you gals!** 😛😃 And if its any help, IME touching knees is about the very lowest rung of the kino/ ladder - the sort of thing that can easily be excused/ignored and applied in almost all social environments without coming-on too strong. It can also be a good way of finding how much you can get into personal space without causing much offence. And yes, I would say guys are very aware of this and I am for one. Beyond the genuine occasional touches that are inevitable when you are in close proximity to someone, holding prolonged contact is a very deliberate act indeed and the occasional light touch/stroke on your thigh in return from a woman is also a pretty clear IOI - but just one touch wouldn’t be - it would need to be repeated and escallating Mind you, with IH, [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) and EST in the mix, you would have that close, tactile, uninhibited and and pleasant/comfortable/accomodating/cuddly feel about you. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![JohnM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/848f3c/32.png) [@JohnM](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnM)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2012, 1:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-dont-understand-you/56913/3 "2012-10-04T01:59:07Z")
> [@](#): > > Does the knee touching mean anything to a guy? Do guys normally feel something or realize the distance when their knee/ chin is touching a girl’s? How it feels to touch someone depends on the amount of rapport that exists. Recently I played a lot with my presence when I sat during an NLP seminar. I didn’t wear any artificial mores, but all that I emitted where natural. It was a very strong state. On the left of my I had a guy that I didn’t know, on the right of me a girl. I had both of my arms on the armrests. For a long period I chin/legs and arms touched the guy. I didn’t pay it much attention. The girl also touched me from time to time. Often I reacted to her touching by transfering my attention to her she draw away. Then I had to work again to be present in my own body and then she again decreased the distance. Over the course of the 3 hours I sat next to her that day she asked me for paper to write. Then she asked me for sharpener for her pencil. I didn’t have a sharper and instead gave her a pen. She took the pen. There was no real interaction besides the touching with the guy next to me. During that seminar I played a lot with my presence but mostly it went away mostly it went away when I focused on the other person, so I couldn’t initiate touching. Unfortunately I don’t have the same state in my daily life that I had at the seminar ☹ A few days ago I was sitting in the train next to a girl I didn’t know who was reading a book. Her arm was touching mine for around 30 seconds. Then I looked over to her. That attention immediately made her move away. > [@](#): > > We were sitting very closed that my hand accidentally hit the side of his upper thigh for a split second. I know he felt it but he didn’t move away at all. What’s your view on this kind of situation??? I don’t know if he is “accepting” it or guys just generally don’t care about the leg touching. He accepted that you touched him accidently. There no reason to hold it against another person when that person accidently touches you. Especially if the touch feels good. During a recent dance festival I wore M297. We had to change rooms to see shows. There were a lot of people who wanted through the same door and people waiting in line to get in. A girl behind me came close to me so that her right breast toughed my elbow accidentally with pressure. I didn’t react much to it expect by staying in place and not moving away. 20 seconds contacts, moving a bit and again 20 seconds contact. The contact felt good to both of us. I didn’t shift my attention to her. She consiously probably didn’t attach any meaning to it expect: “I’m trying to get as fast as possible through the door.” She probably didn’t consciously thought: “I’m pressing my breast against the elbow of a guy that I don’t know to get turned on.” People have physical contact with people that they are comfortable around. It doesn’t mean that there is a conscious decision to want to do something with the person. The better you are the more you can have physical contact without the other person having to make a conscious decision. The [pheromones](https://a314.com/) make it much easier to have physical contact with you without conscious decisions. ---
**Author:** ![sweetybirdy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sweetybirdy/32/1524_2.png) [@sweetybirdy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sweetybirdy)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2012, 1:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-dont-understand-you/56913/4 "2012-10-04T13:18:27Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > **Madam - we feel exactly the same about you gals!** 😛😃 > > And if its any help, IME touching knees is about the very lowest rung of the kino/ ladder - the sort of thing that can easily be excused/ignored and applied in almost all social environments without coming-on too strong. It can also be a good way of finding how much you can get into personal space without causing much offence. > > And yes, I would say guys are very aware of this and I am for one. Beyond the genuine occasional touches that are inevitable when you are in close proximity to someone, holding prolonged contact is a very deliberate act indeed and the occasional light touch/stroke on your thigh in return from a woman is also a pretty clear IOI - but just one touch wouldn’t be - it would need to be repeated and escallating > > Mind you, with IH, P83 and EST in the mix, you would have that close, tactile, uninhibited and and pleasant/comfortable/accomodating/cuddly feel about you. 🙂 Thanks a lot for your help Mobocaster and John 🙂 Really appreciate something from a guy’s perspective! When his knee touched mine, it was a prolonged contact for several minutes rather than series of occasional touch. Hopefully, it’s a good thing 😛 I will wear this combo again next time and let’s hope that it will something do for me 😃:o ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2012, 6:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-dont-understand-you/56913/5 "2012-10-04T18:04:06Z")
This sounds like a forbidden or at the very least compromising situation when it comes to this professor of yours. Don’t get me wrong, I’m no Jesus but don’t lead the poor bastard into temptation and potential unemployment just for the hell of it. EDIT: 😃 ---
