# Hello from a relative newbie **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [May 9, 2012, 3:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-from-a-relative-newbie/55549 "2012-05-09T15:35:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![JimmyLS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e56c9b/32.png) [@JimmyLS](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JimmyLS)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 3:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-from-a-relative-newbie/55549/1 "2012-05-09T15:35:42Z")
Hi everyone, I’m a 41 year old professional male from the UK. I’m interested in many of the different possibilities promised by [pheromones](https://a314.com/) and in particular those available here through Androtics. I’ve been dabbling with pheros on and off over the last few years, with largely over-hyped and under-delivering brands which I’ll spare the embarrassment (both to them as well as myself) of listing! I came across this site some months ago and placed my 1st order of A314, Ammo (which I’ve not had much occasion to use and still have an almost full bottle) a 2x IS (which I love) and a travel TUTH. I recently finished my first bottle of A314 and have mixed feelings about the product. I can’t in all honesty say I noticed anything specific which I could definitely point to as a direct positive result of wearing it, but nonetheless I got used to applying my morning 3 drops before going to work (accompanied with 1 spray of IS - which I found pleasant even if again no evidence of any positive effect on anyone else). So despite no overwhelming evidence of positive effect I now find I miss using it and want to try again and can see myself becoming a regular customer and making this part of my daily routine - despite the rather hefty price tag -I guess in the hope that it will gain me more respect and success in the workplace and maybe even that much needed promotion! I have some questions which I’d be grateful for any advice from you experienced mones gurus out there: I started with 2 drops of A314 -one on the wrists rubbed together and one along the jawline but noticed nothing so increased to 3 drops with 1 drop on each side of the jawline from behind the ears. Again, nothing specific noticed - do you think I should possible increase to 4-5drops or even more (although I’m concerned that this might become unaffordable and overwhelming?) I’ve read that it’s not advisable to use TUTH for work/daytime but that this might be ok for over 40s (I’m almost 42). What do you therefore think of the daily morning application combination of A314/IS (x2) and TUTH (and should this always be 1 spray of the standard strength TUTH or could I get away/benefit from 1 spray of extra strength given my age? Finally, I just want to check that it’s ok to also wear regular cologne (I like to wear something light such as Aqua di parma for daytime and Tere D’hermes in the evening ) Best wishes, Jimmy Losanto ---
**Author:** ![sheenis-envy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c57346/32.png) [@sheenis-envy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sheenis-envy)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 3:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-from-a-relative-newbie/55549/2 "2012-05-09T15:44:18Z")
Welcome to the board Jimmy, you could probably still qualify for the $25 Gift Card toward your next order. Sorry to hear about your poor experience with A314. I’m just in the initial phases of testing it out. I got a to-go bottle and I’m pretty impressed with the early results. I’ve been using 2 sprays and I’ve been noticing people treating me with more respect, especially people noticeably listening to my opinions on things. Next order I’m going to get the oil based version. Maybe you need to up your dose a bit, I’ve read some posts where people wear 6 drops. As for your [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/), I would start testing that out with your IS. That is and always has been my favorite combo. I now just add different products to it depending on the situation. I’m having great results adding P83 to it. TUTH is very sexual and most report having good results using it with people they are already intimate with. I’ve had success picking up Brazilian women with it. It’s a solid product. And you can wear regular cologne with any of the products, it won’t cause any problems. Feel free to ask any other questions. Welcome again and good luck… ---
