# Having trouble, thinking i should use pheromones again **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 29, 2010, 12:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/having-trouble-thinking-i-should-use-pheromones-again/37369 "2010-03-29T00:20:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![LTDshred](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ltdshred/32/1416_2.png) [@LTDshred](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LTDshred)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 12:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/having-trouble-thinking-i-should-use-pheromones-again/37369/1 "2010-03-29T00:20:14Z")
Well, I just conquered my approach anxiety and I manage to get numbers easy. However, I don’t have that extra push to get women attracted to me. I’ve tried NLP, pheromones, mystery method, and I seem to fail at all that. However, I tried natural game and it seems to be getting me more success and it helped me conquer AA. I dress up and I look good, but I don’t have that extra push. Now the reason I left pheromones was that it didn’t work out like I hoped, but now that I’m approaching girls, I think I should give it another shot. I have seemed to now solve this comfort problem I had. With all that being said, I have kino, comfortability, eye contact, and body language in my game. However, I don’t seem to be getting to that final push where I can k-close instead of number-close. Does pheromones at this point sound like a good idea? I have AMMO, [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/), and CTTM2, all about a year old or so. What do you guys think? ---
**Author:** ![seekingadvice](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58f4c7/32.png) [@seekingadvice](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/seekingadvice)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 1:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/having-trouble-thinking-i-should-use-pheromones-again/37369/2 "2010-03-29T01:15:08Z")
Definitely, take advantage of those. Make sure you use that ammo. Did you find your sweet spots? If you did, I would recommend trying all 3 separately. Then try combining them, such as : [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) + IS, Ammo + CTTM2, IS + CTTM2, Ammo + CTTM2 + IS, and see how you do. Since you said you are having trouble going that extra step trying to get them attracted to you..I would suggest that the ammo will be a great help. If they are attracted in the first place (ammo), that saves all that extra effort then doesn’t it? lol, try it out, see how you do. ---
**Author:** ![conundrum12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/46a35a/32.png) [@conundrum12](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/conundrum12)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 1:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/having-trouble-thinking-i-should-use-pheromones-again/37369/3 "2010-03-29T01:29:41Z")
I’d try 1 ammo and 1 shine. i find io decreases the attraction somewhat and makes things more friend-like ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 4:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/having-trouble-thinking-i-should-use-pheromones-again/37369/4 "2010-03-29T04:22:58Z")
> [@LTDshred](#): > > Well, I just conquered my approach anxiety and I manage to get numbers easy. However, I don’t have that extra push to get women attracted to me. I’ve tried NLP, pheromones, mystery method, and I seem to fail at all that. However, I tried natural game and it seems to be getting me more success and it helped me conquer AA. I dress up and I look good, but I don’t have that extra push. Now the reason I left pheromones was that it didn’t work out like I hoped, but now that I’m approaching girls, I think I should give it another shot. I have seemed to now solve this comfort problem I had. > > With all that being said, I have kino, comfortability, eye contact, and body language in my game. However, I don’t seem to be getting to that final push where I can k-close instead of number-close. Does pheromones at this point sound like a good idea? I have AMMO, Instant Shine, and CTTM2, all about a year old or so. > > What do you guys think? If you goal is to kiss close in bars a woman has to feel a very strong instant attraction to you right from the start. In my opinion, the best way to make yourself attractive to women in this way is to add some raw masculinity to your vibe. I’d try one spray of instant Jerk if you can handle the Androstenone levels in the product. Another option is TUTH which has less Androstenone but has steering molecules that make it more sexual. TUTH is communicating in your [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) signature that you are ready to get busy. That will help your chances of a kiss close if the woman is attracted to you. But it has the potential to creep out women who are not attracted to you. Depending on your base pheromone signature you may have to use some of your CTTM2 along with the Androstenone to get the reaction you want. Everyone’s base pheromone signature is different so some experimentation may be necessary. ---
**Author:** ![snorida45x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5f9b8f/32.png) [@snorida45x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/snorida45x)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 6:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/having-trouble-thinking-i-should-use-pheromones-again/37369/5 "2010-03-29T06:29:50Z")
To me it seems like you are hooking most of your sets and they generally find you attractive but they are not quite comfortable enough to kiss you. I’m just curious, when you do try and go in for the kiss close what usually happens? How much kino do you use? Maybe you need to build a bit more comfort with your “target” before you try and kiss her. With that being said, I would absolutely recommend TUTH combined with some socials for your situation. That should help to steer things in a more sexual direction and assist you with kino. However, as metalTree said, if the girl is not attracted to you then it could be a bit creepy. Maybe try applying TUTH after the girl is already attracted to you and you have moved into comfort. If you want to take a less risky approach try combining some Ammo with IS. It will be less sexual, but if your kino is calibrated correctly, you should be able to get the kiss close. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 7:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/having-trouble-thinking-i-should-use-pheromones-again/37369/6 "2010-03-29T07:45:42Z")