**Author:** ![rohitiyer10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ad7895/32.png) [@rohitiyer10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/rohitiyer10)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2012, 6:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-dont-understand-you/56913/6 "2012-10-04T18:50:38Z")
Um, why not just be direct? If he responds positively then great. If not, then move on. Less time wasted, plus there are like millions of guys out there just waiting for little miss sweetybirdy! ---
**Author:** ![Apoplectic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/apoplectic/32/398_2.png) [@Apoplectic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Apoplectic)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 7:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-dont-understand-you/56913/7 "2012-10-05T07:21:19Z")
> [@rohitiyer10](#): > > Um, why not just be direct? If he responds positively then great. If not, then move on. Less time wasted, plus there are like millions of guys out there just waiting for little miss sweetybirdy! Because that typically not a woman’s MO. They would much prefer for guys to take the lead. Sounds like he has made his move. A rather conservative one, perhaps because she’s a student and he’s a professor, or perhaps he just likes to play it slow, but one nonetheless.. The ball is in your court now Sweetie. If you want this to go further sit next to him again, if you feel extra saucy initiate the knee-play yourself. If you don’t, sit far away from him. ---
**Author:** ![sweetybirdy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sweetybirdy/32/1524_2.png) [@sweetybirdy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sweetybirdy)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 7:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-dont-understand-you/56913/8 "2012-10-05T07:36:41Z")
> [@Apoplectic](#): > > Because that typically not a woman’s MO. They would much prefer for guys to take the lead. > > Sounds like he has made his move. A rather conservative one, perhaps because she’s a student and he’s a professor, or perhaps he just likes to play it slow, but one nonetheless.. > > The ball is in your court now Sweetie. If you want this to go further sit next to him again, if you feel extra saucy initiate the knee-play yourself. If you don’t, sit far away from him. Yes Apoplectic, that’s so true that most woman prefer the guys to take the lead, it’s one of the fun part of the game 😛 Thanks for your advice. I will see him today, wish me luck 😛:o ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 7:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-dont-understand-you/56913/9 "2012-10-05T07:37:31Z")
> [@Apoplectic](#): > > Sounds like he has made his move. A rather conservative one, perhaps because she’s a student and he’s a professor, or perhaps he just likes to play it slow, but one nonetheless.. > > The ball is in your court now Sweetie. If you want this to go further sit next to him again, if you feel extra saucy initiate the knee-play yourself. If you don’t, sit far away from him. Yes - and that is maybe as far as he is likely to go in a teaching environment. IMO, Sweetybirdy needs to find a way to move this out of the classroom and better still right off the campus if she wants it to go further. ---
**Author:** ![rohitiyer10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ad7895/32.png) [@rohitiyer10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/rohitiyer10)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 10:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-dont-understand-you/56913/10 "2012-10-05T10:01:40Z")
> [@Apoplectic](#): > > Because that typically not a woman’s MO. They would much prefer for guys to take the lead. > > Sounds like he has made his move. A rather conservative one, perhaps because she’s a student and he’s a professor, or perhaps he just likes to play it slow, but one nonetheless.. > > The ball is in your court now Sweetie. If you want this to go further sit next to him again, if you feel extra saucy initiate the knee-play yourself. If you don’t, sit far away from him. Want a man to take the lead? What is more powerful than having the man have the final say as to where and how long the relationship lasts? The old days were men pursue women and asks for numbers and all that crap is such weak behavior. IMO it is more empowering for women to go after what they want and in the end let the man decide where the relationship will go. That’s the kind of lead men should take. On top of that, there would be soooo much less time wasted playing ‘the game’. Just my two cents. Hope it works out for you, but in the end, if he doesn’t do anything don’t sit around and wait for him. You deserve all the great opportunities that await you if he doesn’t come around 😉! ---
**Author:** ![Apoplectic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/apoplectic/32/398_2.png) [@Apoplectic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Apoplectic)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 4:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-dont-understand-you/56913/11 "2012-10-05T16:28:21Z")
> [@rohitiyer10](#): > > Want a man to take the lead? What is more powerful than having the man have the final say as to where and how long the relationship lasts? > > The old days were men pursue women and asks for numbers and all that crap is such weak behavior. > > IMO it is more empowering for women to go after what they want and in the end let the man decide where the relationship will go. That’s the kind of lead men should take. > > On top of that, there would be soooo much less time wasted playing ‘the game’. Just my two cents. > > Hope it works out for you, but in the end, if he doesn’t do anything don’t sit around and wait for him. You deserve all the great opportunities that await you if he doesn’t come around 😉! I agree with you, but I don’t think women think like this. Women basically have a totally different operating system when it comes to this. You’re basically telling command prompt to get sudo.apk, no matter how much you want it to work, a windows program will not understand linux script. Sure it would make the game a lot easier, but that would be missing the point entirely ---
