# Hello, and question. **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 10, 2006, 8:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-and-question/199 "2006-03-10T08:42:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2006, 8:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-and-question/199/1 "2006-03-10T08:42:34Z")
I’m new to this forum, but I’ve been using [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) for a few months now and have had some really amazing results at times. I’m still experimenting heavily with what I have, and I have a question about today’s experiment. Today I was revisiting androstenone in the form of The Edge. I OD very easily on it, despite being a very small framed and slender guy. I’m type O blood, and I read on here a while back that type O blood types produce a lot of -none naturally, so that makes sense. IIRC, suggested dose is 2 sprays, but that always caused OD. I never got any hits with it either, so I just quit using it, since an OD of -none makes me really negative, nasty, combative and foul-mouthed. I don’t like it. But I keep coming back to wanting to try to get the sexual responses, so I decided to cut it in half with cologne and try that. Today I wore two sprays of this 50% TE solution, one on either side of my neck, and voila - OD. I was swearing like a sailor at all the other drivers while I was on the road. Enclosed space accentuated it, I’m sure, but it really didn’t go away when I came home, either. Interestingly, I got my first hit from it today, when I visited my mother! She was trying to comfort me and instead of kissing me on the cheek like usual, she kissed me right where I had applied it on my neck! Obviously not sexual, but still a response I would not have gotten without it. Anyway, I am wondering… if I were to apply the sprays to my wrists, instead of my neck… would that make me less likely to OD, using the same amount? And would it be anymore or less effective on other people? Also, what if I wore some anol on my upper lip or something? Durn it, I wanna see these sexual hits everyone says they get with -none! ---
**Author:** ![Cloud9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cloud9/32/1736_2.png) [@Cloud9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cloud9)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2006, 4:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-and-question/199/2 "2006-03-10T16:16:35Z")
The problem with TE and NPA is that they can smell like “cat piss” to quite a few women. The ones that have good noses on them. I’ve run into it on more than one occasion in the past. That is enough alone for me to not use those products. Another reason you can’t get consistant results is that they are not dosed, and you have no idea really how much Anone your putting on. I too OD easily on Anone. I don’t see too much Aggression, rather I see that women become easily intimidated by me and less approachable. I think you’d get much more consistant results with a dosed product like “Turn Up The Heat”, which is sold here. Not to mention it is dosed and doesn’t stink. ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2006, 4:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-and-question/199/3 "2006-03-10T16:25:56Z")
As an interesting aside, I have been talking to a few women recently about “household odors,” all of whom say they dislike the smell of cat pee, eg in litter pans and the like. One even stated she much prefers “dog stink” to “cat stink” (she has both dogs and cats at her place). Personally I find I can take cat stink more than dog stink… Wonder if it’s genetic??? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Aurelie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aurelie/32/1914_2.png) [@Aurelie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Aurelie)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2006, 5:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-and-question/199/4 "2006-03-10T17:24:44Z")
I really need to spray on some TAF so I can focus on work. My mind is all over the place today. But this one is easy enough to comment on. I too would rather deal with whatever unpleasant odor a dog generates. Cat pee is the worst!!! 😮 ---
**Author:** ![Cloud9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cloud9/32/1736_2.png) [@Cloud9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cloud9)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2006, 7:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-and-question/199/5 "2006-03-10T19:30:11Z")
I mean have any of you women smelled this stuff(TE and NPA)? ---
**Author:** ![Aurelie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aurelie/32/1914_2.png) [@Aurelie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Aurelie)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2006, 7:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-and-question/199/6 "2006-03-10T19:35:55Z")
> [@Cloud9](#): > > I mean have any of you women smelled this stuff(TE and NPA)? No, I only have the women’s version of NPA. It probably doesn’t smell as much as the men’s version. But it’s been permanently shelved due to my dislike of -none and the adverse effect of it on my guy. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2006, 9:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-and-question/199/7 "2006-03-10T21:59:41Z")
Perhaps at a future date I will try TUTH, but for now, I had to break my own rules to get A314. Maybe getting A314 and using it with one spray of the 50% TE and some cologne will do the trick. I usually wear 3 drops of AE/m, but it doesn’t seem to have much effect. Otherwise, I usually wear a combination of Pherlure and SOE, which, if I’m in the mood to be paying attention, works well. Aside from AE/m, I usually avoid anone. Never had any rage problems with AE/m though… maybe it’s the secret ingredient in TE? That would mean I could use TUTH much better. By the way, Aurelie, where did you come up with that username? That’s really nice. Guess I’ll answer my own application point questions with experimentation. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cloud9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cloud9/32/1736_2.png) [@Cloud9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cloud9)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2006, 10:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-and-question/199/8 "2006-03-10T22:50:42Z")
