# Has anyone tested The Alpha Impact, now advertised by PUA guru Ross Jeffries? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 17, 2009, 9:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-tested-the-alpha-impact-now-advertised-by-pua-guru-ross-jeffries/27156 "2009-03-17T21:15:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2009, 5:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-tested-the-alpha-impact-now-advertised-by-pua-guru-ross-jeffries/27156/21 "2009-03-23T17:54:18Z")
> [@chads](#): > > Good for you. I’m happy you found something that works. I’m not trying to discredit anybody. I even watched a couple of his videos that Steve posted links to and I’m sure his stuff does work. I have dial up so I didn’t watch them all. All I’m saying is I heard the guy say he was a Satanist once and it kind of creeped me out. That’s it. If I hadn’t heard that I would want someone to tell me that before I got too deep into his stuff. I’m not trying to convince you or anyone not to use his stuff. Just sayin’s all 🙂. I can understand why that would sound creepy. Ross jokes _a lot_. It may be a joke of some sort. That’s honestly what I found most useful about Ross’ material … his off the wall sense of humor. It’s not what he tries to sell, but it’s definitely there. When it comes to teachers of any kind, I like looking at what people _actually do_, then learning how to do that. I could care less what they’re trying to sell. Doesn’t matter. A teacher is not a carefully designed product that a marketing brochure can describe. People have too little objectivity to fully design themselves as they would an objective product such as a toaster oven, a computer, or a car. Rather, you tend to buy/learn all of the ancillary things (like humor and attitude) from a teacher. If there’s someone with a certain attitude or a certain kind of overall result in life you see them naturally achieving that you’d like, go to them. From Ross, I’d say there’s real time humor, a certain amount of do-anything attitude, and of course, a great deal of marketing skill you could learn. Unfortunately, I guess there might be a creepy aspect to Ross nowadays, as well. I haven’t looked at his material in over 12 years or so. (there weren’t any chaos magick courses back then!) All I can remember is the playful humor. Some of it dark, yes, but he was always very “light on his head”, you could say. The speed at which he could make things ridiculous was fantastic. Maybe he should’ve made a “speed humour” course. ---
**Author:** ![chads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/2acd7d/32.png) [@chads](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chads)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 3:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-tested-the-alpha-impact-now-advertised-by-pua-guru-ross-jeffries/27156/22 "2009-03-25T03:42:04Z")
> [@MHarris](#): > > I can understand why that would sound creepy. > > Ross jokes _a lot_. It may be a joke of some sort. > > That’s honestly what I found most useful about Ross’ material … his off the wall sense of humor. It’s not what he tries to sell, but it’s definitely there. > > When it comes to teachers of any kind, I like looking at what people _actually do_, then learning how to do that. I could care less what they’re trying to sell. Doesn’t matter. A teacher is not a carefully designed product that a marketing brochure can describe. People have too little objectivity to fully design themselves as they would an objective product such as a toaster oven, a computer, or a car. > > Rather, you tend to buy/learn all of the ancillary things (like humor and attitude) from a teacher. If there’s someone with a certain attitude or a certain kind of overall result in life you see them naturally achieving that you’d like, go to them. > > From Ross, I’d say there’s real time humor, a certain amount of do-anything attitude, and of course, a great deal of marketing skill you could learn. > > Unfortunately, I guess there might be a creepy aspect to Ross nowadays, as well. I haven’t looked at his material in over 12 years or so. (there weren’t any chaos magick courses back then!) All I can remember is the playful humor. Some of it dark, yes, but he was always very “light on his head”, you could say. The speed at which he could make things ridiculous was fantastic. Maybe he should’ve made a “speed humour” course. He could very well have been kidding ( I even mentioned that before). I remember some female authour was on the show after him and their segments overlapped a little. Her book was named “Golden something or other” and Ross called it “Golden Showers” then said he anchored that title to the book. I guess it worked because that is what I remember probably 10+ years later.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bonecrkr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9d8465/32.png) [@Bonecrkr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bonecrkr)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 4:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-tested-the-alpha-impact-now-advertised-by-pua-guru-ross-jeffries/27156/23 "2009-03-25T04:31:51Z")
