# Guys, I need help with a mix please **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 4, 2010, 5:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-need-help-with-a-mix-please/37507 "2010-04-04T17:11:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2010, 5:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-need-help-with-a-mix-please/37507/1 "2010-04-04T17:11:43Z")
Okay, here’s the situation. A 30 year old guy has to go to Easter at his gramma’s house, but is dreading it because his ex totally poisoned his cousins’ minds against him with totally untrue bs. And of course they’ll be there too. I say, thats all the more reason you have to go, because if you don’t, its like you’re hiding or something. Just be yourself, they will see what is real and what is not. My thoughts are, maybe a couple drops of A314, with maybe [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) or Instant Shine. I have a ton of putatives, etc, but don’t know what to use for a guy’s mix. He needs to feel confident, not dread it and try not to care what other stupid people think. And also get them back into his court (where they should have been all along, some family, huh?). I will be there too, and I’m pretty pissed at them myself, and considering whether or not to wear “war gear” myself, lol. As in a nice A314 fuck you mix or something. Any advice is welcomed! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2010, 5:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-need-help-with-a-mix-please/37507/2 "2010-04-04T17:18:29Z")
I think a strong, aggressive, but not outreaching mix is called for. Something that states his presence in undeniable terms, but also doesn’t make him “reach for it”. Supreme self confidence. I think I’d try 2-3 drops of A314 and 2.5 mcg of [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/). Then again… I haven’t ever tried that mix. I get good results from 2.5 P75 and 2.5 P75 + 1 spray TUTH 2.5 though, along those lines. Barring that, A314 @ 2-3 drops, and possibly 1-2 sprays of IJ added in also. ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2010, 5:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-need-help-with-a-mix-please/37507/3 "2010-04-04T17:29:21Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > I think a strong, aggressive, but not outreaching mix is called for. Something that states his presence in undeniable terms, but also doesn’t make him “reach for it”. Supreme self confidence. > > I think I’d try 2-3 drops of A314 and 2.5 mcg of P75. Then again… I haven’t ever tried that mix. I get good results from 2.5 P75 and 2.5 P75 + 1 spray TUTH 2.5 though, along those lines. > > Barring that, A314 @ 2-3 drops, and possibly 1-2 sprays of IJ added in also. Thanks, Catlord. I definitely have A314, and also some p75 which was 12.5 but I cut it in half, and in half again with perfumers alcohol to 3.125mcg (if thats the right way to do it. I don’t think I have TUTH or IJ anymore. For me, I’m thinking A314 with MX135 or maybe MX274. Or both. I’ve used all three together before, with good results. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2010, 5:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-need-help-with-a-mix-please/37507/4 "2010-04-04T17:38:10Z")
I think it’s dependent on exactly what the ex said about him to begin with. For example if she made claims that he was a domineering bully, then a mix that includes A314 AND [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) might just create a sense of “Yeah I can totally see him being like that” ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2010, 5:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-need-help-with-a-mix-please/37507/5 "2010-04-04T17:45:00Z")
It was more along the lines of unfaithfulness, etc, though I wouldn’t put it past her to have thrown in some “abuse” (even though he’s a super gentle (but big) guy and anyone who knows him knows this). ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2010, 6:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-need-help-with-a-mix-please/37507/6 "2010-04-04T18:04:46Z")
> [@Sillykitty](#): > > It was more along the lines of unfaithfulness, etc, though I wouldn’t put it past her to have thrown in some “abuse” (even though he’s a super gentle (but big) guy and anyone who knows him knows this). Yeah A314+IJ on a big guy? Fine mix if it’s going to escalate to an argument and you want people to back off, sit down and shut the fuck up. But it won’t help make him more believable imo. I assume you want to create a sense of “Naaaaah he couldn’t have done that, he just ain’t that type of guy” Am I correct? If so I would suggest based of other posters experiences with IG along with my own experiences with IH and Shine that those would be a good mix. Says “Solid, reliable, trustworthy, and generally likable guy” I have no experience with any of the putatives but if there’s anything that creates a sense of calm and relaxation that would be good since people might be pretty tense to start with. ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2010, 6:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-need-help-with-a-mix-please/37507/7 "2010-04-04T18:45:49Z")
True, but at the same time he mustn’t come off as “needing their approval” either. I’m all out of [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/), but I do have the p75, if I’ve diluted it correctly. Catlord suggested A314 with 2.5mcg p75 for supreme confidence, which I like the idea of. Hopefully his natural friendliness will be able to come through when he wants it to. The main thing is how he feels, that he doesn’t feel sad or dreading or uncomfortable. He needs to feel confident and not care what others think. Have fun and enjoy the visit, like he should. Stupid cousins. I think they are also a little jealous of him, because he happens to be slightly superior to them, in that he is more well-spoken, doesn’t drink as much, etc. He had not seen these cousins in years, then reunited as adults, people are different. They also didn’t have to share the gramma, until he came back on the scene. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2010, 6:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-need-help-with-a-mix-please/37507/8 "2010-04-04T18:59:11Z")
