# ‘Heavyweight’ effect for more personal power: P80 + A314 vs AndrostEnone + A314 **URL:** \ **Category:** A314 Insider's Club\ **Created:** [September 22, 2008, 10:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/heavyweight-effect-for-more-personal-power-p80-a314-vs-androstenone-a314/20051 "2008-09-22T10:50:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2008, 10:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/heavyweight-effect-for-more-personal-power-p80-a314-vs-androstenone-a314/20051/1 "2008-09-22T10:50:51Z")
[P80 Feedback](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-feedback/19106/1) ([P80 Feedback](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-feedback/19106/1)) Sandalo (September 2008): “ **P80 Feedback** I purchased a 2mg bottle of P80 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) @ 10mcg/spray, and have selectively tested this experimone in professional/business environments based on others’ experiences with and observations on [P80](https://pheromonelabs.com/) having imparted a ‘serious authority’ that [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) naturally lends to. Here, [P80](https://pheromonelabs.com/) was tested on its own, and [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/)’s known effects used as a baseline reference, with the obvious intent to not only compare but at some point augment [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/)’s use with [P80](https://pheromonelabs.com/) as well. Application was initially made to bare skin, but diffused too strong and fast to be of any use - one hour at most, with a distinctive sense (self-effect) of both ‘critical’ and ‘cautious’ toward whatever task or topic was at hand. This should not be confused with some sort of trepidation; rather, an earnest interest - or, intensity - in ‘getting it right’. Sprays were increased to 50mcg in this manner with no prolonging of the diffusion; then, by combining with various fixatives was able to sustain 10mcg for some three to four hours in total - enough to gauge others’ responses: **[P80](https://pheromonelabs.com/) conveys neither sexual nor social proclivities, per se. It does, though, project a certain stature that can become brutish at higher doses (tested up to ten sprays with fixatives, for 100mcg total) in its delivery, whereupon the ‘scientific’ productivity of the lower doses is upstaged, if not usurped, by the ‘stature’ effect at the higher doses; the latter of which becoming simply nonproductive and even off putting.** **I have applied [P80](https://pheromonelabs.com/) on over a dozen such occasions in the said manner, and in turn have found that it does combine well with [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/). [P80](https://pheromonelabs.com/) has no distinct odor, so no cover scent was necessary. In fact, substituting [P80](https://pheromonelabs.com/) for -none (with [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/)) may make for a more convenient mix in this regard, not being limited by smell considerations while retaining the ‘heavyweight’ elements.**” [P80 Feedback - #4 by Sandalo](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-feedback/19106/4) ([P80 Feedback - #4 by Sandalo](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-feedback/19106/4)) Sandalo (September 2008): “The ‘serious authority’ refers to _other_ member’s reports on P80 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)). Dosage would determine this, purportedly. DPG is an effective fixative; “Glucam P-20” more so, credited to Daedelus, who has posted in depth on this compound. **[P80](https://pheromonelabs.com/) augments [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/)’s fundamental characteristics for the better, delivering more muscle and mileage (akin to adding -none), though, perhaps a bit more Lee Van Cleef than Clint Eastwood.**” ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2008, 10:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/heavyweight-effect-for-more-personal-power-p80-a314-vs-androstenone-a314/20051/2 "2008-09-22T10:53:28Z")
[The dangers of friendly pheromones in a business mix - #7 by Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-dangers-of-friendly-pheromones-in-a-business-mix/5365/7) ([The dangers of friendly pheromones in a business mix - #7 by Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-dangers-of-friendly-pheromones-in-a-business-mix/5365/7)) Gone\_with-the\_Wind (September 2, 2007): “…I don’t discount the use of friendly [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) in business. It’s just playing with fire. I use the nols ([Instant Openness – Ice Breaker Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/)) quite a bit, and [TAA](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/). Even [p74](https://a314.com/product/p74/), [p94](https://pheromonelabs.com/), etc have their place when trying to create a comfortable environment with subordinates. I’ve come to the conclusion that the apporpriate use of pheormones in a business environment is highly context sensitive. **For decision-making meetings with peers,** like the ones it seems several of us have bungled with “friendly” pheromones, **I find a shot or two of additional none makes me a force to be reconned with. Optimal none levels are dependent on personal chemistry, but I think upping the none ratio is worth experimenting with in that environment.