# Hate the self effects

**URL:** <https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hate-the-self-effects/58846>\
**Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\
**Created:** [April 25, 2013, 2:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hate-the-self-effects/58846 "2013-04-25T14:37:46Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 3\
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**Author:** ![jbtlong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a587f6/32.png) [@jbtlong](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jbtlong)\
**Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 2:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hate-the-self-effects/58846/1 "2013-04-25T14:37:46Z")

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I love wearing cologne everyday but I hate the effect of [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/), it always has a draining effect on me, I have never not been tired after a314 and summer ammo makes me too relaxed, instant shine I don’t want to talk about the crash either. Any suggestions? Like application points or something? I hate applying it and then I’m not around people for a stretch of time because of the self effects, anyway any ideas?

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**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\
**Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 3:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hate-the-self-effects/58846/2 "2013-04-25T15:06:53Z")

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If you don’t get on with pheros and further flung app points like the back of your neck or wrists/forearms don’t help, then stopping using them altogether and looking at other ways of changing your behaviour/situation is the next step.

Don’t persist with anything that does not do you good. AD’s refund policy is excellent.

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**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 12:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hate-the-self-effects/58846/3 "2013-04-26T00:53:01Z")

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Unless your wearing massive amounts pheromones shouldn’t do that. Except in the case of Ishine which has a more caffeine effect pheromone crashes generally don’t happen until after prolonged daily use. By prolonged I mean months.

My guess is your getting this reaction so quickly because your neurotransmitters are depleted already perhaps due to poor diet, inadequate hydration, not enough sleep and stress.

Stop using mones for a while and find yourself a good amino acid supplement, make sure your hydrated with water (not other drinks) and if your under stress find something that helps you with that then maybe revisit using mones and see if that helps.

Tisha