A couple of my favorite Ross Jeffries clips: https://www.youtube.com/embed/UJwMvzp3Ntg?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque https://www.youtube.com/embed/594qAEO0xic?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque ---
**Author:** ![castlerock](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/castlerock/32/1503_2.png) [@castlerock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/castlerock)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 3:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-tested-the-alpha-impact-now-advertised-by-pua-guru-ross-jeffries/27156/24 "2009-03-25T15:32:40Z")
> [@Bonecrkr](#): > > A couple of my favorite Ross Jeffries clips: > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJwMvzp3Ntg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJwMvzp3Ntg) > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=594qAEO0xic](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=594qAEO0xic) nobody is taking that seriously. he used to be a comedy writer. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyPaper](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnypaper/32/338_2.png) [@JohnnyPaper](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyPaper)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 12:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-tested-the-alpha-impact-now-advertised-by-pua-guru-ross-jeffries/27156/25 "2009-03-26T00:22:15Z")
> [@Bonecrkr](#): > > Yes…says me. > > Or perhaps I’m wrong that Ross’s last product where he has his students wear underwear on their heads and invoke “chaos magick” in order to get girls is BS he sells to weak minded fools who don’t know any better. > > He’s a snake oil salesman. The worst of a bad lot that steals money from men who should know better…but don’t. I agree…let’s go spend thousands on a “class” to learn how to get girls…I mean it is not natural to just go get them yourself…and hey let’s spend thousands on clothes and wear goggles around our forehead and maybe throw on some other crazy bling to stand out like a sore thumb loser retard. And hey, you know what, they say the gym works too if you got some pounds you wanna lose (enter treadmill, eliptical machines, bikes)…there is no way possible the gym may make you feel better about yourself because you look better and there is no way looking and feeling better may make you feel more attractive and be more attractive to women. Indeed, most of the PUA shit is, IMO, for geeky losers that can’t get women on their own. You know I was also told to go to that stuff and never did. However, I was intrigued by the books so I read some of them. Then I was told to visit lairs…I checked out the webiste and many posts seemed as though they were talking about getting peoples wives on purpose and that type of shit…Have a little respect people! Besides that, it seems like many guys are just trying to prey on women and proliferate STDs. ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 9:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-tested-the-alpha-impact-now-advertised-by-pua-guru-ross-jeffries/27156/26 "2009-04-14T21:12:09Z")
> [@Rattlesnake](#): > > Crappola, can’t believe I wasted so much time on Pheros when all I needed was to wear my undergarments on my head…😛 Actually I don’t think wearing them on your head would work. However, I notice, if you check out the pic below, some guys seem to be really attractive to women when they wear their undies on the outside of their pants. I’m not quite ready to try it myself though… . ---
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 12:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-tested-the-alpha-impact-now-advertised-by-pua-guru-ross-jeffries/27156/27 "2009-04-15T00:04:29Z")
> [@Rbt](#): > > Actually I don’t think wearing them on your head would work. > > However, I notice, if you check out the pic below, some guys seem to be really attractive to women when they wear their undies on the outside of their pants. > > I’m not quite ready to try it myself though… > > . But dude you gotta do something with your situation. From what you say, you don’t live in the middle of nowhere. You live way out on the back edge of nowhere. I’d say the undies on the outside is gonna work for you as long as you stay away from the tighty whities. Try something in an understated earth tone. Use the small codpiece. Understated modesty is what you’re going for. You’re gonna be amazed at the hits. Women are gonna be climbin’ all over you. The policewomen that is. You do enjoy handcuffs don’t you? If this doesn’t work for you then your only option is to move to Austin when the lab moves here. Otherwise, you could be stuck in Portland forever. [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-the-changes-that-are-coming/27678](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-the-changes-that-are-coming/27678) OoohYahhh ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 12:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-tested-the-alpha-impact-now-advertised-by-pua-guru-ross-jeffries/27156/28 "2009-04-15T00:29:39Z")