** On the other hand, I am hesitant to up the ratio of Androsterone in the decision-making-meetings-with-peers environment. I really enjoy concentrated Androsterone mixes but they create a gentle, benevolent and gracious vibration on me that is likely to reduce my impact in that particular environment. Again, this is personal and it will be interesting to hear what others have experienced. A younger male than myself might benefit from an increased Androsterone ratio due to the different ratio of naturally produced pheromones on his skin. Perhaps we need a series of posts on different business environments. It is niave to think that one mix is optimal for all situations. Here are some more different situations, all of which call for different nuances of mixing. Interviewing a job candidate Being interviewed for a job Facilitating a meeting Running a meeting in which information, a vision or goal, etc is being communicated to subordinates Presenting information or proposals to those above in the heirarchy Supervising work by subordinates Chewing someone out Praising someone Of course, it is impossible to switch pheromone signatures immediately when many of these situations come up. Our signatures change a little bit due to our changing natural pheromone production. If we know that we are going into a situation we can prep appropriately. And, if a situation comes up for which we know we currently have an innapropriate signature, we can try to avoid or postpone the situation. If we can’t postpone it, we can at least prepare for the potential negative consequences our inappropriate signatures may create. [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) seems pretty safe in all situations and I use that as my baseline business mix. My only objection is the smell. I have a couple bottles of the unscented mutant batch left and that is the one I prefer. The regular bottle I bought has a scent that doesn’t go well with some of the business environments I encounter.” [It appears I've been banned from LS. - #267 by Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/267) ([It appears I've been banned from LS. - #267 by Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/267)) Gone\_with-the\_Wind (January 29, 2008): “… **The 1:1 none:Androsterone ratio is what I use in my basecoat mixes.** Perhaps the reason it’s not popular commercially is that the effects are more balanced and you’re less likely to see “off-the-wall” behaviors new users often count as “hits.”” [Evolutionary psychology: -Rone men and -None Men - #25 by Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolutionary-psychology-rone-men-and-none-men/19/25) ([Evolutionary psychology: -Rone men and -None Men - #25 by Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolutionary-psychology-rone-men-and-none-men/19/25)) Gone\_with-the\_Wind (February 17, 2008): “…In this context see my 2007 post on Tournament and pair-bonding strategies for pheromone use ([Tournament and pair-bonding strategies for pheromone use](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tournament-and-pair-bonding-strategies-for-pheromone-use/4009)) . I’m convinced that there are pheromonal markers for these two strategies, although it might not be quite as simple as Androsterone vs. [Androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/). However, I agree that those two pheormones seem to play major roles. In my experience Androsterone and [Androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) give better results together than when used in isolation. MHarris obliquely stated this. The ratio can be varied continously from strong Androsterone with a hint of [Androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) (A314) **to strong [Androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) with a hint of Androsterone (no corresponding Androtics product).** **The latter gives a more agressive aura, but there still appears to be substance behind it. It is useful some times in a business or negotiating context.** Investment in the experimone [Androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) and Androsterone products gives one the ability to play with custom Androsterone/Androstenone ratios. It’s quite fun to explore, and most of the points on the spectrum have their own interest. **My “basecoat” formulations utilize a 50/50 mix of Androsterone/Androstenone, and I can tweak the ratios one way or another from there by adding other pheromones.** **Interestingly, a 50/50 mix strikes me as among the most “natural,” and off-the-wall reactions are less likely than mixes unbalanced towards either end of the spectrum. However, it does communicate an understated power of sorts, and I find that mix to be more useful on a day-to-day basis than some of the more extreme ratios.** ” ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2008, 10:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/heavyweight-effect-for-more-personal-power-p80-a314-vs-androstenone-a314/20051/3 "2008-09-22T10:55:00Z")
