# Hello all **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [January 15, 2008, 6:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-all/8325 "2008-01-15T18:37:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![torn35](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@torn35](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/torn35)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2008, 6:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-all/8325/1 "2008-01-15T18:37:55Z")
Hello all! I am a 20 yrs old guy in the chicago land region and I am new to the whole idea of [pheromone colognes](https://a314.com/shop/) and wanted to see if they are worth the hype. I just recently bought Pherlure to try out since I was told it is one of the best colognes out there, but I want to see if there were more effective ones out there or things for me to mix n’ match to try out. I am primairly doing this because I am interested in a girl at work which I have been having trouble trying to get more of a relationship out of. We talk a lot during work and get a long really well but it seems she is not looking for a relationship right now. She is one of those shy girl types that is not really good at getting and holding relationships. So I was wondering what should I try out to get her to become more attracted me or help me get a relationship with her? Thank you ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2008, 8:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-all/8325/2 "2008-01-15T20:54:17Z")
Hello Torn and welcome to the forum. As for Pherlure - there are a lot of mixed feelings about its effectiveness. I lot of people here wished they had saved their money but a few do swear it works. Give it a try and if it does not seem to work they do have a money back guarantee. For someone your age looking to get the girl of your desires - hmmmm - I would recommend [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) and CTTM. Instant Gentleman will give you you an older/suave/cool air. It does not have any 'none in it so you do not have to worry about an OD. Young guys such as yourself are putting out lots of 'none and if she is about your age and shy, more 'none may make her withdraw even more. CTTM has alpha and beta 'nols and is good for starting and deeping conversations. Androtics does offer Ammo - a great product - but it does have 'none and you run the risk of the OD or possibly scaring her off. There are a couple big things to remember when using these products. First, you are going to have to play with them a little to see how they work with your body chemistry and personality. Everyone is different so these products give you the results as stated but they can vary by dose by individual. Second, these products are not a magic elixir. They do give you a great edge, but you have to take positive action to take advantage of that edge. In other words, if you do nothing, chances are nothing will happen. Finally - there is one comment you made that caught my attention. you said: “She is one of those shy girl types that is not really good at getting and holding relationships.” It could be no matter what you do she is in fact still emotionally not ready for - or desiring - a serious, long-term adult romantic relationship. If that is in fact the case, maybe you would do best by yourself in not pursueing one with her at this point. If she is just shy, well then this stuff can certainly help break through a little ice. Any more questions, feel free to ask. ---
**Author:** ![torn35](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@torn35](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/torn35)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2008, 9:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-all/8325/3 "2008-01-15T21:36:20Z")
Hi Bosshank, thanks for helping me out. I just read up on the post about Pherlure in this forum and how someone actually contacted the professor about the study made at University of Chicago being fabricated and there is no proof that it exists or works for that matter. So I am going to return it and get my money back. Now with that extra cash I have, I can now use that to buy something actually real and works. As far as my situation goes, I believe you may be right on how she is not emotionally ready for relationship but it can be so hard to tell with girls whats going on in their head. I am hoping its just that she is shy. I don’t know about that [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) though, I forgot to mention that she is 18 right now and I don’t want to make me seem any older than I already am, lol. Would any of the Instant Openess or Shine be an option? I’ve been reading up on other posts about it, but then again I don’t know what works. If all else fails with that situation though, I am still willing try out any products from the product selection to see how they work. I am tight on cash too so I can’t go indulging. Just anything to help me get started that you would recommend. Thanks again! ---
**Author:** ![mockingbird](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mockingbird/32/1790_2.png) [@mockingbird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2008, 10:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-all/8325/4 "2008-01-15T22:19:56Z")
Welcome torn! Did you get any results using pherlure? Instant openness is great to get more conversation, but it seems that u are already know her and talk a lot with her, so you can get instant honesty: it is good at promoting quality conversation over quantity. [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) is also good since it is a balanced product that help get attention. ---
**Author:** ![Elevation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a8b319/32.png) [@Elevation](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Elevation)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2008, 11:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-all/8325/5 "2008-01-15T23:03:03Z")
Hey Torn, It seems like you’ve already got the trust factor going on with her, you just need to kick-start the attraction thing. Ammo is great for that…just make sure you don’t use too many sprays at first or you might OD. Start with one and go from there. And if she’s shy and nervous, [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) can help with that by helping her relax around you. If money is a factor I would get a bunch of to-go bottles and see what works…Ammo, Instant Honesty, Instant Female Magic and Instant Shine would be good places to start. IFM + IH is great for bonding Ammo gets her sexually attracted Shine just makes her feel good around you Just play around with them and watch her reactions. The hits might be subtle so watch closely. Good luck and have fun. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2008, 11:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-all/8325/6 "2008-01-15T23:05:13Z")
