# Has Anyone Used Pheromones To Take "Best Friends" To The Next Level "Lovers"?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 21, 2010, 8:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-used-pheromones-to-take-best-friends-to-the-next-level-lovers/37916 "2010-04-21T08:49:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![joel2280](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/joel2280/32/1341_2.png) [@joel2280](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/joel2280)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 8:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-used-pheromones-to-take-best-friends-to-the-next-level-lovers/37916/1 "2010-04-21T08:49:15Z")
🆒🆒 I remember growing up, I always hung out with the hottest girls.(Just friends) Now looking back, I have learned once you get locked into the friend zone its pretty hard to break out. I think of all the fun I could have had back in the day with Androdics!! lmbo!! 😃 Anyway…Has anyone used [Pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) to become more than just friends?? So lets say your BFF is some hottie, and she considers you just a friend. You squirt on a little A314 and Ammo… then “WOW”!! 😮 She starst seeing you in a different light!! 🙄🙄 I just wanna know where this stuff was when I was 17?? I would have been dangerous!! lol 🆒🆒 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 10:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-used-pheromones-to-take-best-friends-to-the-next-level-lovers/37916/2 "2010-04-21T10:48:55Z")
While pheromones do signal they do not change. If pheromones where the only aspect as to what causes attraction then I would say it could do this. Certainly in other mammals who are more instinctual in action then analytical it would work but not in humans. There would have to be existing sexual attraction and you have to break through preconditioned thoughts and responses to you by this friend. I am not saying its impossible to do. If there are underlying feelings of affection and sexual attraction in a friendship pheromones can bring those feelings to the surface but every friend dosent feel those feelings for another friend. So while anone will signal arousal that will not mean they will be aroused for you or that they will act on that arousal. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 1:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-used-pheromones-to-take-best-friends-to-the-next-level-lovers/37916/3 "2010-04-21T13:09:46Z")
I agree with Tish that changing a persons feelings is difficult to impossible once they have you categorized a certain way. However I feel that the reason most men get put into the friend zone in the first place is a failure to communicate sexuality and present themselves as a sexual being. Now this doesn’t mean introducing yourself by pointing at your crotch and whimpering. But, some flirting, and light sexual tension can communicate that you ARE in fact a sexual male. And even if you get tossed into the friend zone, that knowledge will always be in the back of her mind. Basically I’m saying that while the mones may or may not have helped in turning friends into lovers, they may have helped in avoiding the friend zone category in the first place, or at least layed the groundwork for a possible future escalation. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 4:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-used-pheromones-to-take-best-friends-to-the-next-level-lovers/37916/4 "2010-04-21T16:11:10Z")
If she sees you as a nutness eunuch moans won’t change that essential perception. They don’t create but merely enhance what’s there. So you need to keep your nads intact during the friendship without slapping them in her face. Like Tisha and the Rad wrote, there must be underlying sexual tension and affection for things to go beyond merely shopping for shoes (you guy friends love to shop for shoes, right?). Most of my GF/lovers start as friends. I really prefer getting to know them first before taking it up a notch. ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 4:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-used-pheromones-to-take-best-friends-to-the-next-level-lovers/37916/5 "2010-04-21T16:35:36Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > Most of my GF/lovers start as friends. I really prefer getting to know them first before taking it up a notch. That definitely applies to women as well. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 10:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-used-pheromones-to-take-best-friends-to-the-next-level-lovers/37916/6 "2010-04-21T22:06:34Z")
> [@](#): > > But, some flirting, and light sexual tension can communicate that you ARE in fact a sexual male. Great point… My motto is unless its a relative or a person underage you should always always create sexual tension even if your not interested. Of course with people like your boss or Judge Judy I would refrain 😃. Just create levels of tension. A higher level for those your would do and a low level for those you are not sure of. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 10:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-used-pheromones-to-take-best-friends-to-the-next-level-lovers/37916/7 "2010-04-21T22:14:50Z")
w/o pretty deep primary psychic stuff its’ hard to alchemically transform one thing into another… get past the hotness and there’s personality issues,values, levels of education, vocabularies, family dynamics, fundamental beliefs about fairness, respect, who owes who what, politics, books you’ve read, how much you should pay for a bottle of wine… ---