um… Success is procreation… we are sidestepping and just using… some of PUA… some for fun. Ross’s material is understandable… but fucking stupid at times. If I saw a guy in a club or one of my parties I would take his ass outside and break a leg. Especially if he was messing with one of my friends, it is asinine. This is the same dumbass who was on his hands and knees chasing ladies around isn’t it? Primal my ass. ---
**Author:** ![castlerock](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/castlerock/32/1503_2.png) [@castlerock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/castlerock)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 3:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-tested-the-alpha-impact-now-advertised-by-pua-guru-ross-jeffries/27156/29 "2009-04-15T03:09:58Z")
> [@djandarial](#): > > um… > > Success is procreation… we are sidestepping and just using… some of PUA… some for fun. > > Ross’s material is understandable… but fucking stupid at times. > > If I saw a guy in a club or one of my parties I would take his ass outside and break a leg. Especially if he was messing with one of my friends, it is asinine. > > This is the same dumbass who was on his hands and knees chasing ladies around isn’t it? > > Primal my ass. what guy are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![castlerock](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/castlerock/32/1503_2.png) [@castlerock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/castlerock)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 3:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-tested-the-alpha-impact-now-advertised-by-pua-guru-ross-jeffries/27156/30 "2009-04-15T03:15:53Z")
> [@JohnnyPaper](#): > > Indeed, most of the PUA shit is, IMO, for geeky losers that can’t get women on their own. more like smarter than your average bear ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 7:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-tested-the-alpha-impact-now-advertised-by-pua-guru-ross-jeffries/27156/31 "2009-04-15T07:42:39Z")
One of the biggest problems guys and gals have when they are in a social situation is going from completely unknown to any semblance of even worth talking to in a lot of cases. There are a lot of ways to get past that. That’s why there are all these different “styles” of pickup. I notice that all these Master PUA guys seem to be a bit two-faced. In their advertising, they say one thing, and then if you call them on it they say another. Or they try to paint it as being something it’s not when they’re in the hot seat. The problem is, “How to meet women” doesn’t make they guys willing to pay for anything, and “how to get her into bed in 2.5 seconds” doesn’t make any woman feel like she can trust any man ever again. These guys are, in my opinion, damaging men in the long run by not only publicizing the techniques (TV shows, interviews, etc.) they use, but by saying one thing to men and another to women. The result is that women are concluding that pickup is _more_ of a threat, and the pyramid scheme problem pops up: if I buy RJ’s “stuff” today and spend two or three months trying it out… how many of these women are going to have seen or heard about it and then pull what I call a “bear trap”, where they see what they have identified as a threat and then simply shut down completely? You can’t have it both ways, guys. You are either learning to meet women, or you’re learning to get them into bed asap. Unfortunately, the smart women are going to be the ones who pick up on this and it won’t work anymore. And then where will you be? The solution, in my opinion, is to learn a balanced approach. First off, you need to be in it for the right reasons. Just bedding every woman you want isn’t it, unless she’s also just looking for a fling. You can’t go out there and manipulate women to use them for sex and expect good things to happen. Sure, you might get a piece, and she might fall for you, but what happens in the long run? We all become a bunch of men who are even more threatening to women because they now have to “defend against” this “new threat”? Next, you have to balance your approach between being the pig she knows you are, you dirty sex-obsessed male, and genuinely wanting to talk to her as a person. Personally, I have the motto “no expectations”. With no expectations, there is no reason to try to manipulate her into a direction she is not asking me to take her, and no hard feelings if she doesn’t want to talk. Sure, you may want to bed her. But “sniping” for it only helps perpetuate the battle of the sexes, I think. Have a willingness to appreciate her as more than a piece of meat if she can prove to you that she is more than just looks. This is a person you’re dealing with. Also… guys, be more picky. Stop