Christ has risen day and pheromonal warfare? Alpha 7 or NPA with a badass persona says fuck you in a hundred different ways! A314 is nice but, at least for me, comes off as a firm but mellow fatherly authority (do you chores son or you’re grounded for the week). ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2010, 7:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-need-help-with-a-mix-please/37507/9 "2010-04-04T19:03:57Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > Christ has risen day and pheromonal warfare? Alpha 7 or NPA with a badass persona says fuck you in a hundred different ways! A314 is nice but, at least for me, comes off as a firm but mellow fatherly authority (do you chores son or you’re grounded for the week). Lol, I don’t have any of those. But, even better, you can bring them in time, and come to Easter with us, it should be very entertaining. Big Hawaiian family and all that, lots of beer and way too much food. Bring an extra suitcase for leftovers, you won’t have to cook for a week. Or maybe even two. ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2010, 7:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-need-help-with-a-mix-please/37507/10 "2010-04-04T19:47:59Z")
I’d go with three drops of A314. Under the circumstances, it seems to me that a -none mix would be unnecessarily provocative and counter productive. I’d stay away from [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/), TUTH or IJ. I don’t think IG is strong enough – go with A314. The P75 is a good idea. I’d limit it to 1.5mcg or less, myself. You can’t go wrong with 10mcg P74 if you’ve got it. It definitely seems like the exact sort of situation that IH was designed for, maybe 3x. ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-need-help-with-a-mix-please/37507/11 "2010-04-04T19:56:25Z")
I do have p74, but my p75 is at 3.125mcg. If I add an equal amount of perfumer’s alcohol, will that cut it down properly to 1.61mcg? Then again, to .80mcg? So, A314 (for confidence and respect) + p75 (for even more confidence and respect) + p74 (for approachability)? ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2010, 8:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-need-help-with-a-mix-please/37507/12 "2010-04-04T20:47:29Z")
> [@](#): > > my p75 is at 3.125mcg. If I add an equal amount of perfumer’s alcohol, will that cut it down properly to 1.61mcg? Then again, to .80mcg? If you have 2mL of [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) at 3.125mcg, add 2mL of alcohol to create a total of 4mL at 1.5625. Add four more mL of alcohol to the 4ml of 1.5625 to create 8mL of P75 at 0.78mcg. > [@](#): > > So, A314 (for confidence and respect) + p75 (for even more confidence and respect) + p74 (for approachability)? Yes. A314 for confidence and status. P75 adds, I believe, a certain sense of self-sufficiency. Too much, in my experience, can create – in both parties – an attitude of “I don’t need you” and derail any interest in reconciliation. P74 has, amongst men, effects I like to think of as “cooperation” – as opposed to hostile confrontation. ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2010, 8:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-need-help-with-a-mix-please/37507/13 "2010-04-04T20:53:43Z")
> [@Warren](#): > > If you have 2mL of P75 at 3.125mcg, add 2mL of alcohol to create a total of 4mL at 1.5625. > > Add four more mL of alcohol to the 4ml of 1.5625 to create 8mL of P75 at 0.78mcg. Okay, good. Because once I posed a similar question to Diane, and she told me a different way, that didn’t quite make sense to me. And yes of course, 1.56, silly me, I was doing quick math in my head, math not being my best subject 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![MVKBUGATTI](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/50afbb/32.png) [@MVKBUGATTI](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MVKBUGATTI)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2010, 9:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-need-help-with-a-mix-please/37507/14 "2010-04-04T21:03:38Z")
> [@Sillykitty](#): > > Okay, here’s the situation. A 30 year old guy has to go to Easter at his gramma’s house, but is dreading it because his ex totally poisoned his cousins’ minds against him with totally untrue bs. And of course they’ll be there too. > > I say, thats all the more reason you have to go, because if you don’t, its like you’re hiding or something. Just be yourself, they will see what is real and what is not. > > My thoughts are, maybe a couple drops of A314, with maybe Instant Honesty or Instant Shine. > > I have a ton of putatives, etc, but don’t know what to use for a guy’s mix. > > He needs to feel confident, not dread it and try not to care what other stupid people think. And also get them back into his court (where they should have been all along, some family, huh?). > > I will be there too, and I’m pretty pissed at them myself, and considering whether or not to wear “war gear” myself, lol. As in a nice A314 fuck you mix or something. > > Any advice is welcomed! 🙂 Boooooooyyy! This is job a for INSTANT JERK. I’m serious. A drop or two of A314, and tell him say to himself “I wanta be free”… three times. ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 6:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-i-need-help-with-a-mix-please/37507/15 "2010-04-07T18:53:06Z")
I want to thank you guys for all your help and love trying to come up with a phero solution, and give you an update on what happened. Here’s what happened - nothing. He decided not to go, I was so pissed. Fortunately only one cousin showed up, for just a little while, and the others (older aunties, uncles and gramma, who don’t know anything about the cousins’ bs) seemed to accept my explanation that he didn’t come because he was a bit “under the weather”. But, it was definitely not all for nothing, because that time will come, and we have our weapon all ready now!! A314, p75, p74, some IH. I didn’t feel quite right about the [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/), I’m out of that anyway. Besides, I think I can probably “make” some from my assortment of putatives and cops if necessary.