# Has EOW gotten better? **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 30, 2009, 5:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-eow-gotten-better/30268 "2009-06-30T17:20:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Sunbubbles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/35a633/32.png) [@Sunbubbles](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sunbubbles)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 5:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-eow-gotten-better/30268/1 "2009-06-30T17:20:17Z")
Ok so since I have been around for the last few months, I was just wondering whats the update on the EOW cops? Have they put out better and stronger batches yet, or is it still crappy?? Is there a good substitute? Somebody fill me in pretty please!!šŸ˜ƒ ETA; One more question, I just went to the site. Is there no full size bottles of MX135 availiable? Or do I have to special order it? ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 6:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-eow-gotten-better/30268/2 "2009-06-30T18:49:57Z")
i use the oil version of EoW. it doesnt vary, it isnt better or worse. the pros: it stays close and works well with oil-based scents the cons: it stays close and you cant mix it in anything. im not a fan of adding EoW to mixes. they get funny. when a better cop comes along and your fab mix already contains EoW, you have to re-order the mix. if you still cant get MX135, my opinion is mixing ISexi B and one of the sunshine or [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) fun mixes would yield a similar result. looking forward to hearing Diane or Tishaā€™s input on this one. ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 9:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-eow-gotten-better/30268/3 "2009-06-30T21:49:06Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > i use the oil version of EoW. > it doesnt vary, it isnt better or worse. > > the pros: it stays close and works well with oil-based scents > the cons: it stays close and you cant mix it in anything. > > im not a fan of adding EoW to mixes. > they get funny. > > when a better cop comes along and your fab mix already contains EoW, you have to re-order the mix. > > if you still cant get MX135, > > my opinion is mixing ISexi B and one of the sunshine or P74 fun mixes would yield a similar result. > > looking forward to hearing Diane or Tishaā€™s input on this one. MX135 is the kitchen sink mix, and one of the better womenā€™s formulation to come out. It has just about everything in it. I donā€™t think [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) or liquid sunshine compares for the star quality and vip attraction of MX135. My suggestion is to contact Androtics and ask for a big bottle. Iā€™m certain if they can provide it, they will. Diane ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 7:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-eow-gotten-better/30268/4 "2009-07-01T07:01:07Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > i use the oil version of EoW. > it doesnt vary, it isnt better or worse. > > the pros: it stays close and works well with oil-based scents > the cons: it stays close and you cant mix it in anything. > > im not a fan of adding EoW to mixes. > they get funny. > > when a better cop comes along and your fab mix already contains EoW, you have to re-order the mix. > > if you still cant get MX135, > > my opinion is mixing ISexi B and one of the sunshine or P74 fun mixes would yield a similar result. > > looking forward to hearing Diane or Tishaā€™s input on this one. When you say oil based is that the roll on version or is that the one with the dropper? I was considering putting some in my mix (I have the dropper version) but now Iā€™m rethinking it. ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 7:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-eow-gotten-better/30268/5 "2009-07-01T07:02:39Z")
I gotta say the EOW works just fine, at least for me. Even at 2 drops it creates some of the best nights šŸ˜‰ I know, itā€™s sad about MX135 not being in a big bottle. Very very sad ā˜¹ ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 7:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-eow-gotten-better/30268/6 "2009-07-01T07:50:30Z")
Hey Lor, Mx135 has 8 mones in it coming in at a total mone content of 53mcg per spray. Its TAH and TAA heavy with TAF TAL P79 [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) and anol. The eighth mone may or may not be P74. While I am not in love with the chocolitini scent it does have a big effect on how this one works in my opinion. We always been able to get it in the large bottle. Not sure why that has changed in the store. Maybe they are low on a certain molecule or maybe its a policy change I am unaware of. Best bet is to send Jasmin a PM and ask and see what she says. She may take some time to get back to you because she has been mega busy but she will. I will try to find out as well because I like the big bottle myself. I have plenty to tide me over though. I agree you can get a similar effect with IS/B and P74, I would just add TAA to that to come closer. EOW, I have both the oil and the original and they work fine for me. Sometimes the dosage varies from bottle to bottle but thatā€™s about the only problem I have had with it. I spike some of my mixes but only with a tiny bit. If I want a stronger reaction I just wear it neat. This makes my mixes more versatile I like the using a tip that Diane mentioned for mixing. Instead of mixing all your mones in one bottle and possibly ruining them if it doesnā€™t work out just get a empty to-go bottle and spray your dosages of each molecule you want into it to make three or four applications. You have to do it carefully but you waste a lot less and can have all your molecules in the same bottle. There are some alternatives out there that are working for me some of which I cant mention here. The sample Terry sent me from a company in cally works great but its just easier to buy EOW and the roll ons and it works for me so I stick with it. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Sunbubbles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/35a633/32.png) [@Sunbubbles](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sunbubbles)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 12:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-eow-gotten-better/30268/7 "2009-07-01T12:06:48Z")