**Author:** ![JimmyLS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e56c9b/32.png) [@JimmyLS](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JimmyLS)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 3:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-from-a-relative-newbie/55549/3 "2012-05-09T15:55:19Z")
> [@sheenis-envy](#): > > Welcome to the board Jimmy, you could probably still qualify for the $25 Gift Card toward your next order. Sorry to hear about your poor experience with A314. I’m just in the initial phases of testing it out. I got a to-go bottle and I’m pretty impressed with the early results. I’ve been using 2 sprays and I’ve been noticing people treating me with more respect, especially people noticeably listening to my opinions on things. Next order I’m going to get the oil based version. Maybe you need to up your dose a bit, I’ve read some posts where people wear 6 drops. > > As for your Ammo, I would start testing that out with your IS. That is and always has been my favorite combo. I now just add different products to it depending on the situation. I’m having great results adding P83 to it. TUTH is very sexual and most report having good results using it with people they are already intimate with. I’ve had success picking up Brazilian women with it. It’s a solid product. And you can wear regular cologne with any of the products, it won’t cause any problems. Feel free to ask any other questions. Welcome again and good luck… Many thanks for your prompt and very encouraging reply Sheenis-envy. Perhaps I’m being too hard on myself and the A314 and that the results are there (but too subtle for me to have noticed yet) or that I would benefit from upping the dosage when I get my second order (for which I hope you’re right and that the $25 voucher will still apply as the A314 sure does make it’s mark on the wallet!). Thanks also for the Ammo/IS combo - will definitely try that out. Afraid I’m not familiar with P83? Best, Jimmy ---
**Author:** ![sheenis-envy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c57346/32.png) [@sheenis-envy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sheenis-envy)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 4:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-from-a-relative-newbie/55549/4 "2012-05-09T16:05:36Z")
> [@JimmyLS](#): > > Many thanks for your prompt and very encouraging reply Sheenis-envy. Perhaps I’m being too hard on myself and the A314 and that the results are there (but too subtle for me to have noticed yet) or that I would benefit from upping the dosage when I get my second order (for which I hope you’re right and that the $25 voucher will still apply as the A314 sure does make it’s mark on the wallet!). Thanks also for the Ammo/IS combo - will definitely try that out. Afraid I’m not familiar with P83? > Best, > Jimmy Jimmy, just use the search function on the Men’s [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) discussion forum. The amount of information you can find there is unbelievable. I get best results by doing the advanced search and search the thread title only. I have a thread on the front page right now about my early testing with P83. Just do as much research as you can before you make your next purchase. And I’m sure they’ll give you the $25 GC towards your next purchase, the people that run this place are amazing… ---
**Author:** ![JimmyLS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e56c9b/32.png) [@JimmyLS](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JimmyLS)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 9:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-from-a-relative-newbie/55549/5 "2012-05-10T09:43:53Z")
> [@sheenis-envy](#): > > Jimmy, just use the search function on the Men’s pheromone discussion forum. The amount of information you can find there is unbelievable. I get best results by doing the advanced search and search the thread title only. I have a thread on the front page right now about my early testing with P83. Just do as much research as you can before you make your next purchase. And I’m sure they’ll give you the $25 GC towards your next purchase, the people that run this place are amazing… Cheers Buddy - I enjoyed reading your take on the [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/), sounds like an awesome product (strange it’s not featured more prominently on the site?) and am sure will make a valuable addition to my next order! ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 10:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-from-a-relative-newbie/55549/6 "2012-05-10T10:38:30Z")
> [@JimmyLS](#): > > I recently finished my first bottle of A314 and have mixed feelings about the product. I can’t in all honesty say I noticed anything specific which I could definitely point to as a direct positive result of wearing it, but nonetheless I got used to applying my morning 3 drops before going to work (accompanied with 1 spray of IS - which I found pleasant even if again no evidence of any positive effect on anyone else). > > I’ve read that it’s not advisable to use TUTH for work/daytime but that this might be ok for over 40s (I’m almost 42). What do you therefore think of the daily morning application combination of A314/IS (x2) and TUTH (and should this always be 1 spray of the standard strength TUTH or could I get away/benefit from 1 spray of extra strength given my age? A314 oil at work does creep-up on you like that - My success with it has built steadilly over the last couple of years - to the point where my jaw regularly hits the floor at the jobs I’m now getting. Also, I have got every funding and staffing requirement that I have asked for in the same period - And that is a surprise in my place! 