# Hello from England **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [January 17, 2013, 2:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-from-england/57881 "2013-01-17T14:39:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mcjb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@mcjb](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mcjb)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2013, 2:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-from-england/57881/1 "2013-01-17T14:39:29Z")
Hi forum Im jon How is everyone doing; I posted this on the main forum, but no one seems to have an answer so I thought introduce myself and here and also post my questions. So I’m Jon 31 years old, in need to attract someone back and stumbled across [pheromones](https://a314.com/), you could say im a bit of a skeptic as I’ve never used anything like this, I would like to be turned into a true a believer. Form reading around I understand and correct me if I am wrong, but pheromones work differently on different races and ages. for me the person I would like back is 37 and is on Indian decent, that is not native american, but Indian from India. The question I posted on the main forum is below; I would like to pick the collective brains of the forum user if I may. I’m interested in purchasing two pheromones, one being liquid trust and that other being Max Attraction gold, i was wondering, and I’ve been trying to find that answer for this for a while, but would it be possible to mix these two pheromones and use them together. I say this because in my mind trust and attraction kind of go hand in hand, however I don’t want the purchase them and use them together and find out that they conflict. So if anyone could please answer me this question I would be very much grateful. I look forward to your response(s) and thank you in advance. Also I’ve seen this thing called instant honesty and instant openness are they the same as liquid trust. Please could someone help me, as I would really like to start my pheromones journey and everyone here is more experienced then myself in this field so in reality I am relaying on experts to help me out. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2013, 3:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-from-england/57881/2 "2013-01-17T15:54:31Z")
Ok, after seeing your other thread, I suggest you look at [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/), A314, IH, P74 and TUTH. Also the non AD product NPA, which is a potent sexual but far more manageable than MAG. Personally, I’ve found the A314/IH/P74 combo with or without a sexual to be excellent around Indian women. Excellent to the point of being stalked! TUTH or NPA have been my most used sexuals here but Ammo is viable. ---
**Author:** ![mcjb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@mcjb](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mcjb)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 5:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-from-england/57881/3 "2013-01-18T05:32:23Z")
Thank you for your reply mobocaster, is it safe to say that using Instant Honest and turn up the heat together would be a good combination. If so what strentght of turn up the heat should I order. Also using these products does it make a differance if one has had sex with someone he/she is chasing. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 5:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-from-england/57881/4 "2013-01-18T05:38:16Z")
IH and TUTH are pretty good together but if I’m going that way I will have some [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) in there as well. The IS adds a happy/feelgood layer that helps offset potential negatives of TUTH and IH/IS together is a very good quality conversation and engaging vibe - the sort of mix that will help draw her into you emotionally and have her sharing all her “little secrets” and fantasies whilst loving every moment of it. 🙂 I would usually suggest you stick with the 1x TUTH initially, until you find your effective dose around her, then if the number of sprays work out, 2x can be an effective economy measure. At 31, you are just into the age range where the 2x becomes viable for general use but with her being 37, she is likely to be more responsive to a higher/more overt dose but be careful and start with just one spray around her if you go for the 2x. IO and IH are not the same as Liquid Trust - Instead of Oxytocin, they are based on Androstenols, which are proven and reliable social pheros. IO is roughly 70/30 Alpha and Beta-Androstenol, whilst IH is 70/30 the other way - Beta-Nol/Alpha-Nol (plus undisclosed steering). IO is a more general bubbly/chatty/bright feel - its only drawback is that IO can promote very shallow and babbling chat. IH is a deeper, more close/bonding/trusting/sharing and connecting feel but if steered with IS, it avoids the IH tendency to go deep (do not let her pour all her troubles on to you - a real passion killer!) and becomes a better quality and more mature alternative to IO. Both will moderate the raw sexuality of TUTH nicely. Yes, if you have already had sex with someone, you will find it easier to integrate TUTH into your phero sig. She is already used to arousal around you and hopefully a lot more comfortable with her feelings and your being more sexual around her. If she has not had sex with you, suddenly introducing an overt sexual like TUTH can cause her to become uncomfortable with her “unexplained” arousal/reactions to you and draw back or get a bit narky to you (this is also why social mones help smooth matters a lot!). Also, if you know her cycle, do try to avoid or reduce TUTH (or any androstenone) use around her - women on their periods are often rather unresponsive to TUTH (or androstenone in general) so again it can work against you. If you don’t know her cycle I suggest you look discretely for the signs - pads/tampons in her bag/pockets, more frequent visits to the toilet, shorter temper etc (don’t blurt out “are you on the blob dear”! 😮 ). IH and IH/IS will still serve you very well at these times though as they don’t contain androstenone and are somewhat comforting/mood lifting. ---