sleeping with any female who will let you in. This only destroys your self respect, self esteem and self image. Set your standards to at least “average” looks. And then, demand that she be worth something more than just what sex organs she has, or what amount of money she has, or who she knows. In other words… be selective. They sure as hell are! And it’s because they are, as a whole, that they can be. That’s the power of unity. If we men would stop with the desperation and letting the wrong head drag us around half the time, we would have this power of leverage as a group too! Women as a whole, in my experience, actually prefer men who are selective, because it means that the next woman who comes along won’t just “fall on his penis by accident”. Whoops. Same reason men want a woman to be at least some sort of challenge to “get”. Even if they don’t always wan to admit it. Guys, honestly, who would you choose to date or marry? Option A, a woman who was willing to jump your bones on sight, just because you happened to be male, or Option B, a woman who made you show her that you were worth her time? I’d bet every guy who has any sense of self awareness and common sense would choose Option B, because he doesn’t want his wife to be easy for other men to “get”. Guys need to know they can respect and be proud of their chosen female before they will consider investing themselves in her long term. So what does it say about a man who is skilled at, and actively trying to get women into bed in 4-8 hours? It says to me that he’s not interested in anything else. And the typical result of that is that she gets tossed aside, and then she is hurt, and she becomes jaded and the Battle of the Sexes rages on. She is likely to turn around and hurt the next guy because she got hurt, and then he will do the same, and it’s as if we are passing mistreatment of each other this back and forth like some sort of sexless venereal disease. Not only that, but it is not good for a man to be doing things like that for his own emotional health. Treating sex like a 2 cent toy (or nothing but a business transaction) is self destructive. How can it be otherwise, when it speaks directly to what the person thinks of themselves? Sex may not mean the same thing to every man or woman, but you can bet that a person’s genuine sense of self worth will be directly tied into how easy it is to get to their gamete cells. It has to be balanced. Pickup/breaking the ice/meeting people is a good skill to have because society has screwed us royally on socializing and meeting each other. But using it to plow through her and all the rest just for sexual conquests is bad, guys… it only hurts you and your brethren in the long run. And that says nothing to what it does to the ladies. Now that I have dumped my brain in my late night rant… not sure if I’m even on topic… lol I’d like some opinions and responses from both sexes. ---
**Author:** ![flaming](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flaming/32/212_2.png) [@flaming](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flaming)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 7:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-tested-the-alpha-impact-now-advertised-by-pua-guru-ross-jeffries/27156/32 "2009-05-07T19:27:10Z")
Yeah ross was a comedy writer and he did stand-up too! He is a really Funny guy and I find him very endearing because of that… As a teacher though he appears to be come from a place of real conviction and sincerity.. He may be a materialist but he is up front about it with no apologies. You may not like him but I don’t think you can call him un-original…who else can you name that has applied NLP to pick-up? ---
**Author:** ![flaming](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flaming/32/212_2.png) [@flaming](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flaming)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 7:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-tested-the-alpha-impact-now-advertised-by-pua-guru-ross-jeffries/27156/33 "2009-05-07T19:39:59Z")
Btw oh couse that’s not me in my pic its my recent ex! Iv tried to put a differant But I’m on my Blackberry and well the browser in a btch ---
**Author:** ![flaming](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flaming/32/212_2.png) [@flaming](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flaming)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 7:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-tested-the-alpha-impact-now-advertised-by-pua-guru-ross-jeffries/27156/34 "2009-05-07T19:46:20Z")
Btw of course that’s not me in my pic its my recent ex! I’m a middle aged man… Iv tried to put a differant pic up … But I’m on my Blackberry and well the browser is a btch even with the Bold! :o I notice there have been major changes to the site and everything is not where it used to be…oh well change happens [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-tested-the-alpha-impact-now-advertised-by-pua-guru-ross-jeffries/27156.md?page=1)