AE/m doesn’t work well because instead of getting out into the air and into people’s noses it just sticks to your skin. I gave AE up and started making my own AE-like mix with androtics products..they work a lot better. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2006, 7:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-and-question/199/9 "2006-03-11T07:03:39Z")
> [@Cloud9](#): > > AE/m doesn’t work well because instead of getting out into the air and into people’s noses it just sticks to your skin. I gave AE up and started making my own AE-like mix with androtics products..they work a lot better. Well, based on the results I have gotten lately,that sounds like a good choice. Today, I tested my 50/50 TE/cologne mix by spraying one spray on each forearm, and then applying 4" of SOE to each forearm afterwards. I then got in my car to go pick up a friend, and found myself stewing on how she had irritated me. Opening the window helped, but the effect was much less pronounced than with the neck application minus the -NOL. Once I gotout of the car,the aggression went away completely, and after picking her up from the Greyhound station and driving her to her place, she grabbed myright arm and began sniffing it right where I had applied, saying, “Hmmm, yes, this smells very good indeed.” She reported no cat piss scent; rather, she said it smelled like a combination of soap and forest. (I mixed the TE with Eternity.) I don’t consider her a good test subject for sexual hits, since I know she is extremely attracted to me, and I also know she would do anything I even hinted at sexually if she thought it would please me. Unfortunately for her, I value our current friendship far too much to risk it to sex. Anyway, interesting hits with TE, lately… I wasn’t getting them before. I also had the bar tender eyeing me, even though I was sitting next to said friend. The bartender is an attractive woman, and could doubtless have any man she wanted, but she was going out of her way to notice me. I have to say I enjoyed that. I wish I had been in a situation where I could have asked her for some contact information so I could have talked later. I guess I’ll have to do that another time. I’m using the sprayer that the TE came in, and I have noticed it uses a lot per spray, so when it’s gone I’ll get some TUTH and a -NOL based product if my results here are good enough. What do you suppose would best mimic none/nol? TUTH with IO, or IH? Should I try to retian the rone content I am currently adding through the SOE? ---
**Author:** ![Cloud9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cloud9/32/1736_2.png) [@Cloud9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cloud9)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2006, 9:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-and-question/199/10 "2006-03-11T09:08:14Z")
A314(basically its a highly tweaked form of mainly Arone but has 8 other pheromones in it as well\, TUTH\, IO\ When I switched to Androtics products everything worked so much better. I think the main reason is that they all diffuse better into the air than any other product except TE. I’d say TE works as well as it does, because of its great diffusive properties(diffusion means how well it gets out into the air). A314 isn’t super diffusive, but you don’t want it to be..its a long lasting all day effect. A314 also as a side-effect of the pheromones and fixatives in it help reduce the negative effects on Anone in other products u use with it. Instant Openess you will notice works better than SOE, because SOE tends to stick to your skin more than get out into the air, because it’s oil based. Also SOE isn’t dosed, so it’s hard to replicate the exact dosage each time. SOE is a roll top, which allows skin bacteria to get traped back into the bottle. skin bacteria causes conversion of Anol to Anone. I don’t work for Androtics in anyway. I am simply a veteran that’s used all of the other products out there and was tired of inconsistant mediocre results. I stumbled upon androtics through the use of A314, which was sold on another popular pheromone site I used to go to. Once you go Androtics you don’t go back. Now if TE works for you, by all means keep using it, but don’t hesitate to replace or add in other products as well. IShine works well with any mix you create. its what I like to call a mix enhancer…kind of like how people add A1 to there mixes to be icing on the cake. Well IS makes you and others around you feel good, makes u more confident, reduced physical boundaries, and gives you a youthful sexually suggestive shine/vibe towards women. This stuff is like crack…you just keep sniffing the stuff. Makes you feel great. IFM is like A1 on steroids with less depressive effects. IHonesty is a primarily Beta-nol product with a serious tone to it. It invokes deep quality talk. Its like truth serum. People will all of a sudden blurt out things they wouldn’t normally tell you. Not a great pick-up product, but one you might want to use on its on in a relationship or on a friend you want to reveal more things about themselves you feel they are hiding. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2006, 11:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-and-question/199/11 "2006-03-11T11:20:44Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > Today I was revisiting androstenone in the form of The Edge. I OD very easily on it, despite being a very small framed and slender guy. Have you tried a combination of lower dose none, Impi + IFM (or the active ingredient in IFM - PM me if you want a hint)? With lower dose none, the hits are not as aggressive as with Edge (and so you have to do a bit more work in initiating), but one does seem to get many of the other good things. Otherwise try TAK, which seems to damp down some of the intimidating aspects of none, and/or [Instant Sexiness](https://phera.com/product/instant-sexiness/) (a chick product, but one that might work for men too). ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 2:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-and-question/199/12 "2006-03-13T02:17:54Z")
I’m for the most part restricted to the pheromones I already have, although I did recently purchase A314, because my money is aimed at building my business more than experimenting with pheromones right now. I’ve recently discovered that the Nol/None mix works beautifully for keeping me from raging, but I have not yet seen any overt hits with it, either. Still experimenting with ratios. I’ll have to try the stuff I don’t have once I have paid for what I need to pay for business-wise.