[A simple mix I dearly love...](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-simple-mix-i-dearly-love/2829/1) ([A simple mix I dearly love...](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-simple-mix-i-dearly-love/2829/1)) catlord17 (March 30, 2007): “ **A simple mix I dearly love…** Yes, I said simple. It’s very simple. Try this, guys, if you haven’t already: \*\*3-4 drops **A314 ([A314 Classic Edition – Trust & Respect Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/))** oil (forearms, neck, wrists, and/or backs of hands) 1-2 sprays **Turn Up The Heat ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/))** (Back or top of head) This mix is awesome! It releases the “Inner Alpha” - think big beefy cop who’s had years in the hardest environments. It’s that sort of uber masculine super solid confidence and… well… _presence_. It’s like being a huge muscular bull personality wise… all that muscle and power and mass… almost an irresistible force. There’s this sense of strength and solidness, but it’s not aggressive. It’s like, “Mess with me and I will bulldoze you.” Think Riddick, if you’ve ever seen Chronicles of Riddick. Only bigger, more powerful, more confident, and a little less playful. Yeah. This is the mix to wear when you want to either out-male everyone else, or win at whatever competition you’re in. I have noticed that when someone argues with me while I am wearing this, only the best of them can even manage a draw. Sometimes. Typically, I completely dismantle the argument used against me, and then corner the arguer and annihilate them. \*\* Good mix. Two thumbs up. Try it.” ---
**Author:** ![chicagokid1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/53a042/32.png) [@chicagokid1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chicagokid1)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2008, 1:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/heavyweight-effect-for-more-personal-power-p80-a314-vs-androstenone-a314/20051/4 "2008-09-27T01:58:42Z")
Hey visionary I totally agree with catlords a314 and shot of turn up the heat. You really out male everyother guy. My fav most easy mix i think ive tried so far.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2008, 12:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/heavyweight-effect-for-more-personal-power-p80-a314-vs-androstenone-a314/20051/5 "2008-09-27T12:28:41Z")
> [@chicagokid1](#): > > Hey visionary I totally agree with catlords A314 and shot of turn up the heat. You really out male everyother guy. > My fav most easy mix i think ive tried so far.🙂 Yea it looks like an interesting effect. I bet it is very masculine indeed! **Below are more posts from Rbt and sigma on some old testing of Androsterone/AndrostEnone experimental test vials - note that the even ratio of Androsterone to AndrostEnone seemed to be preferred by both guys which is also what ‘Gone with the Wind’ preferred in the posts above…** [IS good for DMV?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-good-for-dmv/456/9) ([IS good for DMV?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-good-for-dmv/456/9)) Rbt (July 3, 2006): “…Oh gawd! I forgot I have those KZI vials too somewhere (somewhere…). gotta try them in combo with some Androtics stuff! **if I recall I had the best “feeling” with the KZI 3/3** …” [What pheromones do WAGG contain? - #8 by sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-pheromones-do-wagg-contain/3651/8) ([What pheromones do WAGG contain? - #8 by sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-pheromones-do-wagg-contain/3651/8)) sigma (May 15, 2007): “…Agreed I was expecting…am STILL expecting them to come out with something more exciting than Alpha 7. One thing I can say about KZI is the quality of the pheromones they use are top-notch. Even if WAGG wasn’t for me, I can certainly see the benefit it may have for others. Very consistent results. **I had great results with the none:Androsterone test packs they had us try back in the day. Simple, yet effective.** KZI and Lacroy are the two manufacturers that LS offers that I really like.” [It appears I've been banned from LS. - #260 by sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/260) ([It appears I've been banned from LS. - #260 by sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/260)) sigma (January 27, 2008): “…A7 is made by KZI…same folks who make WAGG **and the androstenone ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)):androsterone experimental packs back in the day** (which I’m betting A7 is based upon.)…” [It appears I've been banned from LS. - #262 by Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/262) ([It appears I've been banned from LS. - #262 by Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/262)) Rbt (January 27, 2008): “…sigma: I still have the 3 pack test kit from KZI. Didn’t use it as much as I had wanted to. Plus if I recall it only was a test of ratios between two pheromones. I’m guessing that A7 probably, like the old “C7” (Chikara) contains 7 main ingredients… and probably androstenone ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)) heavy…” [It appears I've been banned from LS. - #265 by Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/265) ([It appears I've been banned from LS. - #265 by Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/265)) Rbt (January 28, 2008): “…**Unfortunatley I preferred the lower androstenone ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)) sample.