**Author:** ![seekingadvice](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58f4c7/32.png) [@seekingadvice](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/seekingadvice)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 10:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-used-pheromones-to-take-best-friends-to-the-next-level-lovers/37916/8 "2010-04-21T22:14:54Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Great point… > > My motto is unless its a relative or a person underage you should always always create sexual tension even if your not interested. Of course with people like your boss or Judge Judy I would refrain 😃. Just create levels of tension. A higher level for those your would do and a low level for those you are not sure of. > > Tisha I like your motto actually 😉 What happens when you’ve never created sexual tension. For a long amount of time a year or 2. How do you change that without coming off as a creep? To escalate even from nowhere (minimal touching) to more, such as hugging and so on. ---
**Author:** ![seekingadvice](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58f4c7/32.png) [@seekingadvice](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/seekingadvice)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 2:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-used-pheromones-to-take-best-friends-to-the-next-level-lovers/37916/9 "2010-04-22T02:09:57Z")
Also I would like to ---
**Author:** ![seekingadvice](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58f4c7/32.png) [@seekingadvice](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/seekingadvice)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 2:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-used-pheromones-to-take-best-friends-to-the-next-level-lovers/37916/10 "2010-04-22T14:36:12Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Great point… > > My motto is unless its a relative or a person underage you should always always create sexual tension even if your not interested. Of course with people like your boss or Judge Judy I would refrain 😃. Just create levels of tension. A higher level for those your would do and a low level for those you are not sure of. > > Tisha I like your motto actually 😉 What happens when you’ve never created sexual tension. For a long amount of time a year or 2. How do you change that without coming off as a creep? To escalate even from nowhere (minimal touching) to more, such as hugging and so on. ---
**Author:** ![mobgoblin37](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c37758/32.png) [@mobgoblin37](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobgoblin37)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 6:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-used-pheromones-to-take-best-friends-to-the-next-level-lovers/37916/11 "2011-08-26T06:00:21Z")
Yes, she will see you in another light, she will even try things to test you. My friend told me I changed and that I’m not the same person I was. I do believe when you wear TUTH and a girl gets mad like everyone says they experience, there is a slight chance it’s only a test. Me, already being friends with a girl, when she got upset with me the first time I wore TUTH, I talked down to her like I was her father. She got right on board and didn’t question me ever again for a few months. Then I quit wearing them, she started not wanting to hang out with me as much and even began flirting with my other friends in front of me. I have found that even if you are a bad date, women in general will keep giving you chances if you wear this stuff. As soon as I reapply them though, she forgets everything else and tries to get closer to me. I have been studying these effects the best I can by keeping a journal and logging unusual behaviors. A lot of my experiences have been very unusual for me considering that I’m not an impressive guy. I am not the most handsome person in the world and I am overweight and the only thing I really got is deep blue eyes and an amazing 5 o’clock shadow the women tell me. Now, what is very funny about that is this. This friend told me she only likes a certain guy, I can’t remember the exact description, but he has brown eyes and I think it was blonde hair. This is just what she expects her perfect man to look like. So after hanging out with me as I began to dumb down the pheromones a bit to gauge her reactions. She started only liking guys with blue eyes and black hair. I have blue eyes and black hair. She has suddenly changed her preference because I attracted her then un-attracted her as I call it. This is the second time I’ve noticed this with a girl. I helped my friend, he failed, but what I noticed is that the girl he was with went after a guy that exactly resembled him instead of what she told him she’s usually attracted to. I do not think this is a coincidence. My other friend, the girl I’m after is now single. She is bouncing off guys trying to get into a relationship, but they all keep turning her down even for sex. She’s trying to go back with her ex, but even she admits, she doesn’t feel it anymore and isn’t attracted to him. Now, when we first started hanging out several months ago, she was flirting with me like I would expect a girl to. She felt that she was attracted to me, but now only sees me as platonic and even called me a “brother.” Well, I had a surprise for her. Now she is confused, and is interested but afraid to cross the line. She feels attraction for me yet, thinks it’s weird and has told me she’s not attracted and is afraid to lose me as a friend but is also jealous of me talking about and to other girls. So now, what I’m gonna do is wear some ammo tomorrow night when I see her along with the usual, then I’ll slowly throw TUTH in the mix every time we hang afterward until I get her alone like several months before and escalate instead of stay away. Another thing, if you act like you’re not interested in her for sex, yet she’s getting off to you, especially when she tries to masturbate in the car while driving or in the theater hoping without her platonic sex toy noticing. Maybe it’s time to escalate. You have nothing to lose. If she gets hot and you are with her, she knows that you are the one getting her there. It’s up to you to make a move. I am now in the process of seeing how things go between her and I these next few months now that I’m actually gonna throw my game on her. ---