> [@](#): > > However, I don’t seem to be getting to that final push where I can k-close instead of number-close. Many women–even if they’re strongly attracted to you–don’t want to “k-close.” They gave you their number and want to get to know you and see what the hell. If she wants it fine. However, to some it’s too intimate for a casual meeting and can actually be a turn-off or insulting. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 11:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/having-trouble-thinking-i-should-use-pheromones-again/37369/7 "2010-03-29T11:45:56Z")
> [@snorida45x](#): > > Maybe try applying TUTH after the girl is already attracted to you and you have moved into comfort. If you want to take a less risky approach try combining some Ammo with IS. It will be less sexual, but if your kino is calibrated correctly, you should be able to get the kiss close. Actually, AMMO + IS is pretty sexual for some asian or other conservative girls… depends on who u are going for; besides you don’t have to kiss close the first night. It might actually backfire with “buyer’s remorse;” Don’t be afraid to take time; just not too much 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 4:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/having-trouble-thinking-i-should-use-pheromones-again/37369/8 "2010-03-29T16:29:37Z")
I’d just work the Ammo + Ishine Remember that to K-close a girl when you’ve just met her is ALWAYS a risk. Unless the girl is WRECKED you will almost never get a crystal clear signal that she is ready for you to land one on her. Sometimes you have to just take the chance that you’ll go in for a kiss and she’ll pull back. In doing so you’ll gain confidence (which is the most powerful tool of seduction any man can have in his arsenal). I’ve personally had more complete blow-outs than I really care to remember - I learnt about pick-up after I entered my current LTR and yet I was still relatively successful at it. When I look back, I was most successful on the nights where my confidence was beyond through the roof. The night of my first ONS I had at least two girls tell me “I was too smooth for my own good”, I had a girl run away from me after I tripped when we were dancing and bailed into a couch (apparently it was quite the sight), my buddies were talking to this group of girls on a couch (I had been off getting told I was too smooth) I walked up and told my one buddy he was doing it wrong (he looks at me confused), I tell the girl he was sitting beside to get up (she does), I sit in her spot and pull her down onto my lap and said “This is how your supposed to be sitting” (I wasn’t around when my buddies met the girls, she had no clue who I was other than some dude talking to the guys her and her friends just met)… I left again but when I came back she was sitting on his lap. A little while later I noticed a little cutie on the dance floor, walked up, grabbed her hand and told her she was going to dance with me… 10 minutes later we were talking on the couch (with her on my lap… having my buddy there with a girl on his lap probably helped that…) and the rest is (xrated). The moral being that I was actually about as smooth as a dog in heat that night… sometimes irrational confidence is all you need. ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 4:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/having-trouble-thinking-i-should-use-pheromones-again/37369/9 "2010-03-29T16:55:21Z")
They love that movie star seduction. Use your ammo, is, io and make sure it ‘just happens’ once you break the barrier, getting kiss closes will be no big deal. Especially at your age range. I’m so happy things have been working out for you@! ---
**Author:** ![LTDshred](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ltdshred/32/1416_2.png) [@LTDshred](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LTDshred)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2010, 11:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/having-trouble-thinking-i-should-use-pheromones-again/37369/10 "2010-03-29T23:33:11Z")
> [@snorida45x](#): > > To me it seems like you are hooking most of your sets and they generally find you attractive but they are not quite comfortable enough to kiss you. I’m just curious, when you do try and go in for the kiss close what usually happens? How much kino do you use? Maybe you need to build a bit more comfort with your “target” before you try and kiss her. > > With that being said, I would absolutely recommend TUTH combined with some socials for your situation. That should help to steer things in a more sexual direction and assist you with kino. However, as metalTree said, if the girl is not attracted to you then it could be a bit creepy. Maybe try applying TUTH after the girl is already attracted to you and you have moved into comfort. If you want to take a less risky approach try combining some Ammo with IS. It will be less sexual, but if your kino is calibrated correctly, you should be able to get the kiss close. Actually, I never initiated a kiss-close because when I read the body language, its not overwhelmingly attracted, only interested. I need that ATTRACTION stage in order to make a move. So far, I’m just an interesting, humorous, fun-loving guy. No deep feelings are involved, so I need some boost to initiate those deep feelings.