** Will have to dig em out and see what the ratios actually were…” [It appears I've been banned from LS. - #266 by sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/266) ([It appears I've been banned from LS. - #266 by sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/266)) sigma (January 29, 2008): “…1) .5mg/mL A-None & .1mg/mL A-Androsterone 2) .4mg/mL A-None & .2mg/mL A-Androsterone \*\*3) .3mg/mL A-None & .3mg/mL A-Androsterone \*\*\*\*I liked the 1:1 none:Androsterone ratio one too. I remember most people preferring that ratio…\*\*wonder why they opted for such an androstenone ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)) heavy product like A7. Easier to market maybe? I was a little disappointed that they didn’t release a commercial product more in line with those bottles.” [It appears I've been banned from LS. - #269 by Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/269) ([It appears I've been banned from LS. - #269 by Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/269)) Rbt (January 29, 2008): “I dug out my sample test kit and noticed the .4/.2 was the one I must have used the most as it was the lowest. I gave the .5/.1 a try today paired with some LPP Adam as cover (a couple of dabs of both). No one ran screaming, in either direction (either toward me or away from me). May have to play with them some more, and with the actual A7 product when it arrives. I love those cute little bottles.” [It appears I've been banned from LS. - #270 by sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/270) ([It appears I've been banned from LS. - #270 by sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/it-appears-ive-been-banned-from-ls/424/270)) sigma (January 30, 2008): “…**Androsterone has proven to be a very good buffer to androstenone ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/))…which is probably why those little bottles were so effective (despite their relatively simplicity)**…” ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 10:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/heavyweight-effect-for-more-personal-power-p80-a314-vs-androstenone-a314/20051/6 "2008-11-08T10:10:36Z")
> [@Socrates](#): > > [P80 Feedback - #4 by Sandalo](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-feedback/19106/4) ([P80 Feedback - #4 by Sandalo](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-feedback/19106/4)) > Sandalo (September 2008): > “…**P80 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) augments [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/)’s fundamental characteristics for the better, delivering more muscle and mileage (akin to adding -none), though, perhaps a bit more Lee Van Cleef than Clint Eastwood.**” [P83… a nice little empathogen](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646/16) tacitus (October 5, 2006): " **I may have fired five, I may have fired six…** the question is, do you feel lucky today…punk ? **O boy… yes, been there and done that… A314 with P80 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) IS the Clint mix…** [![](https://pheromonetalk.com/womens-pheromone-advice-tips-tricks/images/smilies/eek.gif) ](https://pheromonetalk.com/womens-pheromone-advice-tips-tricks/images/smilies/eek.gif) " [P90… subtle, a touch social dominant, maybe ?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-subtle-a-touch-social-dominant-maybe/985/2) tacitus (November 29, 2006): “…**although not of the Clint Eastwood P80 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) variety**…” [P103 is Phun ! Whee ! Mindless Happiness!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p103-is-phun-whee-mindless-happiness/2605/3) tacitus (March 22, 2007): “… **P80** ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/))\*\* (the Clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry when pissed pheromone)\*\*…” ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 11:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/heavyweight-effect-for-more-personal-power-p80-a314-vs-androstenone-a314/20051/7 "2008-11-08T11:30:23Z")
> [@Socrates](#): > > [P80 Feedback](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-feedback/19106/1) ([P80 Feedback](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-feedback/19106/1)) > Sandalo (September 2008): > “ **P80 Feedback** > > …Application was initially made to bare skin, but diffused too strong and fast to be of any use - one hour at most, **with a distinctive sense (self-effect) of both ‘critical’ and ‘cautious’ toward whatever task or topic was at hand. This should not be confused with some sort of trepidation; rather, an earnest interest - or, intensity - in ‘getting it right’**… > > P80 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) conveys neither sexual nor social proclivities, per se. It does, though, project a certain stature that can become brutish at higher doses (tested up to ten sprays with fixatives, for 100mcg total) in its delivery, **whereupon the ‘scientific’ productivity of the lower doses is upstaged, if not usurped, by the ‘stature’ effect at the higher doses; the latter of which becoming simply nonproductive and even off putting** …” **Some confirmation of P80’s ‘critical’, ‘cautious’, ‘scientific productivity’ self-effects from tacitus’ earlier posts (see below). This effect might be a useful add-on to A314 in a ‘get it right, don’t screw up’, thorough, on-the-task focus kind of way. P80 might be preferable in certain situations to P93, which while making you really want to push through the task, can also lead to a lack of cautiousness at times…** [P80... clever grace note](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-clever-grace-note/296/1) ([P80... clever grace note](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-clever-grace-note/296/1)) tacitus (April 18, 2006): “ **P80… clever grace note** A long deep whoof of P80 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) . Not as immediately _specific_ or blast offish as the big guns of moneland… heady and stimulating in the verbal expressive tangent… somewhat in the wisdom/thought provoking zone