**Author:** ![tommarty920](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tommarty920/32/1273_2.png) [@tommarty920](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tommarty920)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 6:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-dont-understand-you/56913/12 "2012-10-05T18:22:58Z")
> [@Apoplectic](#): > > You’re basically telling command prompt to get sudo.apk, no matter how much you want it to work, a windows program will not understand linux script. Haha great analogy! ---
**Author:** ![sweetybirdy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sweetybirdy/32/1524_2.png) [@sweetybirdy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sweetybirdy)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 8:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-dont-understand-you/56913/13 "2012-10-05T20:55:07Z")
> [@Apoplectic](#): > > I agree with you, but I don’t think women think like this. Women basically have a totally different operating system when it comes to this. You’re basically telling command prompt to get sudo.apk, no matter how much you want it to work, a windows program will not understand linux script. > > Sure it would make the game a lot easier, but that would be missing the point entirely LOL this is a very creative+precise way to put it 😃 yea, being straight forward is the last thing on my mind. I would rather never convey my feelings to him than being rejected…especially he is kind of in my professional circle Some update, I wore the same combo except from no [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) (I forgot) The individual discussion with him today was bad. The comments were bad. I had basically no progress to show him because I got stuck. I was wearing a rather feminine top today. The distant between us was further than last couple of times and we didn’t have much eye contact. We had no body contact at all. He didn’t seem happy to see me either. Well, the whole thing makes me physically sick because of the anxiety and up and downs. I know I definitely should move onto other TGs. God helps me. ---
**Author:** ![JohnM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/848f3c/32.png) [@JohnM](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnM)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2012, 1:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-dont-understand-you/56913/14 "2012-10-06T01:39:35Z")
> [@](#): > > The individual discussion with him today was bad. Does that conversation happens somewhere where other people can see the two of you? > [@](#): > > I was wearing a rather feminine top today. The distant between us was further than last couple of times and we didn’t have much eye contact. We had no body contact at all. He didn’t seem happy to see me either. He touched you and he has no real explanation for himself as to why he touched you. Did he touch you because he’s attracted to you? Why? Is he up for professional trouble because of it? You make things complicated for him. ---
**Author:** ![Apoplectic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/apoplectic/32/398_2.png) [@Apoplectic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Apoplectic)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2012, 3:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-dont-understand-you/56913/15 "2012-10-06T03:43:29Z")
Try it again with the IS in the mix and try to get alone with him. Does he have office hours? ---
**Author:** ![sweetybirdy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sweetybirdy/32/1524_2.png) [@sweetybirdy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sweetybirdy)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2012, 8:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-dont-understand-you/56913/16 "2012-10-06T08:54:24Z")
> [@JohnM](#): > > Does that conversation happens somewhere where other people can see the two of you? > He touched you and he has no real explanation for himself as to why he touched you. Did he touch you because he’s attracted to you? Why? Is he up for professional trouble because of it? You make things complicated for him. The individual conversation always happen in the classroom while other people are working and can see us. I get your point about the complication. I don’t really hope for explicit contact (of course it would be great, but I know it’s very very likely not going to happen. But something like smile or indirect body contact will make me very happy like last couple of days. This sounds kind of silly i know.. > [@](#): > > Try it again with the IS in the mix and try to get alone with him. Does he have office hours? Yes, I will take your advise and try again with IS. It’s VERY hard to get alone with him though. He does not have office hours and doesn’t hang around on campus because he is a professional who has an outside job, which is probably his “main” job. He only appears on campus exactly when the class starts then he leaves. btw, we went back to the awkwardness yesterday again. I really don’t know why because I am sure I did my very best to stay cool and look uninterested. Don’t know if it’s because of the lack of IS yesterday or it was my feminine top (it was just a white t-shirt…) ---
**Author:** ![veramis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/848f3c/32.png) [@veramis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/veramis)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2012, 11:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-dont-understand-you/56913/17 "2012-10-06T11:15:05Z")
He might just be restraining himself, and it’s nothing about you personally. When I was younger I used to have female coworkers and teachers flirt with me and then shut me out, most likely because they thought about it and realized how unprofessional it would be. ---
