# Hello, Heaven-o **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [November 8, 2008, 6:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-heaven-o/22650 "2008-11-08T06:09:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Chromebody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Chromebody](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Chromebody)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 6:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-heaven-o/22650/1 "2008-11-08T06:09:06Z")
Hello, I’m Christian from sunny Ventura, CA. I’m a 26 year old male trying to get back into the dating scene. It’s funny how much one forgets about dating & applies the wrong rules after being in a long term relationship for a while. I feel like I need a boost to kickstart my interactions with women. I’m having a difficult time reading cues/body language to gauge female response to friendly, lighthearted banter. Some things are helping with confidence, including mental exercises such as reframing from neurolinguistic programming, but progress is going slowly. Health science fascinates me, though I’ll admit that the potential social effects of [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) intrigue me even more. A friend & I tried them back in high school & had women initiate dialogue with us who had never conversed with us before. I’ve always wondered about their effectiveness- whether it was a placebo effect that triggered greater confidence, which itself is attractive. I look forward to learning more about pheremones, which ones work best to help boost confidence/elicit that extra second of attention, & how to correlate this information to knowledge acquired from other fields. Thanks for letting me join this group. ---
**Author:** ![Vespero](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vespero/32/988_2.png) [@Vespero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vespero)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 6:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-heaven-o/22650/2 "2008-11-08T06:30:52Z")
Welcome to Pherotalk, Christian. I know what you mean about forgetting the rules of dating after a long-term relationship, as I’m just now getting over those problems. It’s great that you take a genuine interest in pheromones and health science. If you really want to know how they work and how they can be used, you aren’t afraid to push the limits on what can be done with them. That’s the kind of person we need to report on this forum, though all reporting is welcome. It was most likely a combination of greater confidence from a placebo effect and the actual pheromones doing their work. As for products, you might try Ammo to start off. Many women find it irresistible, and it draws attention to you, creating a slight sexual air. The actual pheromones, along with the aforementioned placebo affect, may also improve your self-confidence at the crucial moment. You might also try [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) with the Ammo, which creates a sort of youthful, vibrant energy around you, which can be very attractive. A lot of this depends on what kind of woman you’re looking for, and where you’re looking. Where do you plan to use the pheros? Do you have any particular targets, or are you just looking in general? ---
**Author:** ![Chromebody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Chromebody](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Chromebody)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 6:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-heaven-o/22650/3 "2008-11-08T06:54:31Z")
Vespero, thank you for the quick response. Ammo & [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) have now populated my list of “arms” 🙂 These products sound like they would be compatible with my goal. I’m trying to acquire a new circle of female friends. I’m looking for smart, thoughtful females who are pleasant conversationalists. Short cuties are a plus. I frequent coffee shops & book stores on occasion. Do you think these products suit my efforts? ---
**Author:** ![Vespero](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vespero/32/988_2.png) [@Vespero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vespero)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 7:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-heaven-o/22650/4 "2008-11-08T07:04:22Z")
Hm. Those two should point you in the right direction, and you might also try either [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) or Instant Honesty. The first contains alpha-androstenol, which tends to make people chatty, but usually this causes lots of small talk and less meaninful conversation. The second contains beta-androstenol, and will also make people talk more, but the conversation will be more personal and meaningful. It really depends on how you think you could best find the right sort of girls given the options. Properly buffered A314 could also possibly work here, though I’m rather hesitant to suggest it, as I’ve never used it and it can be difficut to work with. It is at once very powerful and very subtle. Someone more experienced could probably let you know about that. I don’t really know what pheromones to recommend to pick up short cuties. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Chromebody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Chromebody](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Chromebody)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 7:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-heaven-o/22650/5 "2008-11-08T07:20:01Z")
Profound conversation is more up my alley. A greater number of deep statements per paragraph means one high quality conversation 🙂 As I rethink this, I realize that I have perhaps scared women off by trying to delve too deeply into their thought lives too soon. So I wonder if this would make women more amenable to such conversation upon first encounter (prior to a phone number), or whether it would be better used on the first or second date. Naming the active chemicals was a big help. I belong to a group that discusses testosterone related issues, & would like to study how the testosterone derivatives you mentioned might correspond to relative levels of testosterone. Men with higher testosterone tend to be more confident (all other things being equal), so perhaps they secrete more of these chemicals as well. Something worth exploring. ---
**Author:** ![Vespero](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vespero/32/988_2.png) [@Vespero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vespero)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 7:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-heaven-o/22650/6 "2008-11-08T07:31:14Z")
Yes, I much prefer the deeper coversation, but as you say, often, women are put off if you try to look closely at their thoughts too soon. You might try using the [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) to get them talking at first, then switch to Instant Honesty on the first or second date and get a little more personal, or you might just try the Instant Honesty from the beginning or after a while, but without ever trying the Instant Openness. Yes, I thought you might appreciate knowing the compound names. I know I was very glad to learn the names and more about the individual compounds when I first came to this forum. It made me feel knowledgeable and helpful towards others, as well as allowing me to better understand what was going on. ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 12:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-heaven-o/22650/7 "2008-11-08T12:33:40Z")
Hi Christian, Good to have you in Pherotalk 🙂 Welcome 😃 I see that Vespero have given some good advice as well as good recommendation of pheros to you there 🙂 He have given his phero recomendation which i have also thought in mind to recommend too so it is not necessary to give my recommendation now. But i will add a bit of info about the other pheros here that might interest you\> [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) for making girls feel calm & comfortable with you & TUTH & Instant Honesty which Vespero has recommended is great when you are in a relationship 🙂 Well i wish you all the best in testing the pheros when you received them & see you 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2008, 9:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-heaven-o/22650/8 "2008-11-09T09:21:03Z")
Hello Welcome to Pherotalk Christian 🙂 NLP is a fascinating subject, I am just getting into it myself. The reading of body language can be learned. The key to becoming good at it is to not do it only when your interacting with others but to practice reading when your outside of the interaction and watching others. It can be very enlightening when your own emotions are not involved in the exchange. There is a link to basic starters body language in my signature below. So can you tell us a bit about yourself and how you interact with others now ? Whats you personality like ? Whats you main objective for mone use ? Looking forward to your reply so I can send you a GC to get you started. Tisha