**Author:** ![Kelsey](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kelsey/32/8468_2.png) [@Kelsey](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kelsey)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 1:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-from-england/57881/5 "2013-01-18T13:36:12Z")
Welcome MC, I couldn’t be happier that mobocaster answered your thread because you went into some products I don’t know about and being so advanced and skilled in the art he nailed it on the head as usual. We were all skeptics at start but that just means you won’t fall for anything **Your gc was issued!** ---
**Author:** ![mcjb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@mcjb](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mcjb)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2013, 5:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-from-england/57881/6 "2013-01-18T17:52:59Z")
mobocaster you sir are a true expert in this field. I have had sex with her a few times so from what you have I imagine tuth is a good one to use. Just so that I understand in regards to usage; TUTH - 2 Sprays, when that is the case does that mean one on each side of the neck. Also with TUTH I have seen that is comes in two strengths 2.5 and 5, I would imagine that as I am a beginner I should go with the 2.5; please advise. Also IH/IS are these 2 spray each as well. Regarding these two from my limited knowledge I understand that these should be used on the wrist and elbows. Here also IS comes in single and double strength which one should I go for again please advise. To summarise, I suppose what I am asking is what strength should I go for with TUTH and IS also where I should spray them and lastly 2 sprays is that each side of neck regarding TUTH. I look forward to you response you have been extremely helpful so far. P.S. - I hope these do not have an effect on female family members. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2013, 10:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-from-england/57881/7 "2013-01-19T10:34:36Z")
It is a bit difficult to judge dose just like that. Various factors affect it, notably your own body chemistry and the sort of social situation you re in - ie a hefty dose of TUTH may not go down well in polite company but in a club or uninhibited one-on-one, it can be very different. I would probably suggest you start with just one spray and build-up till you find the dose that works best around her. Yes, the 1x TUTH is the 2,5mcg and the 2x - 5mcg dose. Its difficult to say what would be best as you are just into the range where 2x becomes more widely viable but she is in the age range that can respond to the higher doses - on balance, I would think starting with the 1x best, you can always go up-strength once you have your dose around her. TUTH and all the Instants are in a light [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/) (orange blossom) scent that settles light after a few minutes, and complements most colognes well, so quite number of sprays are easy enough to handle. **But** if you often meet her in uninhibited/determinedly sexual environments, then the 2x might well be better as you can often get away with more none compared to polite/sedate environments. Socials are a less of a problem for OD and you seldom use just one spray of any of them, so going for 2x from the off is quite viable, for economy as much as anything. Your app points are broadly right - none products seem to do best around the neck/throat and socials on the wrists/forearms etc - think hoe a sexual interaction builds as you draw closer to each other. You want the greatest none impact when she is right-up close to you. Personally I don’t find elbows very good as the skin is more easily irritated - a legacy of childhood eczema for me. However, I will often mix them up a bit by having a small portion of my sexual at the extremities and similarly, a small part of my social mix to the centre. See the Application Points 101 sticky in Mens for a whole lot more ideas but don’t get too hung-up on exact placing as sprays can be layered over each other without problem and if your chosen point has good circulation and is open to diffuse, all is good. Each side of neck is good for TUTH and I’ve often noticed a woman paying particular attention to its app points in bed. For that reason,a spray on your lower stomach can also be very interesting but don’t go too low as the hair, warmth and common bacteria that are more common on your groin can speed mone breakdown greatly, which can lead to a "what died down there? reaction! Mones will affect people around you to some degree but it is most unlikely that a female family member will suddenly change the response of a lifetime and start seeing you sexually. They may however get the grumpy/competitive/aggressive negatives of none but again, the socials will ease that a lot. ---