**Author:** ![sweetybirdy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sweetybirdy/32/1524_2.png) [@sweetybirdy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sweetybirdy)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2012, 11:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-dont-understand-you/56913/18 "2012-10-06T11:27:56Z")
> [@veramis](#): > > He might just be restraining himself, and it’s nothing about you personally. When I was younger I used to have female coworkers and teachers flirt with me and then shut me out, most likely because they thought about it and realized how unprofessional it would be. What you said makes sense and it makes me feel better:o. I was so depressed yesterday and literally felt sick because I felt he hated my personality. Thanks a lot veramis! :o ---
**Author:** ![JohnM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/848f3c/32.png) [@JohnM](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnM)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2012, 4:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-dont-understand-you/56913/19 "2012-10-07T04:07:22Z")
> [@](#): > > Yes, I will take your advise and try again with IS. It’s VERY hard to get alone with him though. He does not have office hours and doesn’t hang around on campus because he is a professional who has an outside job, which is probably his “main” job. Maybe you need to do a bit of background research on him. Maybe there some way you can meet him while he’s in his outside job. Where does he eat lunch? > [@](#): > > But something like smile or indirect body contact will make me very happy like last couple of days. This sounds kind of silly i know.. If you do things right you can get other people do to stuff that they wouldn’t expect themselves to do. When they are at home they will however think about their actions. They will think about how the interact with you the next time they see you. > [@](#): > > I really don’t know why because I am sure I did my very best to stay cool and look uninterested. Other people are more than a machine where you can press buttons. > [@](#): > > I was so depressed yesterday and literally felt sick because I felt he hated my personality. In fiction there the popular narrative of making a deal with the devil. Pheromones gave you the power to trick the poor guy into forgetting to keep physical distance to yourself. Other people in that class might notice it. You tricked him into doing something that’s dangerous for him. Now you are reapping the fruits. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2012, 3:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-dont-understand-you/56913/20 "2012-10-08T03:13:53Z")
> [@](#): > > In fiction there the popular narrative of making a deal with the devil. Pheromones gave you the power to trick the poor guy into forgetting to keep physical distance to yourself. > > Other people in that class might notice it. You tricked him into doing something that’s dangerous for him. > Now you are reapping the fruits. Excuse me ?? She didnt trick him into anything. Pheromones do not work that way. They can not create something that doesn’t exist in a person. They do not make people lose control of there actions. The man sat next to her and bumped knees. In the context that it happened it really is not as meaningful as touching would be. > [@](#): > > Some update, I wore the same combo except from no Instant Shine (I forgot) The individual discussion with him today was bad. The comments were bad. I had basically no progress to show him because I got stuck. I was wearing a rather feminine top today. The distant between us was further than last couple of times and we didn’t have much eye contact. We had no body contact at all. He didn’t seem happy to see me either. > > Well, the whole thing makes me physically sick because of the anxiety and up and downs. I know I definitely should move onto other TGs. God helps me. > [@](#): > > What you said makes sense and it makes me feel better:o. I was so depressed yesterday and literally felt sick because I felt he hated my personality. Thanks a lot veramis! :o Sweety you need to snap out of this attitude. I am about to be harsh but only because I like you and you really need to hear this. Everything he does is not about you even when he is interacting with you. You dont know what he is thinking or how he is feeling. Maybe there was something else on his mind that made him distant. You look at him and see a cute professor you like but your forgetting he is a person with a life and problems to deal with like the rest of us. Problems that have nothing to do with you. Those thoughts are going to be part of what dictates his behavior. Pheromones wont over power those thoughts. If you go through your life thinking everybody’s moods have something to do with you your going to spend your life depressed and sick to your stomach. Not only that but you have to remember you have your own pheromones. If you go in there all needy and anxious hanging on his every move and action your putting out a clingy needy vibe pheromonally and with body language. Go to class and enjoy it. Do not let his moods or actions dictate yours. Wear your mones and back off and let it happen. If he is acting distant or moody, wont make eye contact then run to the bathroom and use some IH and when you are talking to him say something like “professor you seem distracted today, are you alright” He may say he is fine or whatever but thats not the point. The point is your creating a connection and a feeling of trust. Indicating your thinking of him as a person. If he makes bad comments on a project its not because he doesn’t like you or is being mean. Its his job to teach and he wont do you any good by just saying your work is good if it is lacking. You take it personal. Its not, its about the work not you. Hell I waxed the car the other day and my husband told me I did a horse shit job and you know what. He was right. I forgot some spots LOL Doesn’t mean he doesn’t love me it just means I did a horse shit job. Wear your mones, go to class and enjoy yourself and stop over analyzing every move the man makes. That kind of neediness is just going to smother any flame that may ignite and if it doesnt happen then remember its not always about you personally and he is just one man in a big giant world full of men. There will be others. Tisha [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-dont-understand-you/56913.md?page=2)