🙂 Keep-on with the sweet spotting, it can take significantly longer to get the hang of oil-base compared to other pheros, the effects are often so subtle and repeated exposure does play a part too - My workday dose is 2-3 drops but there are times and situations where I can usefully go higher and/or steer the A314 with other pheros eg IH/P74 for specific effects. I’d still say to lay-off the TUTH at work. OK, I will occasionally wear a spray on a quiet day just to see what I can stir-up but overall, it can create a very unhelpful/unprofessional vibe, get people’s backs-up or disturb people. Other products like Ammo are far more suitable as they are better balanced. Equally, I would also suggest keeping the P83 for after work unless your job gives you the opportunity to make good use of its space-reducing/touchy-feely properties. Not all do TUTH/A314 in pubs/clubs and dating - at our age - **OH YES!** 😃 This is a superb high-status and unashamedly sexual mix that I find works very well with women from their mid 30s-up. Older/more mature women do tend to be much more comfortable and better attuned to its very overt sexual/status feel - Going high on the A314 is good here as you need a lot of impact in a short time and you don’t need a lot of TUTH to make that impression very sexual indeed. I generally only need one spray of 2x. And this is the time to use P83 too - although you don’t really want to clutter/confuse/weaken this superb mix with too many additional pheros, although P83 will not do that. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![JimmyLS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e56c9b/32.png) [@JimmyLS](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JimmyLS)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 2:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-from-a-relative-newbie/55549/7 "2012-05-10T14:02:34Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > A314 oil at work does creep-up on you like that - My success with it has built steadilly over the last couple of years - to the point where my jaw regularly hits the floor at the jobs I’m now getting. > > Also, I have got every funding and staffing requirement that I have asked for in the same period - And that is a surprise in my place! 🙂 > > Keep-on with the sweet spotting, it can take significantly longer to get the hang of oil-base compared to other pheros, the effects are often so subtle and repeated exposure does play a part too - My workday dose is 2-3 drops but there are times and situations where I can usefully go higher and/or steer the A314 with other pheros eg IH/P74 for specific effects. > > I’d still say to lay-off the TUTH at work. OK, I will occasionally wear a spray on a quiet day just to see what I can stir-up but overall, it can create a very unhelpful/unprofessional vibe, get people’s backs-up or disturb people. Other products like Ammo are far more suitable as they are better balanced. Equally, I would also suggest keeping the P83 for after work unless your job gives you the opportunity to make good use of its space-reducing/touchy-feely properties. Not all do > > TUTH/A314 in pubs/clubs and dating - at our age - **OH YES!** 😃 > This is a superb high-status and unashamedly sexual mix that I find works very well with women from their mid 30s-up. Older/more mature women do tend to be much more comfortable and better attuned to its very overt sexual/status feel - Going high on the A314 is good here as you need a lot of impact in a short time and you don’t need a lot of TUTH to make that impression very sexual indeed. I generally only need one spray of 2x. And this is the time to use P83 too - although you don’t really want to clutter/confuse/weaken this superb mix with too many additional pheros, although P83 will not do that. 🙂 Cheers for responding and for the advice Mobocaster, much appreciated. I’m definitely going to persevere with the A314 and will lay off the TUTH in daytime - I always had my reservations about this but you’ve definitely given me a better steer on this now! Encouraging also to hear your endorsement for the [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) (which I’d not even heard of until yesterday) as part of that dusk-party time mix! It seems that there are way more options, combinations and possibilities than I ever imagined - now all I need is a little lottery win to try them all!😃 Thanks again, Jimmy ---