of [MEO-EST](https://phera.com/) , \*\*contemplative perhaps ? Up contemplative versus Down contemplative… more afterglow than furious asspounding, I’m not _gripped by desires, things sort of flow around me while my mind revs a touch higher, a bit more attentive… so far, a vote as a presence pheromone… a “state of being” refinement_…” [P80... clever grace note - #4 by tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-clever-grace-note/296/4) ([P80... clever grace note - #4 by tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-clever-grace-note/296/4)) tacitus (April 18, 2006): “ **Walking around baked in P80** Hit the streets with shnurts of P80 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) on the brain… I’m feeling male, groundedly, solidly male, like my male identity has turned up 2 or 3 notches… however, I’m not feeling childishly male, or petulant, or turfy/jerky, or pretend to be GI Joe in civvies who needs to eye fuck everybody in range to prove his dick exists… no… that is sad, very sad… like watching Ultimate Fighters beat each other to bloody pulps to be the king of which hill did you say ? No… that’s a weak male identity posturing like a strong one… compensating for a hoard of insecurities nagging away in the background… Thankfully, P80 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) is the other kind of male strength, solid on its feet, appreciative without being possesive, no need to put on a show… a lot of pure being energy… **almost you might say, a form of “law enforcement psychology”… very aware, very conscious of boundary, no acting like an idiot o.k. ? We know by now that that is a waste of precious life force** …” [P74: who has tried the 5mg/spray dose? - #36 by tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74/197/36) ([P74: who has tried the 5mg/spray dose? - #36 by tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74/197/36)) tacitus (April 19, 2006): “ **Hey, if they pack near the amperage of P80 you could arc weld with it** P80 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) was potent as hell. OTOH more sophisticated than androstenone. **With [P80](https://pheromonelabs.com/) my mind felt unusually engaged, a dig deep and stay focused on the topic mindset, sort of the opposite of racy and centrifugal or spacy… because it lacked the adolescent crudity of -none did not mean that it lacked for potency… it was something I’d like to see guys using when the worked on structural steel… the message seems to be “get it right, don’t screw up”… however, an OD of this could potentially be waaaay to intense… think:** "“The drill sergeant campaign hat is one of the most prestigious and sought-after uniform items in the military inventory,” said CSM Scottie Thomas. “With the drill sergeant patch, worn by current and former drill sergeants, it signifies that a Soldier has accepted one of the greatest responsibilities in the Army today – turning civilians into Soldiers,” added Thomas, the Commandant of the Drill Sergeant School at Fort Jackson, S.C. " Ah… how I pine for Drill Sargeant school… pirouetting around Fort Jackson, S.C. … handing out anal massage DVDs, vulva meditation DVDs, wafting [P80](https://pheromonelabs.com/) to keep all those sweaty mens in line… getting my ass kicked for bad attitude… more [P80](https://pheromonelabs.com/) …mooooore [P80](https://pheromonelabs.com/) … ” [P74: who has tried the 5mg/spray dose? - #57 by tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74/197/57) ([P74: who has tried the 5mg/spray dose? - #57 by tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74/197/57)) tacitus (April 26, 2006): “ **P80 in a group setting** **P80 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) is a sneaky beastie… in a group it brought about a quiet, instrospective state of mind… the being aspect of people was amplified, where they could be quietly but deeply communicative… wholly non dramatic… measured, real… non erotic and non euphoric… I think this is the centering effect of it I felt last time**…” [before we move on, could we review the PUTATIVES ? - #2 by tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/2) ([before we move on, could we review the PUTATIVES ? - #2 by tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/2)) tacitus (July 5, 2006): “ **Experiences with P79 and P80** These are the two that I have focused on. 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Can have a kind of authoritarian firmness to it (that is sometimes called for) **where P80 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) seems like it has a “being” contemplative maleness… like kicking back in the evening after work and thinking about the day while still in man mode.