Torn, They all work pretty much as described. But once again ewffects and dosing shift from person to person. The [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) will not make you seem THAT much older - just a suave, sophisticated kinda thing. Hard to describe. I have used it to offset the heavier A314 - but A314 is not necessarily a direction you want to go in this case. It can make you seem more “High Value” but that may scare her off too. CTTM is a 50/50 mix of Instant Openness and Instant Honesty. If you already have a basic rapport it would be good, or I would go with Instant Honesty - deepen the conversation. Instant shine is always good - everyone to include you feels up. If short on cash go the To Go route. They have enough to show you it works. ---
**Author:** ![Genesis](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/genesis/32/440_2.png) [@Genesis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Genesis)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2008, 2:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-all/8325/7 "2008-01-16T02:33:33Z")
hey torn, younger crowds like myself should use products such as ammo and shine. if you have no troubles with the ladies, then honesty and openness shouldn’t be much of a need for you, but ammo and shine would do wonders. if you want more talking, then androstenol would do the trick. look up the stickies for all the info! have fun ---
**Author:** ![Patratt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/patratt/32/971_2.png) [@Patratt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Patratt)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2008, 4:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-all/8325/8 "2008-01-16T04:30:30Z")
Torn, these guys all gave you great suggestions and good opinions on Pherlure, so there is not much for me to add. Just wanted to welcome you to the forums and assure you that these products are for real. I have had great experiences with them so far and I am new at this too. Make sure to really read and study those stickies. It may seem overwhelming, but just stick with the basics at first. [The Snook’s big book o’ pheros for rookies](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-snooks-big-book-o-pheros-for-rookies/5879) Again, welcome and I wish you the best with the shy girl. -Patratt ---
**Author:** ![torn35](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@torn35](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/torn35)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2008, 6:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-all/8325/9 "2008-01-16T06:53:47Z")
Wow is all I can say to all this. I can’t thank you guys enough for all this advice. Ok so I will get some to-go’s and try out what will work best for me. So far I got Instant…Honesty, IShine, Female Magic, Openness, and ammo with a possible [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) and CTTM. Now I don’t know how much this will cost me but hopefully I can get them all. I hope I will be qualified for that $15, it will be real handy for this. Oh I have a couple questions for you guys too before I order as well. I don’t know if I need to do this but there are stronger doses of some of these I think should I get any higher strengths on these? And with all of these its hard to figure out a good combination on how to use all these without making myself be too overwhelming to others. So is there a good combination to use some of these like where and how many sprays? Thanks so much again guys! ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2008, 11:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-all/8325/10 "2008-01-16T11:10:03Z")
Hello Torn Welcome to the forum 🙂 I see you have gotten some great advice from the guys. > [@](#): > > I hope I will be qualified for that $15, it will be real handy for this. You are and SteveO will be around soon to let you know he is sending it out. He does them in groups. > [@](#): > > I don’t know if I need to do this but there are stronger doses of some of these I think should I get any higher strengths on these? No not on your first order, first you need to find out what your effective dosage is for each product. Suppose you find that you need more then 4 sprays of Instant Shine to see the results. Then I would consider going 2x. You wont know though until you have tried them at regular dosage. > [@](#): > > And with all of these its hard to figure out a good combination on how to use all these without making myself be too overwhelming to others. So is there a good combination to use some of these like where and how many sprays? Because of our own chemical make up pheromones work slightly different on each user. To find out your most effective dosage you need to test each product on its own for a few days at least. Start with one product and 1 spray and work up till you see the desired results. Once you know how much you need of each product then start using more then one at a time in what we call a combo or mix. Certain products do compliment each other well. Take Ammo for instance. Its a great stand alone product to attract attention. Its sexy and masculine and just yummy (whoops sorry turning myself on LOL:o ) anyway when you us Instant Shine with it, it ups the sexuality of the product. Ishine draws people to you and makes them feel good. If you use [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) with it it gives off a attractive sexy intimate vibe. It adds more comfort and deepness to the mix. It helps in giving you a aura of approuchability. So after you test each one to find out the dosage. I would suggest you use ammo as you home base of sorts. What I mean by this is I use Instant sexiness just about daily. (unless testing) Then I switch the products I use with it to get the desired vibe I want for that day. Thats whats great about these products. You can play around and create different vibes and enhance different parts of your persona as needed. Its not like other companies that just hand you a bottle and act like its “one size fits all” Well I yapped your ear off enough 😉 Read up in the forum to get familar with how some of us use the products. If you need any help just jump in and ask in the mens forum and we really look forward to your participation. Have fun Tisha ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 1:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-all/8325/11 "2008-01-17T01:14:02Z")
