# Hello! Asian guy looking to win the heart of a friend (or out of the friendzone) M/23 **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [November 16, 2016, 7:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-asian-guy-looking-to-win-the-heart-of-a-friend-or-out-of-the-friendzone-m-23/66614 "2016-11-16T07:02:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![superdduper93](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/977dab/32.png) [@superdduper93](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/superdduper93)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 7:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-asian-guy-looking-to-win-the-heart-of-a-friend-or-out-of-the-friendzone-m-23/66614/1 "2016-11-16T07:02:43Z")
Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen, I’ll try not to be too long but will also do everything to be as detailed as possible to not paint the wrong picture. Anywho, here it goes… **Btw, here’s some information about myself:** Age: 23 Nationality: Asian (specifically Vietnamese), but born in Washington State Work: Marine Corps Come from a stable family with no divorce, abuse, etc. Here’s some information about her: Age: 21 Nationality: Asian (also Vietnamese), born in Vietnam, moved to the US circa 2010 or 2011 Work: Lab Research Assistant/Student at UCSD Also comes from a stable family with no divorce, abuse, etc. **STORY** I’m currently an active duty Marine, that got stationed in San Diego two years ago. That was also around the same time I joined up with a church group that I had also been a member of prior to joining, but this time, joining in the San Diego chapter. It was there that I met this girl we’ll call LA, who in my eyes, was not attractive at the time. Or I was just indifferent. After all, she was already dating someone else and I thought nothing of her. As time went on and I began to make friends within the church group and got to talking with LA, I was invited to go on a group retreat with everybody in the group. At the retreat, LA revealed in while hanging out with everybody else that she was actually not happy with her boyfriend, who had a tendency to flake on her. Having met her boyfriend through misc. events, I played Devil’s advocate and tried to convince her likewise that maybe he doesn’t realize it while also giving her my perspective from his view. This seemed to opened a door to something else a couple weeks later when we (the church group) were all at her house to make decorations for an upcoming church anniversary celebration. While washing dishes (yes, men can), LA happens to get a little close while trying to talk about somewhat personal topics like if I had previous relationships or if I loved anybody. I responded in kind, thinking nothing much but somewhat realized that she was somewhat flirting with me. As time continued, I noticed LA began to subtly flirt with me on different occasions, jokingly asked me to pay for her groceries once when I ran into her at the store, or said that I should stay in San Diego after I get out of the Marines as if in her quoting, “it was meant to be”. I honestly didn’t take it seriously at the time, since again, LA was still dating her boyfriend, and privately confided with my closest friend that I kind of felt weirded out that she would be doing that. My friend only told me that she was just trying to be friendly. I guess this is also around the time when I began to see her as attractive in a certain way. This year, from January to August, I deployed. I kept in touch with all my church group friends including LA during that entire period. They thought I wasn’t going to return until next year… Until I surprised them at a restaurant the first weekend of August. It was the perfect occasion as I wanted to surprise everybody, and coincidentally plopped myself in a seat across from LA. We got into a friendly conversation before she had to leave early, but not before asking if I was free to come to her 21st birthday party the next day. I smiled and said yes, I’ll be there. The next day, with the rest of the church group, we were at LA’s house partaking in her 21st birthday party with her family. There I found out that while I was still deployed, she had broke up with her boyfriend and currently single. While this information was processing in my head, she was asking that I taste all the food she had prepared, taking note that it was only me she was asking. It was as if LA was trying to impress me. For a couple weeks afterwards as I was slowly readjusting back to life in the States, I kept noticing how she was subtly flirting with me once more. Honestly, I wasn’t paying attention as I had my eyes on another girl from the church group we’ll call PA who had caught my eye by making laugh on a really bad day out on deployment. (To clarify, she’s not military, and made me laugh unintentionally with a pun in a group message. When you’re deprived of the simple things in life, you learn to appreciate the little things) I had initially decided to pursue PA but my closest friend who first made the remarks about LA being friendly, straight up warned me to stay away, step back, and she her for who she really was. I did just that and realized that while PA had a bubbly surface, she was pretty nasty in depth as a person. After realizing that, I decided to realign my sights back LA and decided, “eh, why not ask her to the Marine Corps Ball?” I didn’t do that to pursue her immediately, but I decided to take it slow and see how it went from there. Mustering up the courage, I asked her out. Luckily, LA said yes, but went going only as friends. I couldn’t be happier as I considered this the first step. However, my friend almost killed the vibe two weeks prior to the Marine Corps Ball by showing me a picture of her and some other guy at a Bruno Mars concert. At first, my insecure side screamed that I had lost the perfect opportunity to respond to all the flirting she was doing to me while I was pursuing PA. But I had to remind myself to take it slow, because if I made any sudden moves, I was going to come off as desperate. Marine Corps Ball time came around and I showed up to her house in my Dress Blue Alphas and she emerged from her door looking like a bride. My heart skipped a beat while we walked to my car…We had a blast, no kissing, sex, or any of that stuff at the end of the night. After all, we were in a church group duh… While we had fun, that was two - three weeks ago. I don’t know what else to do after that other than text her occasionally but it felt like she easily moved on in the whole single ready to mingle game. Feeling that way and wanted to get an edge to win her heart, I began to do research on Pheromones and ended up on AndroticsDirect. From there, I got into an awesome almost hour long conversation with Emma and ended up getting [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) and Instant Shine based on her recommendations which should be arriving at in my inbox in two days. **QUESTION** **My question to any guy in their 20’s that have been in this similar situation is this:** **If you used Instant Gentleman and Shine, did you first used a combination of both when you first got it?** **Or did you use only one? If so, which one? How many sprays?** **Where do you apply it if you want the most attention?** ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 12:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-asian-guy-looking-to-win-the-heart-of-a-friend-or-out-of-the-friendzone-m-23/66614/2 "2016-11-16T12:00:26Z")
