# Hello from Sweden! Putatives?

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**Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\
**Created:** [November 2, 2013, 3:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-from-sweden-putatives/60408 "2013-11-02T03:24:58Z")\
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**Author:** ![empan920](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/439d5e/32.png) [@empan920](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empan920)\
**Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 3:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-from-sweden-putatives/60408/5 "2013-11-02T15:07:13Z")

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> [@mobocaster](#):
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> P75/P79 could be a very nasty combo if you don’t moderate it very well with a lot of socials, SOE would actually suit it quite well. P75 on a direct/no-nonsense personality can appear more than a little severe/brusque.
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> Personally I would suggest getting to grips with P75 first at a low dose - no more than 2.5mcg spray first, then exploring P79 in other combos as it can be very hit or miss and can amplify all the bad aspects of a mix as well as the good. Then, once you have the hang of P75 mixes, start experimenting with P79, carefully.
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> P83 will do you well in many mixes but you should think of it as a secondary/steering product. Used as a primary, it is apt to underwhelm but its transformed into one of the most useful pheros when you have a mix and situation that can make good use of its properties.
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> Another one to consider is MX297 - A brilliant social/engaging mix that will moderate and complement P75 very well, especially around younger and Asian women who tend to do less well with overt sexuals. And in a similar vein, P91 is a more chilled-out social/engaging phero that looks like it might be more useful to moderate P75 in school/work environments.

I will take this about 75 and 79 into consideration, as it does sound like good advice haha. Did some reading up on [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) and got to say it sounds promising, except for it being available only in 5ml. Get a feeling it wouldn’t last me long and I’d rather start out with something more “bang for my buck” in terms of how long it will last me. If p75’s self effects (assuming they are positive for me, can’t know for sure until I’ve tried) can cancel out the anxiety I get from SoE then that would make me one happy swede I suppose. Will look into some info about p91 soon as well. Thanks for the advice!

> [@kelsey](#):
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> Welcome empan,
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> This is a super informal and not so tailored response if you will.
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> I would luuuuuuuv to spend more time assisting you especially since you are a newbie.
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> We are short staffed and these gift certificates are done manually.
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> It takes a great deal and I am back logged.
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> I am hoping that when I catch up on my work, I can start answering these intro threads the way I use to
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> In fact, I am hoping that soon, someone more experienced than me can come in so I get to do what I am great at, customer service.
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> Thank you for giving pheromones a chance.
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> Your gc was issued!

Got the email, appreciated it! Any answer works for me.

> [@ryanmercer](#):
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> Hello and welcome to the forums, you seem well read. You can use putatives as a newbie, it’s just not advised. Personally I didn’t let that stop me. As far as p83 I love it, it lives up to it’s claims, p75, p75 and p79 I can however not comment on.
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> The three you already have I’m unfamiliar with, in the past year I’ve only used Androtics’ products and absolutely love them. Since you are looking for an overall improvement, I recommend Instant Gentleman and Instant Shine. This is my absolute favorite combo, I’ll wear it to Church, to work, to coffeehouse dates, to first dates etc. I just love it, it gives me a Bond, James Bond type feeling.

Thanks, I feel very welcome after these quick replies 😉. Really a shame p84 is out of stock for my first order, I clearly see potential in this one to remove physical barriers and make people act congruently to their wants, including myself. From what I’ve read about IG I could really appreciate it’s self effects of warm confidence, although the self effects of p75 sound more congruent for me. Wonder how the self effects of the 2 of them would combine.  
IS sounds good but i hear quite often how it makes you feel worn out afterwards which is something I dont like, especially if it’s anything like the lethargy i get from A1. All these socials are a djungle though until I get a chance to try each of them for myself.

Tried SOE today for a dinner with relatives and was in a good self amused mood, smiling to myself and thinking amusing thoughts, before applying it. But it does not agree with me. It killed my good emotions after a few minutes and an anxious hyperfocused state replaced it. It made me want to avert eye contact and a little bit more self-conscious about the things I would normally say naturally without hesitation. It did effect my rather withdrawn step-dad though and my Mum. He was a bit more talkative and positive then usual, and my Mum also very positive and clearly wanted a conversation with me, which I did not due to those self-effects. Made me feel beta haha, even if others didn’t necessarily view me as that.

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