Thanks for the help! I think I wanna give EOW a try, I just wasnt sure about how the quality has been lately. So I think I definitely need a bottle of that IS/B. Ive already got IS/A, (thinkin it would fit me better, but alas I think not! LOL) a spray or so around the face certainly does help though! Thanks guys! ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 12:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-eow-gotten-better/30268/8 "2009-07-01T12:40:31Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Hey Lor, > > Mx135 has 8 mones in it coming in at a total mone content of 53mcg per spray. Its TAH and TAA heavy with TAF TAL P79 P83 and anol. The eighth mone may or may not be P74. While I am not in love with the chocolitini scent it does have a big effect on how this one works in my opinion. When did they add [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) to this? This is all I could find: > [@MX257 P104 Its a hit !!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx257-p104-its-a-hit/5430/13): > > September 6, 2007 > > Hey Tish > > The MX series is a series of pheromonal mixes. Some of these mixes can have 1 phero with fragrance, some can have 24 pheromones with fragrance. > > MX254-5 and MX256-7 are only ONE putative, P104, mixed with scent. We wanted to get an idea of what P104 does before we mix it. > > MX135 is a gigantic mix, not just TAH. Itā€™s a massive mix of P79, TAA, TAH, TAF, TAL, Androstenol, pretty much everything and the kitchen sink went in there. 53 mcg doesnā€™t sound like a gigantic mix to me šŸ˜ƒ. Iā€™ve only used the grapefruit scent, and it works fine for me. Iā€™ve never tried the chocatini, though. Diane ---
**Author:** ![Sunbubbles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/35a633/32.png) [@Sunbubbles](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sunbubbles)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 1:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-eow-gotten-better/30268/9 "2009-07-01T13:17:20Z")
> [@happykitsune](#): > > I gotta say the EOW works just fine, at least for me. **Even at 2 drops it creates some of the best nights** šŸ˜‰ > > I know, itā€™s sad about MX135 not being in a big bottle. Very very sad ā˜¹ Do you apply yours neat and cover w/ other pheros? Or do you mix it to make something like Bubblegum cops? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 1:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-eow-gotten-better/30268/10 "2009-07-01T13:45:27Z")
> [@](#): > > When did they add [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) to this? This is all I could find: As far as I know its always been there since the release, I dont know what quantity is in there though. Its what I have in my notes. I do recall it was in the mens section and being surprised by it. I will have to try to find it. I have also talked to them in the past about MX135 so it could be notes from that. > [@](#): > > 53 mcg doesnā€™t sound like a gigantic mix to me I know I laughed when you had mentioned the Kitchen sink quote from Jasmin because some of your mixes are way more gigantic LOL, At the time of Jassy posting it was a gigantic mix for the women here though. The Ladies section and their exploration into trying and reporting on new molecules has come a long way since then. Which is why it is disappointing not to see more ladies mixes being introduced. I used to ask for new mixes all the time for the ladies section and was told the women didnā€™t try or report on new putatives enough. ā€œGet them to do that and we will make mixes for themā€ I did but still no new mixes. Oh well, we are all bright and savvy ladies here so we will just have to do it ourselves. We should come up with a recipe thread with just recipes for our creations. This way we can have them all in one spot to play with. > [@](#): > > Iā€™ve only used the grapefruit scent, and it works fine for me. Iā€™ve never tried the chocatini, though. I have all three and in my opinion the chocolitini works best but the other two are good. I think its more of a diffusion thing. The chocolitini has amazing diffusive properties with tons of silage. Only problem is its hard to use other scents with it and it can be a little cloying. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 1:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-eow-gotten-better/30268/11 "2009-07-01T13:55:53Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > As far as I know its always been there since the release, I dont know what quantity is in there though. Its what I have in my notes. I do recall it was in the mens section and being surprised by it. I will have to try to find it. I have also talked to them in the past about MX135 so it could be notes from that. > > I know I laughed when you had mentioned the Kitchen sink quote from Jasmin because some of your mixes are way more gigantic LOL, At the time of Jassy posting it was a gigantic mix for the women here though. The Ladies section and their exploration into trying and reporting on new molecules has come a long way since then. Which is why it is disappointing not to see more ladies mixes being introduced. I used to ask for new mixes all the time for the ladies section and was told the women didnā€™t try or report on new putatives enough. ā€œGet them to do that and we will make mixes for themā€ I did but still no new mixes. Oh well, we are all bright and savvy ladies here so we will just have to do it ourselves. We should come up with a recipe thread with just recipes for our creations. This way we can have them all in one spot to play with. > > I have all three and in my opinion the chocolitini works best but the other two are good. I think its more of a diffusion thing. The chocolitini has amazing diffusive properties with tons of silage. Only problem is its hard to use other scents with it and it can be a little cloying. > > Tisha Ah, gotcha! Back when I was testing MX135 I always covered with Pink Sugar. I guess all that vanilla made a difference. Yeah, my mixes can be very heavy on the betanol and meo-est and est. But if you look at the other components, they are usually pretty low in mcgā€™s. And for daily wear I leave off the heavy betanol, because I donā€™t want to walk around like Iā€™m listening to angels or somethingā€¦ LOL. I never had any luck layering consumer products. I know a lot of ladies do it and it works fine for them. On me it all just seems to get muddy. Diane ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 2:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-eow-gotten-better/30268/12 "2009-07-01T14:10:17Z")