Welcome to PheromoneTalk, superdduper93! I see you already used your intro GC. 🙂 First, I have to tell you, this is one of the nicest intro I ever read. 🙂 You really like this girl. Is she aware that you even tried hitting on PA? That piece of info might prove useful in your attempt to reposition yourself in her inner circle. Of course you don;t have to show her about this little jealousy feeling since you two are not yet in a relationship, you don’t want to be misinterpreted as the jealous, controlling kind of guy at this early. 🙂 IG and IS is a good choice, since you are a military man. But if you still can, I will recommend some AMMO-Summer to let that youthful attractive vibe get out and surprise LA. In fact, the entire social line might help you soften your military vibe (IH for bonding, IO for friendly conversation/approaches, and CTTM2 ) And since all of them are in stealth diffusion, the only fragrance she/they will get is the one coming from AMMO. I’ll recommend though that you should find your sweetspot for each item first. Most of the users here find their sweetspot to be at 2 sprays. 🙂 Here’s a link for the application points: [Application points 101: a guide to where on the body to apply pheromones](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/application-points-101/53343) Happy Pheroing! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 2:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-asian-guy-looking-to-win-the-heart-of-a-friend-or-out-of-the-friendzone-m-23/66614/3 "2016-11-16T14:24:43Z")
Hello superdduper93, Best intro I have seen in a very long time thank you! First thing I would do is read up on the App points that Dee posted for you, and whatever you do don’t get to hung up on which ones as all you need is the pheromones to have body heat so they can lift off of your skin and into the air. It is best to solo test each thing to see what is the best dose for you before anything else. Then when you find out what your sweet spot is then try combining the 2. When I got my very first order and it was Ammo, TUTH, and IS I put it all on at once the first time and it was a mess and got no attention at all. I learned really quick what not to do and the stickies in this intro section are there because of members like me that did this and from experience it is best to start low 1 spray and work up from 1 product until you can judge how it effects people. I find and this is for me personally I like the neck area and the main reason is like IShine, I get great self effects while it effects others and a lot of people fail to realize that this can work like a double edge sword to really get the maximum benefits out of pheromones. With ones that I don’t look for self effects like Ammo and you want it to effect others I use on the back of my hands and I try to talk with my hands more to spread the pheromones around. The hands are very useful because of this. With other App spots you can’t move the pheromone cloud around as much. With number of sprays being 23 I am thinking of around 1-3 should be in the ballpark of where you need to be with IG and IShine. But you will have to test really and I am trying to give you a good starting point. I hope I answered your questions and if you have anymore just post or even send me a PM and I will respond. If you get anything else for the attraction [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) is a must have for attraction and would look into this one. Also with IG you chose a really good one because you can use at work or on duty to and you should try testing here as well. Good Luck!!! ---
**Author:** ![superdduper93](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/977dab/32.png) [@superdduper93](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/superdduper93)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 2:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-asian-guy-looking-to-win-the-heart-of-a-friend-or-out-of-the-friendzone-m-23/66614/4 "2016-11-16T14:52:25Z")
> [@Dee\_A](#): > > Welcome to PheromoneTalk, superdduper93! > > I see you already used your intro GC. 🙂 > > First, I have to tell you, this is one of the nicest intro I ever read. 🙂 You really like this girl. > > Is she aware that you even tried hitting on PA? That piece of info might prove useful in your attempt to reposition yourself in her inner circle. Of course you don;t have to show her about this little jealousy feeling since you two are not yet in a relationship, you don’t want to be misinterpreted as the jealous, controlling kind of guy at this early. 🙂 > > IG and IS is a good choice, since you are a military man. But if you still can, I will recommend some AMMO-Summer to let that youthful attractive vibe get out and surprise LA. In fact, the entire social line might help you soften your military vibe (IH for bonding, IO for friendly conversation/approaches, and CTTM2 ) And since all of them are in stealth diffusion, the only fragrance she/they will get is the one coming from AMMO. > > I’ll recommend though that you should find your sweetspot for each item first. Most of the users here find their sweetspot to be at 2 sprays. 🙂 > > Here’s a link for the application points: [Application points 101: a guide to where on the body to apply pheromones](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/application-points-101/53343) > > Happy Pheroing! 🙂 **RESPONSE** Good Morning Dee, actually yes. The whole church group actually thought that PA and I were going to be a thing after I returned from deployment. LA even thought I was going to ask PA out to the Marine Corps Ball. But as time went by (a three month period), I realized how PA wasn’t going to be my type with her Jekyll/Hyde personality. Not that she was nasty towards me, but towards my closest friend. That’s when I got turned off and decided not to pursue her. ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 10:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-asian-guy-looking-to-win-the-heart-of-a-friend-or-out-of-the-friendzone-m-23/66614/5 "2016-11-17T10:26:53Z")
Then I guess, you have to show LA that that part of your life with PA is over and you are seriously into her now. Mones plus attention and time for LA will work. 🙂