I do a lot of things in groups Tisha: I hope you don’t go spreading rumors about those too. Welcome to the forum and wow did Tisha step in to really solidify the use of mones for you. What else can I say except that I am heading out to Beverly Hills, but before I go I will send out your GC. Welcome friend. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 1:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-all/8325/12 "2008-01-17T01:25:44Z")
> [@](#): > > I do a lot of things in groups Tisha: I hope you don’t go spreading rumors about those too. Rumor what Rumor, Its the truth I tell ya, hes a group man, pictures to follow from LA 😃 ---
**Author:** ![torn35](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@torn35](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/torn35)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 5:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-all/8325/13 "2008-01-17T05:59:53Z")
Well I would just like to say first off thank you all for the warm welcome, I hope that I will get to learn quite a bit from all this great information I have been receiving. I know I didn’te get to really say that at first, but I wanted to at least say it now. Secondly, I would just like to recently thank Tisha and Steve for all your help. Tisha thanks for that quick guide on some of these products, that will give me a good idea on how to figure out where to start. Steve thank you for the GC, it will become most handy when I go buying crazy with this stuff. Hehe All this information I have been absorbing can really give you a head rush. I find it really exciting to learn about all these great products and even better to get to try them out myself. So what I plan on doing is doing my first experiment at work by using 2 sprays of Instant Openness, [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) and Instant Shine. I hope it won’t be too much to try at first but since the setting will be at work it is hard to determine what is the best dosage to use. My work is at a bakery cafe so there will be lots of other smells involved with heat and other distractions. I will have her attention for a good couple hours doing some prep work but she will be at a distance of good 5 or 6 feet from me. So I hope that it would be enough to at least try out, and if not there will be other ladies there to see if they react or not. I will also have a better second experiment where it will be in more of a social setting when I will be getting together with her and a few others. I am hoping I will be getting better results then. If there are any suggestions on dosage or where to apply with each for each of these situations, that would be much appreciated. Thanks again all! ---
**Author:** ![Elevation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a8b319/32.png) [@Elevation](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Elevation)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 4:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-all/8325/14 "2008-01-17T16:44:32Z")
Everyone always starts out by mixing first…I know I did…but I would recommend you start off one at a time and get the right dosage, and then add the others. Otherwise you won’t know which [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) is doing what to your targets. My recommendation would be Openness first, since the hits are easier to spot with that one. You should be close enough to her at 5 or 6 feet to have an effect. I would apply to back of the neck - I don’t know what you do at the bakery but if you get flour all over your wrists and hands you’ll end up washing off the pheros sooner than you want to. ---
**Author:** ![torn35](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@torn35](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/torn35)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2008, 3:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-all/8325/15 "2008-01-20T03:25:30Z")
First off I am posting this on two threads to see if I can get more members for advice or other comments. Ok, so even though I know about the whole “dont mix on first time” rule, I just had to try it just for the hell of it. So here was my mix: 2x Instant Shine one on neck and chest, 1x Instant Openness on left arm, 1x [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) on right arm. I tried the two different arms because they move a lot during work. Anyways I worked today at the bakery and the results were hard to figure out. I was working closely with 3 people today on the production line. I worked with my manager, 25 male, and my two female co-workers 18 and 32. Each one was displaying some different reactions. The manager was in a more than average hyper mood, usually he is pretty mellow and laid back. Today he was saying a lot of wierd things and pretty flirteous. The one female co-worker, 32, was the most hyper and was all over the place today and being very goofy to put it best. I have seen her have her hyper moments but today she was really hyper. She was throwing a lot of stuff at me and making a lot of jokes at me and smiling a lot. So I am assuming those pheroes did the trick on her. Finally the girl that I was really testing this on is the other female co-worker, 18. She was pretty quiet today and kept to herself. We found out our boss was leaving and naturally she would be jumping for joy but instead she was just ok with it, happy but not enthusiatic. I asked her if she was alright and she said she didn’t know and she thinks she is getting sick. She did also hang around the manager quite a bit helping him out and she seemed to be in a good mood then too. Now towards the end of my shift, approx 8hrs after I first applied the mix, she was starting to get a little more life in her and was starting seem like herself again. Now what I am thinking is that the older co-workers were getting a really good vibe off of the stuff while the younger co-worker got the opposite reaction and seems to have a reverse reaction. Well that was my first experiment. Now tomorrow morning I will see her again so I will be trying out something else, probably less dosage. I am thinking maybe 1x Openness and Shine. Also I do have ammo and I am not too sure what situation I should use that one. I could try that on her this time come around with Instant Shine. I will also have another chance to try a different mix or just one product later that night. The situation will be that social outting where my work is going to have a very late christmas party at a skating ring so there will be multiple people there from work and not from work. So that situation I am a little more excited to try ammo and Turn Up the Heat. Not so much for that one particular girl but just for everyone else there. Any suggestions or commments would be great! Thanks guys for all your help.