i mistakenly thought the sunshine mixes had TAA and p74. im sure one of the womenā€™s p74 mixes have to to have TAA in it. bet if i huffed them all right now i could tellā€¦šŸ˜ƒ i meant the roll-on oil when i was refering to the EoW,not the dropper. i dont get any diffusion from oil-based [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) mixes. not much reaction at all (good self-effects though) but the EoW seems to be just fine. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 3:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-eow-gotten-better/30268/13 "2009-07-01T15:04:17Z")
> [@](#): > > I never had any luck layering consumer products. I know a lot of ladies do it and it works fine for them. On me it all just seems to get muddy I know what you mean. Yesterday I made that mistake. I layered four consumers and I could tell it was a bit much but it was to late. I had a meeting and I was already running late. It seemed to work fine but I was uncomfortable the whole time. I try to use one or two consumer or experimental mixes then work around that with the single putatives and experimones. For the recipe thread I was thinking just mixes of single molecules though not layering mixes. You have a lot of good recipes we can add to that. > [@](#): > > Ah, gotcha! Back when I was testing MX135 I always covered with Pink Sugar. I guess all that vanilla made a difference. I used pink sugar to cover to or some other foody scent but in summer foody scents donā€™t appeal to me and I like the grapefruit. > [@](#): > > I leave off the heavy betanol, because I donā€™t want to walk around like Iā€™m listening to angels or somethingā€¦ LOL. Snort, šŸ˜ƒ > [@](#): > > i mistakenly thought the sunshine mixes had TAA and p74. This is from my notes ā€¦ What we know for sure because either Jasmin or Michael has posted on it. The liquid sunshine series ā€¦Has Taa and heavy anol. Does not contain anone or P79. Dancing joker had mentioned he felt there was some anone, P79 and P83 in the higher numbers which is why we were getting a more sexual response. Michael responded to him that there was no P79 in it but he didnā€™t deny or confirm P83. My guess and **this is just a guess** on the sunshine series Alpha [Androstenol](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) [Taa](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/) [Tah](https://pheromonelabs.com/) [Tac](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-c/) and some other [putative](https://a314.com/) It could have [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) in it and that would be my first guess, I donā€™t know but I also donā€™t know if MX135 has P74 in it for sure but it could. MX274 has TAA and P74 though. > [@](#): > > i dont get any diffusion from oil-based pheromone mixes. > not much reaction at all (good self-effects though) > but the EoW seems to be just fine. I have diffusion problems with oils to. In the winter its useless to use them here but in the warmer months I have better luck. I have to use a lot more then I would the spray or alcohol versions of any mone product in a oil base. Thatā€™s why when I make something in oil I go much higher on the mone concentration. You just have to to see results. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![msselva](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/msselva/32/943_2.png) [@msselva](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/msselva)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 9:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-eow-gotten-better/30268/14 "2009-07-01T21:10:33Z")
I would say that eow has gotten a bit better. I only need to use around 5-6 drops from my latest bottle which is good (back then I had to use about 11-16 drops to get results and Iā€™m just 20)ā€¦and the latest bottle is so stinky (which is even better lol, even though I donā€™t like smelling like crap, but a girlā€™s got to do what a girlā€™s got to do!). ā€¦ Tisha, talking about oils. Was it difficult to get a reaction from things like LAM, mx216ā€¦etc? A friend sent me LAM in 20X cops but usually itā€™s either a hit or a miss. Somedays I wouldnā€™t get any reaction even when I try hard to see any hitsā€¦and on other days when I literally sweat, I get blatant hits. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 11:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-eow-gotten-better/30268/15 "2009-07-01T23:14:31Z")
No Lam has a ton of copulins in it already and with 20X it works great at least for me. In the winter I just needed more. MX216 was great but I did have some diffusion issues with it but I mainly use it on the hubby so thats fine because we are generally in close contact. The trick with oil is to apply were you know heat will be created the most. Behind ears and cleveage are the best spots for me. If I am wearing shorts or a skirt then inner thighs are good. Then I add some to the neck and inner elbows for good measure Tisha ---
**Author:** ![ladyofthewoods](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ladyofthewoods/32/1288_2.png) [@ladyofthewoods](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ladyofthewoods)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 11:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/has-eow-gotten-better/30268/16 "2009-07-01T23:39:37Z")
I just got my bottle of EOW today. And yes, it is very stinky.