** Together as a [P79](https://pheromonelabs.com/) / [P80](https://pheromonelabs.com/) they produce a kind of USMC officer quality in larger doses, and a dependable solid mature guy energy in lower doses… there is this interesting “I have no illusions about human nature” thinking that goes along with it… probably best in judicious 10 mu per phero squirt doses, a little goes a long way and establishes a lot of respect and some intensity, like you want to inhabit your best, most grounded self… and yeah, some beautiful young women got hot for me too… spontaneously giving me their number, all moist and … you know… ” [before we move on, could we review the PUTATIVES ? - #53 by tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/53) ([before we move on, could we review the PUTATIVES ? - #53 by tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/53)) tacitus (July 21, 2006): “I’ve tested P80 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) by itself and [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) + [P76](https://pheromonelabs.com/) + [P77](https://pheromonelabs.com/) + [P78](https://pheromonelabs.com/) in a custom mix… [P80](https://pheromonelabs.com/) is strongly male although I do not think as erotic as [P79](https://pheromonelabs.com/) … at least in me it is significantly “male being” versus P79s’s “male doing”… there doesn’t seem to be too much to prove, you just kind of are male… although in a deep way… this may vary a lot when added into other things at minute levels… **I feel really focused and clear and complely uninterested in dithering around** …” [Replacement for NPA? - #23 by tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/23) ([Replacement for NPA? - #23 by tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/23)) tacitus (July 24, 2006): “ **Any comparisons with IMPI ?** there’s been some buzz about good synergy between the Androtics family of pheromones and Impi… something in the secret herb ? NPA has, you could say, a reputation that goes both ways… the downside is excess macho competitiveness… although this could conceivably be sweetened with P74 ([Experimental Pheromone P74 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p74/)) , Alpha Androstenol ( good old original a-Androstenol has been a staple of mine for warming up what might otherwise be too hard edged ) , or [EST](https://phera.com/) … or quieted with [TAC](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-c/) … **passing note on P80 as a None substitution** , girl comes over to my place to work on a project, my jacket is hanging on the rack, had sprayed a full 100 mu of [P80](https://pheromonelabs.com/) on the jacket that morning… this was evening so maybe a residual was still active… we were really clicking, got down into the work, **did much more and “better quality effort”** \*\* then went out to dinner at a nice place and had a fantastic conversation (while I’m still wearing the jacket) … it was so natural \*\*there wasn’t a pheromone presence like can be screamingly obvious with excess beta-Androstenol or too aroused to be for real like some of the sexo-combos… **it was as if everything we did or talked about was just a degree deeper and a degree fuller than what we expected… leaving me with the thought that P80 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) , if applied immediately before, might be doing the good thing around 5 mu ? Sure was a lot more compelling, socially, than androstenone**…” [P84.... a juicier version of P85 ?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p84-a-juicier-version-of-p85/636) ([P84.... a juicier version of P85 ?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p84-a-juicier-version-of-p85/636)) tacitus (September 1, 2006): “…**P80 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) which can bring out grit, determination, cut-the-shitness,** not always guaranteed to put you on the Christmas card mailing list of all the Happye Phonys in your vacinity…” [P83... a nice little empathogen - #27 by tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646/27) ([P83... a nice little empathogen - #27 by tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646/27)) tacitus (November 18, 2006): “interesting you noticed this facet of some of the P series… **the cool objective sizing up… really felt that in spades with P80 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) when the dosage got high**…” [P93.... yes, it exists... no, you can't have it... - #15 by tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93-yes-it-exists-no-you-cant-have-it/949/15) ([P93.... yes, it exists... no, you can't have it... - #15 by tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93-yes-it-exists-no-you-cant-have-it/949/15)) tacitus (December 9, 2006): “…**I had little patience for trivial crap, a la P80 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) ,** **but it was less authoritarian, less dark and looming** …” [P103 alone while sick with the flu: uplifted and giddy, but sexless](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p103-is-phun-whee-mindless-happiness/2605) ([P103 alone while sick with the flu: uplifted and giddy, but sexless](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p103-is-phun-whee-mindless-happiness/2605)) tacitus (March 22, 2007): “…or P80 (the Clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry when pissed pheromone)… and having said that… sometime like a dot of yin in a field of yang, **just the littlest bit of of a P80 can sometimes add a solidity and realism…** anyway…” ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 9:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/heavyweight-effect-for-more-personal-power-p80-a314-vs-androstenone-a314/20051/8 "2009-02-28T09:01:56Z")
More on the AndrosteRone + AndrostEnone combo… a.k.a. (February 18, 2006): "…My feeling is that Androsterone gives you a strong alpha vibe. Androstenol gives you a youthful vibe. None gives you a strong “check me out” vibe. If you have lots of Androsterone with little or no Androstenol, you tend to come off as “all work and no play”. **If you combine Androsterone with None — and add nothing to soften the intensity — you tend to give off a pushy, “just do what I say” vibe.** Just my impressions. No scientific data to back up any of this."