**Author:** ![gtw1983](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@gtw1983](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gtw1983)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 2:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-used-pheromones-to-take-best-friends-to-the-next-level-lovers/37916/12 "2011-08-26T14:51:21Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > If she sees you as a nutness eunuch moans won’t change that essential perception. They don’t create but merely enhance what’s there. So you need to keep your nads intact during the friendship without slapping them in her face. Like Tisha and the Rad wrote, there must be underlying sexual tension and affection for things to go beyond merely shopping for shoes (you guy friends love to shop for shoes, right?). > > **Most of my GF/lovers start as friends. I really prefer getting to know them first before taking it up a notch.** Thank you… I hear this quite frequently,and it totally flies in the face of the scare tactics some of the PUA’s use. Many of them would have you believe if you don’t create sexual thoughts in them immediately you are forever stuck in the ‘friend’ category. Sorry I’m just not interested in macking up with every girl I’ve just met.I don’t really care that much how high she rates on the ‘Hot babe’ scale PUA’s artists usually use to determine their targets. I’d much prefer to find out her personality and quirks,considering I’m looking for LTR material eventually and not one night stands. I had this older friend that would have seriously probably rated a 3 or 4 on the PUA physical attractiveness scale.But her personality was KILLER!!! And I wasn’t the only one that thought so either.Lots of guys felt drawn to her. ---
**Author:** ![DotCom](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dotcom/32/2152_2.png) [@DotCom](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DotCom)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 4:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-used-pheromones-to-take-best-friends-to-the-next-level-lovers/37916/13 "2011-08-26T16:03:43Z")
I also believe suddenly applying superhuman levels of pheromones one day will shock any friend because she is not used to your mone signature. If anything, she will get confused. So it’s best to apply them when you first meet a girl. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 4:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-used-pheromones-to-take-best-friends-to-the-next-level-lovers/37916/14 "2011-08-26T16:17:09Z")
I’ve posted this a while back, on my theory. > [@P51Mustang](#): > > I’ve seen a lot of guys here asking how to turn friendship into a relationship or just to escalate things further. Most of us are good people that just want and mean the best things in life. However, sometimes those qualities will automatically put us in the friend zone. Many, if not all guys have been there in that situation one way or another. The following is based off of my experiences and is in no way a guidebook or a step-by-step process to do this. > > Why we fall. > > Whether it be physical/sexual/emotional attraction, we do it because she’s someone who’s cared for us and have been there because in a female’s mind, that’s how friends are. It’s just they’re more affectionate, and that’s the thing that differentiates female friends from male friends. We can share some of our deepest emotions and feelings with female friends but can’t even share it with friends we consider family. Why is that? It’s because of that evolutionary programming we have in our head that females are the nurturers. Out of that develops attraction. > > Why they don’t. > > They see you as a friend, everything is level with them as it is with their female friends. With the exception of “male things”, everything is pretty much equal in terms of emotional and physical commitment. They can cuddle with you and their female friends, they can take them shopping and you shopping, etc. They also know that having a male friend is convenient because females will stab each other in the back for a guy any day of the week, she doesn’t have that problem with you. She has that masculine presence without having to commit to someone and having to deal with the downs of a relationship while getting a decent amount of upside potential. You just never built that type of attraction with her. > > Can these things be changed and you have a shot of having something with her? Yes. Absolutely. Is it worth possibly altering your friendship? Well that’s up to you to decide. > > First things first. There has to be some inkling of physical attraction for her. It just has to be there, 9/10 there will be, you might not be able to tell but believe me, from all the girls I’ve talked to out there, there will be some. > > You have to make changes slowly. You can suddenly be this new guy that was once doing x, and is now doing