**Author:** ![Kelsey](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kelsey/32/8468_2.png) [@Kelsey](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kelsey)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 2:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-from-a-relative-newbie/55549/8 "2012-05-10T14:17:46Z")
Welcome Jimmy, Looks like you received all the advise and recommendations you need. Awesome intro, I can’t wait for you to start sharing your stories with us. _ **Your gc was issued!** _ ---
**Author:** ![JimmyLS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e56c9b/32.png) [@JimmyLS](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JimmyLS)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 2:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-from-a-relative-newbie/55549/9 "2012-05-10T14:28:54Z")
> [@kelsey](#): > > Welcome Jimmy, > > Looks like you received all the advise and recommendations you need. > > Awesome intro, I can’t wait for you to start sharing your stories with us. > > _ **Your gc was issued!** _ Thanks Mickaelia - it’s true, you really are a sweetheart!🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 8:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-from-a-relative-newbie/55549/10 "2012-05-10T20:15:09Z")
Hello Jimmy and welcome to the fourm. I am little older that you so here are my thoughts: Do not wear TUTH to work, even if you buffer it with Ishine. You will become the pervy horn dog to the ladies - espcially the younger ones. I am not sure what you were exaclty looking for with the a314 or how you matched yourself to it. A314 can generate a lot of respect. But some guys say i did not see any results - people were not talking to me. A314 can generate respect - not necessarily conversation. In fact with less alpha people it does just the opposite. It creats what I call respect distance. People give you room. the other issue here is congruence. That means you behavior matches the vibe you pheromones are giving off. A314 is an alpha leader kind of vibe. Did you act like a leader at work when you wore it? If not, then people will disregard the pheromone and cue of your behavior. Ammo & A314 is a great evening combination. Bars, etc. Maybe even clubs, but maybe not so much if you hit a club with a lot of younger 20 somethings. If you hit the clubs with TUTH definitely buffer it with IShine. TUTH can have a very raw sexual message that women pick up on and can often scare away as many as you might attract. The Ishine will not make the message less sexual but it will make it seem more friendly. ---
**Author:** ![JimmyLS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e56c9b/32.png) [@JimmyLS](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JimmyLS)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 10:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-from-a-relative-newbie/55549/11 "2012-05-11T10:09:14Z")
> [@bosshank](#): > > Hello Jimmy and welcome to the fourm. > > I am little older that you so here are my thoughts: > > Do not wear TUTH to work, even if you buffer it with Ishine. You will become the pervy horn dog to the ladies - espcially the younger ones. > > I am not sure what you were exaclty looking for with the a314 or how you matched yourself to it. A314 can generate a lot of respect. But some guys say i did not see any results - people were not talking to me. A314 can generate respect - not necessarily conversation. In fact with less alpha people it does just the opposite. It creats what I call respect distance. People give you room. > > the other issue here is congruence. That means you behavior matches the vibe you pheromones are giving off. A314 is an alpha leader kind of vibe. Did you act like a leader at work when you wore it? If not, then people will disregard the pheromone and cue of your behavior. > > Ammo & A314 is a great evening combination. Bars, etc. Maybe even clubs, but maybe not so much if you hit a club with a lot of younger 20 somethings. > > If you hit the clubs with TUTH definitely buffer it with IShine. TUTH can have a very raw sexual message that women pick up on and can often scare away as many as you might attract. The Ishine will not make the message less sexual but it will make it seem more friendly. Thanks Bosshank - and indeed thank you all for the much appreciated replies and advice! I’ve just today placed a long-overdue new order including A314 (oil) +A314A (to go), IS (x2 30ml + to go), TUTH (togo - larger size was out of stock - DOH!) and a [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) (20mg) as I’m intruiged about this product having read through the forum about it some . Look forward to receiving my order and getting to work on the adventure(s) ahead.🙂 Am going to take it easy first couple of weeks trying to establish my sweet spot with the A314 alone during day time, adding the IS in due course ( a combination I already like) and then experimenting with the others at night (I imagine still with a A314/IS base layer) and rest assured I get the message loud & clear re no TUTH at work - a “pervy horn dog” label I can certainly do without!!!😮 Take care guys and a fun weekend to one and all 😃 JImmy