**Author:** ![mcjb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@mcjb](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mcjb)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2013, 12:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-from-england/57881/8 "2013-01-21T12:22:49Z")
mobocaster thank you very much for helping me so far and the knowledge you are giving me is priceless. I think I am going to give this ago, I’m going to get my friend to order them for me as I’m a little broke at the minute 😮 Just a few more question if you don’t mind mobocaster, the questions my seem silly but I really don’t want to mess this up. In regards to TUTH i take it a polite/sedate environments would be her office, there I should use one spray on each side of my neck and then social on the relevant app points. However if I am meeting her at her house or on an one on one basis then two spray on each side of the neck would be better. Is the above correct? Also when I meet her at her office, and say the TUTH works, but she resists will she then later on be thinking about that fact that she wanted to have sex with me or does that not happen. In regards to family - what does this mean - They may however get the grumpy/competitive/aggressive negatives of none ? Also just to confirm the shopping list; Bottle of TUTH - 2.5 Bottle of IS - Regular Strength Bottle of IH - Why is this one so expensive? Have I got this correct. I will take your advice on this are all three of the above needed, or could I get away with using just TUTH and IS? However like I have said before I want to get this right and not mess it up so if all three are needed than that is fine, please advice. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2013, 6:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-from-england/57881/9 "2013-01-22T06:28:08Z")
> [@mcjb](#): > > In regards to TUTH i take it a polite/sedate environments would be her office, there I should use one spray on each side of my neck and then social on the relevant app points. > > However if I am meeting her at her house or on an one on one basis then two spray on each side of the neck would be better. > > Is the above correct? > > Also when I meet her at her office, and say the TUTH works, but she resists will she then later on be thinking about that fact that she wanted to have sex with me or does that not happen. > > In regards to family - what does this mean - They may however get the grumpy/competitive/aggressive negatives of none ? > > or could I get away with using just TUTH and IS? Yes, an office would be very much polite/sedate - I would tend to avoid using TUTH there at all - or just use it in the smallest quantity to develop an impression of underlying sexuality. TBH, workplaces are about the most difficult places to use overt products like TUTH effectively, so don’t go in with two sprays from the off - increase the dose when you get to more social/sexual territory, one spray at a time till you have a better idea of how she responds. Personally, IH/IS would be good all on its own there and use it to build interest/connection to “enhance” later with TUTH. Your App points are good. Yes, none has a good and bad side - people can get aggressive, competitve, argumentative, be scared of you or just ignore you altogether and this is most likely a response you will get from people who have absolutely no sexual interest or attraction to you whatsoever. And it can take family/close friends a little while to get used to you with a new phero sig, so be careful - a little will help things adjust but don’t be surprised if they act bit strange for a while. She might but don’t assume a woman’s response to unfulfilled/unexpected arousal will always be positive - It can very much go either way, so better to work towards “the moment” and the IH in the mix is good to help you get the connection for that to happen. And too much time spent wearing arousal mixes without making use of them will lose most of any effectiveness they may have had originally. TUTH and IS can work well together but that is really a balls-out club/party mix - keep it for the wildest/raunchiest/most fun-packed times. About the price rises, - read this: > [@The Future of Pheromone Technology: The Golden 13 Molecules.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-future-of-pheromone-technology-the-golden-13-molecules/54034): > > Hello Folks. The future of pheromone technology. Mighty molecules with incredible effects. Innovative formulas. Repeatable results. Sustainable production. We can have all of this. If we focus on THIRTEEN GOLDEN molecules. Read on to get the backstory. Or just scroll to the bottom so you know which ten we’re talking about. These are the molecules we’ve invested in for the future. These are the molecules we have figured out how to make sustainably. Every one of them is a Pure Lab Standard,… ---
**Author:** ![mcjb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@mcjb](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mcjb)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2013, 2:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-from-england/57881/10 "2013-01-22T14:30:18Z")
mobocaster thank you so much for your input and advice it has been great. I think I will order TUTH, IH and IS, I think when I see her at her office on a one and one situation Ill use all three together. The reason I say this is because we have had sex in her office on more than one occasion. However when there are people there I will use IH and IS, I don’t really like to assume so I will ask this, however stupid it may seem, but using IH and IS together will it get her thinking about me when I’m not there. I think that is the last question, I can think off for the time being. Once I have purchased these items, and tried them out I’ll make sure I give feedback. ---
**Author:** ![mcjb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@mcjb](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mcjb)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2013, 3:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-from-england/57881/11 "2013-01-29T15:29:11Z")
Hi mobocaster, just a quick note, my buddy has ordered the products for me, TUTH, IH, IS, they should be with me soon hopefully, Im pretty excited yet still a bit skeptical, I suppose the skepticism is down to the cost and never having used anything like this before. I went with the single strength TUTH as is recommended I hope that is right one, with the IS I went for the double strength one. As you know IH come in one strength. If I could ask, what is your opinion on Alpha A314 and Ammunition?