y. Or is dressing like A, but was normally dressing like B. Whatever it is you have to do things slowly in the attraction phase. You SHOULD know exactly what attracts her, because she’s probably told you and talked about guys that attract her all the time for you. You already have the keys to open the doors, you just have to pick the right one at the right moment. Whether it be getting into shape, being more alpha, opening up, being more adventurous, if its beneficial to you then do it. If changing yourself is going to lead down a path where its not good for your well being, its not worth it. No woman is ever worth ruining your life for. But if its for the positive then I would go for it, because either way you’ve made a change in yourself for the better. > > Pheromones can come in handy to help you with this. A314 or Instant Gentleman for respect, IO or IH for extroversion, AMMO or TUTH/IJ for those women who like bad boys. And so on. Whatever it is you have to do these things gradually because it is too much of a shock and won’t seem genuine to her when it comes down to it and you might just fail and lose a friend in the process. > > You have to also build up sexual tension. That’s done by very very subtle comments at first, and eventually leading up with no so subtle. I originally started talking to girls and becoming more social (when I was with the friend in question) because I’d given up on the idea that anything would ever happen. As time progressed I grew more confident and she noticed it, I even hooked her up with a friend of mine because I completely threw away all notions and just left it as us being friends. It wasn’t until she saw I was of value to other women that she realized what was under her nose the whole time, but unfortunately it was too late at that time she came around to realize. We ended up dating for a few years and things ended. She moved on and I moved on, she’s on her way to leading a happy life and getting married. If her fiance did not prohibit me from talking to her, then I know we would still be friends to this day. I’ve never turned a relationship from friendship since then, it’s only been hookups here and there with friends who understand that I wouldn’t take anything more serious with them or that they didn’t want to. They ended up seeing me as a high value person that was their friend as well. They know that the attraction that was there was great and that it was worth trying things out to see if things could progress, and if they’re mature enough, you can try that and if things don’t work out you can still keep a friend. > > Point being, it works and you have to make positive changes to your life and see yourself in a confident high valued person. The rest will just fall into place. Just know that friendships can be ruined with this and that there is no set proof that this would work, sometimes things aren’t just meant to go in that direction at all, if you keep pursuing it you still might lost that friend. Go into it with an open mind and no expectations, regardless you’ll learn something new about yourself and develop great new habits and better your own interactions with others. > [@Turning a friend into something more](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turning-a-friend-into-something-more/39840): > > I’ve seen a lot of guys here asking how to turn friendship into a relationship or just to escalate things further. Most of us are good people that just want and mean the best things in life. However, sometimes those qualities will automatically put us in the friend zone. Many, if not all guys have been there in that situation one way or another. The following is based off of my experiences and is in no way a guidebook or a step-by-step process to do this. Why we fall. Whether it be physi… ---
**Author:** ![Shaka3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@Shaka3](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Shaka3)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-used-pheromones-to-take-best-friends-to-the-next-level-lovers/37916/15 "2011-08-26T17:09:59Z")
Gtw, sounds like your older friend had pheromones on ---
**Author:** ![xjrayderx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/da6949/32.png) [@xjrayderx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xjrayderx)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-used-pheromones-to-take-best-friends-to-the-next-level-lovers/37916/16 "2011-08-26T18:07:07Z")
As others have already mentioned it is very hard to go from best friends to lovers, from personal experience possible but hard. I would say that age category can play a factor also. Jumping ladders as some might call it might be harder for teens then individuals who are far older. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 9:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-anyone-used-pheromones-to-take-best-friends-to-the-next-level-lovers/37916/17 "2011-08-27T09:22:07Z")
> [@DotCom](#): > > I also believe suddenly applying superhuman levels of pheromones one day will shock any friend because she is not used to your mone signature. If anything, she will get confused. So it’s best to apply them when you first meet a girl. No it wont. Its the same as married members who use mones around there partners. Your just evoking a new emotion or awaking it. The confusion is short lived. There are many categories of mones used here. Primers, releasers, signalers and information mones. But the mones that identify you as you are the same because you stil produce them. Using mones is like adding sugar to your tea. Its still tea even if it tastes different and takes you a minute to figure it out. Tisha